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How many goals has Sturridge scored? Is there a chance he will be their top scorer at the end of the season? (serious question).
Scored once. So he's level with Lambert at the moment.
How many goals has Sturridge scored? Is there a chance he will be their top scorer at the end of the season? (serious question).
Scored once. So he's level with Lambert at the moment.
Lambert hasn't scored yet
They all thought this season would be the next step up for them.
No, they didn't. But continue with your delusion if that's what rocks your boat !
Fair enough. However there is still considerable bias in your assumptions because this Liverpool Squad (bar the loss of Suarez) is substantially better than the one which ran City to the wire last season (cue calls of 'over-acheived' 'but that was with Suarez' etc. etc.). In every single dept. Basically you are a classic case of an opposition fan under-rating a despised rival's players (we do the same to be honest - though I think we've got it right both last season and this .. so far).
Liverpool weren't average last season in any shape or form, playing some of the most thrilling football seen for seasons in the PL, and both the team (in most positions) and the squad have improved. Consider this was our team for much of last season (not the formation exactly but this is according to the most starts per player) :
Johnson.....Skrtel.....Agger......Cisshoko
.................... Gerrard
.................................. Lucas
Henderson ..... Coutinho ......... Sterling
........... Sturridge.........Suarez
And Moses and Aspas the best we had on the bench !
And now it's this (look at the bench) with so many more options and possible formations (not everyone will agree with the players / formation but that's mine) :-
Manquillo .....Skrtel.....Lovren......Moreno
.................... Gerrard
Henderson ..... Coutinho ......... Sterling
........... Sturridge.........Balotelli
Sakho, Johnson, Flanagan, Enrique, Lallana, Can, Allen, Markovic, Lambert
Dipper contradicting himself
His and some other posts around that one quoted are things of beauty looking backPwned.
Just stop making predictions mate.Ah Gasmanc way off track yet again. How come you don't post my predictions for the season eh ? Where I have said all along Arse/LFC/United will be battling for 3/4/5 come the end of the season ? Doesn't suit your agenda does it. WUM.
There is no doubt that it is a better SQUAD. No Cisshoko, Aspas, Moses and so on .... though just to get a rise you'll dispute that too.
Balotelli (last 2 seasons) vs Sturridge vs Suarez
Some Pros and some Cons ... but the cons are nowhere near as bad as is being made out. Note since Balotelli was subbed on/off a lot at Milan I've compiled this over a 90 minute metric not per game or total.
And I've pinched this one from another site :
Note his stats at Milan vs RvP's at United - very similar in goals per minutes played, goals per game and in assists.
Note he was third in assists in the Milan team (league only) for the first season he was there (4) and followed that up by finishing joint-top in assists in the team (league only) with Kaka (6) last season.
Just stop making predictions mate.
More deflections .. just answer the 3.4.5 question. Or even try answering the original assertion .. which 'Pool supporter claimed we were taking the next step as Orc claimed (which one assumes can only mean one place higher than 2nd) ?Just stop making predictions mate.
More deflections .. just answer the 3.4.5 question. Or even try answering the original assertion .. which 'Pool supporter claimed we were taking the next step as Orc claimed (which one assumes can only mean one place higher than 2nd) ?
Who is Shades ... must have missed that one. OK let's just say the vast majority didn't think, with the loss of Suarez and CL matches, that we'd be challenging City/Chelsea who were, TBF most people's picks.I said we'd maintain last season's standards and Shades predicted us for the title. Let's not rewrite history.
Who is Shades ... must have missed that one. OK let's just say the vast majority didn't think, with the loss of Suarez and CL matches, that we'd be challenging City/Chelsea who were, TBF most people's picks.
Hmmm well it certainly is/was strongly true on the forum I inhabit .. not RAWK !Again, that's not true amongst our supporters. Amongst the media, yes, you have a point.
We've done this before Barney,any predictions I made was based on 20 years of sustained challenge, I got it wrong, me and thousands of others, nobody predicted that sharp a decline.He doesn't make a prediction in there Gas.
I'm surprised you don't see the irony in you telling someone to stop making predictions. I could fill a 300 page book with all the predictioms you got wrong last season.
We're still going to win the league.
I thought our centre backs were fine. Moreno was shocking defensively for that goal. We cannot afford that especially away at the champions. We need to cut
out the individual errors.
Claiming to have a "substantially better" squad is now deemed a step down or sideways is it ?More deflections .. just answer the 3.4.5 question. Or even try answering the original assertion .. which 'Pool supporter claimed we were taking the next step as Orc claimed (which one assumes can only mean one place higher than 2nd) ?
Someone mentioned we only had two decent chances and scored two goals. #jammy
That must be the clinical Suarez effect we're missing then.
Yeah, it was Suarez who got us out of jail last season apparently.
Aye. Plus we now have three of our first five penalty takes for whrn we're in Berlin. Rodgers is doing some wonderful planning ahead with signing Lambert and (hopefully) Balotelli.
Rodgers got found out late last season for me, despite the outcry I will receive, he was at fault in those vital games where dreams broke through into nightmare.
