Did you actually watch the game?
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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Would have what, scored 5 goals from 3 shots ?
Scored four or five goals. We didn't have three shots, but please, carry on.
Your scoring imaginary goals from off target shots now too.
As you were then.
Having a chance that you should score does not necessarily require a shot on target.
A goal usually does though.
Find where Dumbstar or I have said otherwise.
You can't score 4-5 goals from just 3 shots on target mate, you had less of the possession 47.2% a shot accuracy of 30% Stoke's was 50% Stoke forced Mignolet into 3 saves whilst you only forced the keeper into 2 saves all this whilst being the home team.
You were lucky to get the 3 points never mind a five goal demolition if you ask me.
The shots off target support his point that it was the finishing that let them down. How is this not obvious?
Not sure about this being the only thing between them and a comfortable victory though, given that Stoke had more possession and a good number of shots themselves. Haven't watched the game though and stats don't always tell the whole story.
Why are you getting hung up on shots on target? Was Di Maria's miss against Arsenal not a scoring chance?
You only score goals if the shots on target (or deflected) that's the point.
Happy Wellbecking.
Exactly. And if their finishing had been better they would have had more shots on target. That's the point.
Have to agree with barney that shots on target aren't necessary for a goal scoring opportunity.
If your striker is through on goal and the defender / keeper makes a last ditch tackle nicking the ball of his toe just before he shoots
- i'd rate that as a goal scoring opportunity, probably wont be any obvious stats which would show that though
I didn't watch it anyway (should be obvious why) so i wont argue too much with the point
but a lot of the match reports aren't that complimentary really so im a bit sceptical that you could / should have beat them by 4/5 goals.
Sounded like a pretty boring game with a tense end that could have gone against either way
Having said that i think a lot of people are jumping the gun with sticking the boot in too much.
Still a long way to go and a lot of opportunities for them to make you eat your words (hopefully not)
If your striker is through on goal and the defender / keeper makes a last ditch tackle nicking the ball of his toe just before he shoots
- i'd rate that as a goal scoring opportunity, probably wont be any obvious stats which would show that though
I didn't watch it anyway (should be obvious why) so i wont argue too much with the point
but a lot of the match reports aren't that complimentary really so im a bit sceptical that you could / should have beat them by 4/5 goals.
Sounded like a pretty boring game with a tense end that could have gone against either way
Having said that i think a lot of people are jumping the gun with sticking the boot in too much.
Still a long way to go and a lot of opportunities for them to make you eat your words (hopefully not)
If your were black you would just be Pele.
Yea always a great point made with an if, if Gerrard hadn't slipped Liverpool would have won the league IF they had beaten Chelsea and Palace.
@caid here's the original point that's being argued don't get hauled with barneys deflections.
what are you talking about
Torres' miss against you lot a few years ago where he misses the open net is the example that first sprung into my mind. No shot on target, but it's a chance that you would expect anyone to score. There are a tonne of examples of similar things.
Boring first half, but both teams sprang to life in the second half. Stoke had a couple of decent attempts at goal (one which they hit the post with). We had a period of about 10-20 minutes where we created three or four chances too.
Behave.
Football.
You're not doing a very good job of it.
Your not shaping up so well yourself to be honest.
If the keeper had done his job today Wellbecks typically straight at the keeper header would not have been a goal. You can't base footballing debates on if's.
A chance is a chance but your not putting 4-5 goals past anyone IF your finishing is shite and if you have Lambert up front your not doing your odds any favours.
That's usually implied but no harm in having it in writing now and again.
If the debate is how many goals Liverpool would have scored with better finishing then yes, you can base debates on if.
The debate is that without Gerrard how many would Liverpool score, oddly the winning goal came with him on the pitch.
Where did gerrard play when he came on anyway?
He'd probably still be a pretty good 10 you'd think?
Maybe not one that mixes well with lambert or ballotelli but sturridge in front would be a decent combination probably.
I guess coutinho or sterling would still be better though
He'd probably still be a pretty good 10 you'd think?
Maybe not one that mixes well with lambert or ballotelli but sturridge in front would be a decent combination probably.
I guess coutinho or sterling would still be better though
Michael Carrick showed today exactly how you play the role that Gerrard would so love to have the brain for, sadly for Gerrard he's useless ! Useless to the point that Lucas Leiva is a more preferable option.
Anyone (e.g. Gasmanc) talking crap about the game today obviously hasn't seen it, so you can pretty much dismiss their opinion. I can understand it though since of course the United game was on at the same time and obviously those fans on this site will have been watching that match.
