Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

Rumor is Liverpool are interested in 32 year old uruguayan DM Egidio Arevalo. But why?
 
No, they didn't. But continue with your delusion if that's what rocks your boat !

Fair enough. However there is still considerable bias in your assumptions because this Liverpool Squad (bar the loss of Suarez) is substantially better than the one which ran City to the wire last season (cue calls of 'over-acheived' 'but that was with Suarez' etc. etc.). In every single dept. Basically you are a classic case of an opposition fan under-rating a despised rival's players (we do the same to be honest - though I think we've got it right both last season and this .. so far).

Liverpool weren't average last season in any shape or form, playing some of the most thrilling football seen for seasons in the PL, and both the team (in most positions) and the squad have improved. Consider this was our team for much of last season (not the formation exactly but this is according to the most starts per player) :

Johnson.....Skrtel.....Agger......Cisshoko

.................... Gerrard
.................................. Lucas

Henderson ..... Coutinho ......... Sterling

........... Sturridge.........Suarez

And Moses and Aspas the best we had on the bench !

And now it's this (look at the bench) with so many more options and possible formations (not everyone will agree with the players / formation but that's mine) :-

Manquillo .....Skrtel.....Lovren......Moreno

.................... Gerrard

Henderson ..... Coutinho ......... Sterling

........... Sturridge.........Balotelli

Sakho, Johnson, Flanagan, Enrique, Lallana, Can, Allen, Markovic, Lambert
 
Ah Gasmanc way off track yet again. How come you don't post my predictions for the season eh ? Where I have said all along Arse/LFC/United will be battling for 3/4/5 come the end of the season ? Doesn't suit your agenda does it. WUM.

There is no doubt that it is a better SQUAD. No Cisshoko, Aspas, Moses and so on .... though just to get a rise you'll dispute that too.
 
Ah Gasmanc way off track yet again. How come you don't post my predictions for the season eh ? Where I have said all along Arse/LFC/United will be battling for 3/4/5 come the end of the season ? Doesn't suit your agenda does it. WUM.

There is no doubt that it is a better SQUAD. No Cisshoko, Aspas, Moses and so on .... though just to get a rise you'll dispute that too.
Just stop making predictions mate.
Balotelli (last 2 seasons) vs Sturridge vs Suarez

Some Pros and some Cons ... but the cons are nowhere near as bad as is being made out. Note since Balotelli was subbed on/off a lot at Milan I've compiled this over a 90 minute metric not per game or total.

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And I've pinched this one from another site :

Note his stats at Milan vs RvP's at United - very similar in goals per minutes played, goals per game and in assists.

Note he was third in assists in the Milan team (league only) for the first season he was there (4) and followed that up by finishing joint-top in assists in the team (league only) with Kaka (6) last season.

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Just stop making predictions mate.

He doesn't make a prediction in there Gas.

I'm surprised you don't see the irony in you telling someone to stop making predictions. I could fill a 300 page book with all the predictioms you got wrong last season.
 
Just stop making predictions mate.
More deflections .. just answer the 3.4.5 question. Or even try answering the original assertion .. which 'Pool supporter claimed we were taking the next step as Orc claimed (which one assumes can only mean one place higher than 2nd) ?
 
More deflections .. just answer the 3.4.5 question. Or even try answering the original assertion .. which 'Pool supporter claimed we were taking the next step as Orc claimed (which one assumes can only mean one place higher than 2nd) ?

I said we'd maintain last season's standards and Shades predicted us for the title. Let's not rewrite history.
 
I said we'd maintain last season's standards and Shades predicted us for the title. Let's not rewrite history.
Who is Shades ... must have missed that one. OK let's just say the vast majority didn't think, with the loss of Suarez and CL matches, that we'd be challenging City/Chelsea who were, TBF most people's picks.
 
Who is Shades ... must have missed that one. OK let's just say the vast majority didn't think, with the loss of Suarez and CL matches, that we'd be challenging City/Chelsea who were, TBF most people's picks.

Again, that's not true amongst our supporters. Amongst the media, yes, you have a point.
 
He doesn't make a prediction in there Gas.

I'm surprised you don't see the irony in you telling someone to stop making predictions. I could fill a 300 page book with all the predictioms you got wrong last season.
We've done this before Barney,any predictions I made was based on 20 years of sustained challenge, I got it wrong, me and thousands of others, nobody predicted that sharp a decline.
You just need to look at your tag line for reminders of predictions gone wrong or you can have this one from this season.
We're still going to win the league.



I thought our centre backs were fine. Moreno was shocking defensively for that goal. We cannot afford that especially away at the champions. We need to cut
out the individual errors.

Either way he's using stats to predict that Balotelli will be a successful signing rather than the poor one most people predicted. What's the point of the post otherwise ?
 
More deflections .. just answer the 3.4.5 question. Or even try answering the original assertion .. which 'Pool supporter claimed we were taking the next step as Orc claimed (which one assumes can only mean one place higher than 2nd) ?
Claiming to have a "substantially better" squad is now deemed a step down or sideways is it ?
 
Rafateria... Before the season kicked off pool supports here were convinced they'd be there or there abouts again, certainly nailed on for top 4. Utd fans spent all summer telling you why you wouldn't but none would listen. Except maybe Bob. You were adament Rodgers spent well & that last season was down to Brent's system rather than Suarez. (Dumbstar mainly)

Although tbf I didn't anticipate you'd be quite this bad. I mean, the way it's going with Sturridge, you'll be lucky to get top 6. Just wish I could enjoy it more but our horrible injury crisis depresses me greatly. We have bigger problems than you since it's not just one player we have a problem with but an entire squad.
 
