Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

So you've a better squad but without Suarez and with CL football :lol: OK
Your original argument that no pool supporter claimed Liverpool would make the step up is rubbished by Barney claiming they were going to win the league.
You personally thought the squad had improved but its just bigger, nobody but you and Barney has mentioned improving on 2nd either, establishing as a top four club would be a step up for Liverpool, unless your rewriting history based on one season.

I didn't claim we'd win the league. I claimed we'd finish second. The squad definitely has improved from last year, it's just we've lost a great player and our other great player is out injured. Where did I mention improving on second? You're chatting bollocks. I've said that there were people saying we should improve on second (I was not one of them). In the "Predict the league table" thread I said second behind Chelsea and that my friend, is a facht. Shades of Tomato said we'd finish first, I did not.
 
I didn't claim we'd win the league. I claimed we'd finish second. The squad definitely has improved from last year, it's just we've lost a great player and our other great player is out injured. Where did I mention improving on second? You're chatting bollocks. I've said that there were people saying we should improve on second (I was not one of them). In the "Predict the league table" thread I said second behind Chelsea and that my friend, is a facht. Shades of Tomato said we'd finish first, I did not.

We're still going to win the league.
Ok mate.

That quote was after the defeat to City earlier in the season or are you projecting that post to mean next year, or some time in the future maybe ?
 
Ok mate.

That quote was after the defeat to City earlier in the season or are you projecting that post to mean next year, or some time in the future maybe ?

No idea. Would have to read back to see if I was being sarcastic or whatever. I do know that at the start of the season I said we'd finish second.
 
No idea. Would have to read back to see if I was being sarcastic or whatever. I do know that at the start of the season I said we'd finish second.
Well its there in black and white, suppose I should have asked if you had realised you have to actually improve on 2nd to win the league. You might have been watching too many DVDs over the close season for all I know ;)
 
It could have been much much worse, I mean literally much much worse.
If you didn't find any comedy in the seasons end then banter is dead to you my man, but yes it was a ridiculously bad season by or standards, if you a want a positive then Moyes is gone, Gerrard slipped and threw the title away, it's not even like City won it in the end, it was handed to them on a plate just like their first Prem was.

I certainly didn't feel we had much to laugh about, it was the lesser of two evils watching the blue shite win it but I certainly wasn't celebrating like we'd achieved something ourselves.

I watched some of our fans celebrate Southampton's goal against us in our game at the end of last season, as they didn't want us to be in the Europa League. I never want to be in that position again, some of our fans cheering against us and cheering for City.

I said City bought the league when they beat us to it and I didn't respect their achievement, I'd have been a massive hypocrite to start celebrating their title last season.
 
Cabaye would be interesting. Would the 'pool fans on here be on board for him?
 
Cabaye would be interesting. Would the 'pool fans on here be on board for him?

I hope he doesn't go to Liverpool. He is not in the class of the Kroos' or the Modric's, but still an excellent midfielder. A cracking option for any team that is challenging for the top 4.
 
So you've a better squad but without Suarez and with CL football :lol: OK
Your original argument that no pool supporter claimed Liverpool would make the step up is rubbished by Barney claiming they were going to win the league.
You personally thought the squad had improved but its just bigger, nobody but you and Barney has mentioned improving on 2nd either, establishing as a top four club would be a step up for Liverpool, unless your rewriting history based on one season.
And there we have it. The King of Quotes probably spent more time than he should have trawling this thread trying to find a quote from me to contradict my 3/4/5 assertion or pre-season's predictions. But failing my challenge he reverts to deflection, again.
 
Than Flanagan? Yes he is. Manquillo has more upside, is better defensively and is better going forward. flanagan is a good option to have though.
Agreed. Though it's good to have both. Flanno is a better defensive FB and can play on both sides, whilst Manquillo is better all round (for me) and could turn into a very good attacking FB. He is very young and inexperienced.
 
More rumours that we want Mitrovic, Dele Alli and Cabaye on loan floating round the twitter.
Tons of rumours flying around - because it's obvious we need someone / sometwo. 20 y.o. Praet for €10m, Isco (why would he leave RM ? He's getting plenty of games), Standard Liege's 15-year-old Thibaud Verlinden, Ayew, Schurrle, Berahino, Huntelaar, Cavani, Pedro, Shaqiri, Reus (yeah right), Cruzeiro's Everton Ribeiro, Cabaye, Higuan, Kovacic (Inter), Ochoa from Malaga for €5m, Dzagoev (€20m release clause), Begovic, Carvalho, Doumbia, Martinez, Rodriguez (Wolfsburg), Neto (Fiorentina), Firmino, Montoya (RM) and of course Odegaard.