He sure did. Got found to be a top manager with a clear philosophy and an ability to improve players while getting his team to leapfrog several others into the much-coveted CL spots.
We've done this before Barney,any predictions I made was based on 20 years of sustained challenge, I got it wrong, me and thousands of others, nobody predicted that sharp a decline.
You just need to look at your tag line for reminders of predictions gone wrong or you can have this one from this season.
Answer the 3.4.5 question ..... instead of sidestepping yet again. Better squad but without Suarez and with CL football doesn't equate to improving on 2nd .. as I stated.Claiming to have a "substantially better" squad is now deemed a step down or sideways is it ?
Well mate it's far too soon too be crowing (referring to any of the posters in this thread) over Liverpool not making Top 4 (or about any player(s) being a failure) isn't it. Anywhere from 3rd downwards looks to be open season but the cream usually rises and I stand by my pre-season forecast of Arse/Pool/United filling those 3 slots, the order dependant on many factors including injuries, CL progress and January transfer window ... to name just three.Rafateria... Before the season kicked off pool supports here were convinced they'd be there or there abouts again, certainly nailed on for top 4. Utd fans spent all summer telling you why you wouldn't but none would listen. Except maybe Bob. You were adament Rodgers spent well & that last season was down to Brent's system rather than Suarez. (Dumbstar mainly)
Although tbf I didn't anticipate you'd be quite this bad. I mean, the way it's going with Sturridge, you'll be lucky to get top 6. Just wish I could enjoy it more but our horrible injury crisis depresses me greatly. We have bigger problems than you since it's not just one player we have a problem with but an entire squad.
Do you think missing Sturridge has as much of an influence as missing half our team and most of our defense? I know he's very important for you but I find that difficult to comprehend.Well mate it's far too soon too be crowing (referring to any of the posters in this thread) over Liverpool not making Top 4 (or about any player(s) being a failure) isn't it. Anywhere from 3rd downwards looks to be open season but the cream usually rises and I stand by my pre-season forecast of Arse/Pool/United filling those 3 slots, the order dependant on many factors including injuries, CL progress and January transfer window ... to name just three.
As far as United telling Pool fans, and vice versa, anything ... it's always going to be tainted with prejudice (as this thread proves). Had Sturridge not been injured where would we be is anyone's guess, if United hadn't had so many injuries (not that many injury weeks more than Liverpool - you top that league and we are fourth) it may be all different there too. We could be looking at Chelsea, United/Liverpool and then City 4th.
If Sturridge is in the team then we play the formation we did at Spurs - two up top, which is what most people have been screaming out for as Balo is not a player to play up top by himself. Or in matches when BR still wants to only play the solo striker, then its Studge and not Balo. It changes the whole dynamic of the team. IMHO, of course, even just adding goals to our matches at his strike ratio from last season would make a hell of a difference to the results / points accumulated. Enough to get us up to 3rd/4th (maybe I was over-reaching when I said 2nd, I'd forgotten about Southampton !), yes I think so.Do you think missing Sturridge has as much of an influence as missing half our team and most of our defense? I know he's very important for you but I find that difficult to comprehend.
I think that Flanagan has been a massive miss for them this season. Probably almost as much as Sturridge.
We miss his versatility, and he was a really solid performer last season, but he's not amazing. He's already turned out to be better than I expected but I'd still be surprised if he ever developed to a level that meant he was first choice.
Sometimes those solid players more than make up for their ordinary talent levels by working harder than anyone else.
We badly miss that determination and attitude that a local lad like Welbeck can bring.
From what I saw of Flanagan at Old Trafford last season, he's the aggressive, hungry sort of player you badly need, Glen Johnson in contrast looks like he doesn't give a f*ck. Even I was disgusted watching him ambling back with his hand in the air against Chelsea (before the Costa goal).
I'm just glad that Clyne looks the business at rb for us and I won't have to see Johnson in an Engerland shirt again.
Manquillo is a much better player.I think that Flanagan has been a massive miss for them this season. Probably almost as much as Sturridge.
No.Who said I was talking about start of season predictions? You continuously got it wrong throughout the season and about Moyesiah as well. I'm just as bad, but telling someone to stop make predictions when you're even worse is very ironic.
No.
I wasn't the first to crack under Moyes spell that's for sure but I was far from the last, think I barely made it out of January before I donated our wager to the caf.
Nobody predicted last year's scenario or its wonderful ending, nobody could.
The ridiculous mediocrity that replaced Suarez had made this years predictions a little easier on your side, ours is a little more unpredictable but given the state of our injury situation and us still plugging away coupled with some real quality additions to the squad we look like we will be fine.
So you've a better squad but without Suarez and with CL football OKAnswer the 3.4.5 question ..... instead of sidestepping yet again. Better squad but without Suarez and with CL football doesn't equate to improving on 2nd .. as I stated.
It could have been much much worse, I mean literally much much worse.Yeah watching Man City lift the trophy is definitely classed as "wonderful".
It was a pathetic season all round, literally no positives from it for me.