Fact is that in the 2nd half (after a totally impotent first half - by both teams) Liverpool completely dominated for the first 25 mins and still had the better of the next 15 mins too. As Barney said, we should have won this game going away .... our play was completely unrecognisable from the crap of the first half. There were more than enough chances to have buried Stoke, no matter how you calculate them, we simply lacked attackers with clinical finishing to end the match as a contest. It could easily, and probably should have been, 3 or 4 goals to nil.
The only reason the stats then took a swing in Stoke's favour was because Rodgers has lost his balls. As against Ludo, he drags off an attacker with 10 mins to go, throws on an extra defender and abdicates any attacking intent. We then suffered 3 mins of normal time and 7 mins of injury time (God knows where that came from because Johnson wasn't down anywhere near that) of Stoke throwing cross after cross into the box. Take a bow Rodgers, we survived in spite of your gutless substitution.
Fact is that in the 2nd half (after a totally impotent first half - by both teams) Liverpool completely dominated for the first 25 mins and still had the better of the next 15 mins too. As Barney said, we should have won this game going away .... our play was completely unrecognisable from the crap of the first half. There were more than enough chances to have buried Stoke, no matter how you calculate them, we simply lacked attackers with clinical finishing to end the match as a contest. It could easily, and probably should have been, 3 or 4 goals to nil.
The only reason the stats then took a swing in Stoke's favour was because Rodgers has lost his balls. As against Ludo, he drags off an attacker with 10 mins to go, throws on an extra defender and abdicates any attacking intent. We then suffered 3 mins of normal time and 7 mins of injury time (God knows where that came from because Johnson wasn't down anywhere near that) of Stoke throwing cross after cross into the box. Take a bow Rodgers, we survived in spite of your gutless substitution.
Oh ello another one that's becoming notorious invisible man unless they win has turned up.
Nope. I did come on here last week too, very briefly. However my wife has suffered a severe bout of sciatica so I've been cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing, shopping and helping her move around for most of the past 3 weeks.
Problem is Gerrard needs to learn to play like that and now.
He doesn't have the energy to be an all action, run a million miles, be everywhere at all times player any more.
He needs to be much smarter with his energy and posession. He needs to learn to slow his game down a bit because he cant keep up with it anymore.
The turnover of posession, hail mary passes are too risky for how much energy he has.
Same with positioning. He seems to be running or jogging constantly where you'd see pirlo or carrick just standing still or strolling around.
Hes always seemed like quite a manic player - I'd say its quite hard for him to adapt.
DM seems like the worst position for him
but his lack of energy will be a problem no matter where you put him unless he learns to conserve it better.
Has she a slipped disc ? suffered sciatic pain myself with 2 slipped discs or prolapses is the medical term, i do prefer the term slipped though especially in this environment.
You've just described a player with a great understanding of the game, a player like Scholes maybe, to play the position Gerrard has been asked you need a certain level of ability but above that a level of intelligence and Gerrard only has one of the two requirements.
It will never happen for him there.
She had an MRI and it shows deterioration of the tissue surrounding the lower three discs, which in turn causes them to protrude when stressed. 4 weeks rest now and then plenty of swimming later will help, but I'm very afraid for her that this is going to be regular occurrence.
She had an MRI and it shows deterioration of the tissue surrounding the lower three discs, which in turn causes them to protrude when stressed. 4 weeks rest now and then plenty of swimming later will help, but I'm very afraid for her that this is going to be regular occurrence.
Not to derail our abuse of Liverpool, but I imagine a good physiotherapist can help her manage the situation with strengthening and teaching her proper movement patterns to avoid irritating the nerve etc.
You're ruthless!
That's terrible, back pain is an absolute bollox, having been there myself I know just how bad it is, the pain is intolerable at times from sciatica, my thoughts and best wishes are with you and Mrs Raf.She had an MRI and it shows deterioration of the tissue surrounding the lower three discs, which in turn causes them to protrude when stressed. 4 weeks rest now and then plenty of swimming later will help, but I'm very afraid for her that this is going to be regular occurrence.
Hope you don't mind if I still rip the piss out of LFC though, because I will regardless
Pop in not knowing what on earth your talking about, so no surprise you've left with no comment.
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Pop in not knowing what on earth your talking about, so no surprise you've left with no comment.
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Or I just had better things to do than try to disagree with your bias in a Liverpool thread.
You could try and correct me, whilst my bias is seeing me so far up the wrong flagpole.
Off you go with that.