Bloody Hell !
 
I noticed this gem when I clicked back to see if Barney actually said that quote.
Well frankly I am offended you thought I would make that shit up. Not really
But yea that's a belter there from our resident arse, remember him posting that, might have to check back to make sure I green smiled it.
 
Didn't realise they were playing Chelsea at home followed by Palace away again. Hopefully a similar result.
 
This article by Tony Barett on the Liverpool situation is perfect.

For more than twenty years, the scenario has been the same. As soon as Liverpool encounter problems, they look to the transfer market for a solution only to end up creating new ones. If the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, an army of psychiatrists should head to Anfield in January for football’s bi-annual outbreak of lunacy.

Having spent £120 million on players in the summer but turned the second best team in the country into the kind of uninspiring mid-table fodder that they were sweeping aside with contemptuous ease last season, Liverpool have conspired to put themselves in a position in which new signings are seen as the panacea to all their ills. Demands for further spending are inevitable given what is at stake but they also fly in the face of prevailing logic. The last thing Liverpool should do in six weeks time is get involved in the January sales.

At some point, someone at the club has to call a halt to one of the most ill-advised sprees since pools winner Viv Nicholson famously vowed to “Spend, spend, spend” and order an audit of all of the signings that Liverpool have made since Brendan Rodgers. The review should begin with an appraisal of every recruit and their impact on the team but it should not stop there. Before Liverpool shell out another penny, their entire transfer strategy and its implementation by committee needs to be assessed because the risks of allowing the current situation are far too great.

The best that can be said of the nine signings that Liverpool made last summer is that it is still to early to judge them,, even if the early signs are not positive. Equally, it is damning that only Alberto Moreno could be regarded as a qualified success. The argument that the others will improve in time is all well and good but Liverpool cannot claim that they were not expecting an encouraging impact from at least some of them. Nor can they hide behind transition given that other clubs, Southampton being the most obvious example, are flourishing despite profound change.

By common consensus, out of the 23 signings that Liverpool have made over the last two and a half years, only two – Daniel Sturridge and Philippe Coutinho – have been a resounding success. Given Sturridge is now a long- term absentee as a result of the injuries that have blighted him throughout his career and Coutinho is, like most at Liverpool, becoming an increasingly fitful and less effective presence without Luis Suárez, even their success stories are not without drawbacks. It is an appalling record.

Clearly, something is not working. Depending on personal choice, responsibility for Liverpool’s failings in the transfer market lies at the feet of either Rodgers, the club’s scouts or the committee. But if there are any fingers to be pointed, they should first be aimed in the direction of the club’s owners, Fenway Sports Group (FSG) who not only determined Liverpool’s transfer strategy, they also put in place the young, up-and-coming manager, committee and scouting system that they wanted.

If FSG are given credit for signing the cheques, as they should be, then they should also be questioned if the structure they implemented fails to provide value for money.

The complex, almost clandestine, nature of how Liverpool go about their transfer business makes it almost impossible to assign each signing to either the manager or the committee, even if the setup that isn’t as great a departure from the traditional model as some would have us believe. The reality is that, as Rodgers himself freely admits, with the possible exception of Oussama Assiadi, not a single player has been signed against his wishes. He might have had to have his arm twisted on a few, Sturridge, Mario Balotelli and Mamadou Sakho being the most obvious examples, but, one way or another, they have all arrived with his blessing.

Many questions remain unanswered . What exactly does Rodgers have the final say on? How much choice does Liverpool’s strict wages policy afford him and his scouting team who are competing for talent with some of the highest payers in world football? If, as Rodgers has claimed, the “calculated gamble” on Balotelli was forced by a lack of options, what does that say about Liverpool’s strategy? Why, when Suárez signed a contract that guaranteed his departure if a club met his release clause, did their list of attacking options have a Plan A in Alexis Sanchez with the only Plan B being Loïc Remy, a player with historic and well documented medical issues, and little else? You could go on and on.

All of these issues would not be such a mounting concern if so many of the first-choice signings that Liverpool have made have not been so counterintuitive. After Rodgers said whereas other teams play with ten men and a goalkeeper his philosophy was “to play with eleven,” Liverpool went and signed Simon Mignolet who has shown no signs of being a sweeper keeper since his arrival. After he said last summer that he “would rather have one or two world class players than seven or eight who might not be able to help us,” Liverpool did the opposite.

After paying £17 million for Sakho – described by Ian Ayre at the time as a “marquee signing” – Liverpool spent £20 million on another left sided centre back, Dejan Lovren, just 12 months later. Neither the departure of Suárez nor longstanding concerns about Sturridge’s durability prompted moves for players of their ilk, instead two of the most mobile forwards around have been replaced by two of the most immobile with Balotelli and Rickie Lambert being asked to fill a considerable void.

None of this adds up. In the fullness of time, we might come back to look at Liverpool’s current transfer strategy as an object lesson in proving people wrong, as a case study in spotting, nurturing and fulfilling talent for the long term betterment of a team which critics had claimed was destined to fail. Alternatively, the status quo could continue and the failings which by now appear all too obvious will continue to undermine their chances of success.

While the latter remains a genuine concern, Liverpool should examine what is going wrong and endeavour to put it right before even considering throwing good money after bad.
 
Great article and should put to bed the myth that Barrett is always bias towards Liverpool which was beginning to spread this summer on here.
 
The articles spot on about Liverpool's transfer record. Has there ever been such a long list of successive signings who failed to have any meaningful impact on the club?
 
The articles spot on about Liverpool's transfer record. Has there ever been such a long list of successive signings who failed to have any meaningful impact on the club?

Tottenham? Horrendous dealings. At least Rodgers managed to work his shit into second place, Tottenham can't even scratch 4th place.
 
You could come under fire here mate ;)

We made some poor signings, for sure. But firstly, we were in a position where we had nothing to lose and little reason to be shrewd with our signings. Secondly, there were some gems among our earlier signings such as Kompany, Zabaleta and De Jong. Given and Bellamy did well too.
 
Not sure I agree with that article to be honest. It's easy to direct the blame at their new signings but I'd imagine if you took Suarez and Sturridge out of last season's team they'd be worse than the current team without those players.
 
Not sure I agree with that article to be honest. It's easy to direct the blame at their new signings but I'd imagine if you took Suarez and Sturridge out of last season's team they'd be worse than the current team without those players.

True but the article is not about blaming the players. It's about blaming Rodgers/the board/committee/FSG for the transfer feck-ups which have been happening since the last 3 seasons. I totally agree that they should not spend much in Jan and rather rectify their mistakes and wait on these potential bloomers to bloom.
 
True but the article is not about blaming the players. It's about blaming Rodgers/the board/committee/FSG for the transfer feck-ups which have been happening since the last 3 seasons. I totally agree that they should not spend much in Jan and rather rectify their mistakes and wait on these potential bloomers to bloom.
Don't agree with not spending in Jan, with so much money on the line, with the increase in money simply for qualifying for the CL group stages plus PL income, any money spent in January will be amply rewarded if Top 4 is achieved. Failing to make Top 4 means a serious loss of income and attractiveness to potential Summer recruitments. Pretty much any club would be looking at buying reinforcements if their top striker had missed most of the season (with no guarantee he'll not miss more of it) and their backup strikers hadn't managed a goal between them in the PL. A proven goal-scorer (not named Origi) would give the whole squad a boost they badly need with confidence as low as it is.

Not sure I agree with that article to be honest. It's easy to direct the blame at their new signings but I'd imagine if you took Suarez and Sturridge out of last season's team they'd be worse than the current team without those players.
Agree. Some good points in the article (FSG, responsibility and youth/potential policy - I added that last bit !) and generally I really like Barett but there's a bit of knee-jerk in there too.

Some of the Summer recruitments are obviously very young/inexperienced and are long-term investments and some are having difficulty coming to terms with the new environment, country, language, system (e.g. Markovic) so I won't be writing off anyone just yet but certainly we need a pacey, goal-scoring, striker as a priority. Plenty in that list I gave up above.
 
Don't agree with not spending in Jan, with so much money on the line, with the increase in money simply for qualifying for the CL group stages plus PL income, any money spent in January will be amply rewarded if Top 4 is achieved. Failing to make Top 4 means a serious loss of income and attractiveness to potential Summer recruitments. Pretty much any club would be looking at buying reinforcements if their top striker had missed most of the season (with no guarantee he'll not miss more of it) and their backup strikers hadn't managed a goal between them in the PL. A proven goal-scorer (not named Origi) would give the whole squad a boost they badly need with confidence as low as it is.

January is still a long way away and if Liverpool continue the same form without Sturridge (which is possible), top 4 could be out of reach. In such a situation, I don't think the owners will give Rodgers 30-40mn to spend to find a quality striker needed. Infact, I think what's more needed is a DM worth 10-15mn.