Liverpool fans on the defensive every time I come into this thread, I love it.

Even at the start of the season after a few games they were like:

Someone mentioned we only had two decent chances and scored two goals. #jammy

That must be the clinical Suarez effect we're missing then. :D

Yeah, it was Suarez who got us out of jail last season apparently.



Aye. Plus we now have three of our first five penalty takes for whrn we're in Berlin. Rodgers is doing some wonderful planning ahead with signing Lambert and (hopefully) Balotelli.



Rodgers got found out late last season for me, despite the outcry I will receive, he was at fault in those vital games where dreams broke through into nightmare.

He sure did. Got found to be a top manager with a clear philosophy and an ability to improve players while getting his team to leapfrog several others into the much-coveted CL spots.
 
We've done this before Barney,any predictions I made was based on 20 years of sustained challenge, I got it wrong, me and thousands of others, nobody predicted that sharp a decline.
You just need to look at your tag line for reminders of predictions gone wrong or you can have this one from this season.

Who said I was talking about start of season predictions? You continuously got it wrong throughout the season and about Moyesiah as well. I'm just as bad, but telling someone to stop make predictions when you're even worse is very ironic.
 
Claiming to have a "substantially better" squad is now deemed a step down or sideways is it ?
Answer the 3.4.5 question ..... instead of sidestepping yet again. Better squad but without Suarez and with CL football doesn't equate to improving on 2nd .. as I stated.
 
Rafateria... Before the season kicked off pool supports here were convinced they'd be there or there abouts again, certainly nailed on for top 4. Utd fans spent all summer telling you why you wouldn't but none would listen. Except maybe Bob. You were adament Rodgers spent well & that last season was down to Brent's system rather than Suarez. (Dumbstar mainly)

Although tbf I didn't anticipate you'd be quite this bad. I mean, the way it's going with Sturridge, you'll be lucky to get top 6. Just wish I could enjoy it more but our horrible injury crisis depresses me greatly. We have bigger problems than you since it's not just one player we have a problem with but an entire squad.
Well mate it's far too soon too be crowing (referring to any of the posters in this thread) over Liverpool not making Top 4 (or about any player(s) being a failure) isn't it. Anywhere from 3rd downwards looks to be open season but the cream usually rises and I stand by my pre-season forecast of Arse/Pool/United filling those 3 slots, the order dependant on many factors including injuries, CL progress and January transfer window ... to name just three.

As far as United telling Pool fans, and vice versa, anything ... it's always going to be tainted with prejudice (as this thread proves). Had Sturridge not been injured where would we be is anyone's guess, if United hadn't had so many injuries (not that many injury weeks more than Liverpool - you top that league and we are fourth) it may be all different there too. We could be looking at Chelsea, United/Liverpool and then City 4th.
 
Well mate it's far too soon too be crowing (referring to any of the posters in this thread) over Liverpool not making Top 4 (or about any player(s) being a failure) isn't it. Anywhere from 3rd downwards looks to be open season but the cream usually rises and I stand by my pre-season forecast of Arse/Pool/United filling those 3 slots, the order dependant on many factors including injuries, CL progress and January transfer window ... to name just three.

As far as United telling Pool fans, and vice versa, anything ... it's always going to be tainted with prejudice (as this thread proves). Had Sturridge not been injured where would we be is anyone's guess, if United hadn't had so many injuries (not that many injury weeks more than Liverpool - you top that league and we are fourth) it may be all different there too. We could be looking at Chelsea, United/Liverpool and then City 4th.
Do you think missing Sturridge has as much of an influence as missing half our team and most of our defense? I know he's very important for you but I find that difficult to comprehend.
 
Do you think missing Sturridge has as much of an influence as missing half our team and most of our defense? I know he's very important for you but I find that difficult to comprehend.
If Sturridge is in the team then we play the formation we did at Spurs - two up top, which is what most people have been screaming out for as Balo is not a player to play up top by himself. Or in matches when BR still wants to only play the solo striker, then its Studge and not Balo. It changes the whole dynamic of the team. IMHO, of course, even just adding goals to our matches at his strike ratio from last season would make a hell of a difference to the results / points accumulated. Enough to get us up to 3rd/4th (maybe I was over-reaching when I said 2nd, I'd forgotten about Southampton !), yes I think so.
 
I think that Flanagan has been a massive miss for them this season. Probably almost as much as Sturridge.

We miss his versatility, and he was a really solid performer last season, but he's not amazing. He's already turned out to be better than I expected but I'd still be surprised if he ever developed to a level that meant he was first choice.
 
We miss his versatility, and he was a really solid performer last season, but he's not amazing. He's already turned out to be better than I expected but I'd still be surprised if he ever developed to a level that meant he was first choice.

Sometimes those solid players more than make up for their ordinary talent levels by working harder than anyone else.

We badly miss that determination and attitude that a local lad like Welbeck can bring.

From what I saw of Flanagan at Old Trafford last season, he's the aggressive, hungry sort of player you badly need, Glen Johnson in contrast looks like he doesn't give a f*ck. Even I was disgusted watching him ambling back with his hand in the air against Chelsea (before the Costa goal).

I'm just glad that Clyne looks the business at rb for us and I won't have to see Johnson in an Engerland shirt again.
 
Sometimes those solid players more than make up for their ordinary talent levels by working harder than anyone else.

We badly miss that determination and attitude that a local lad like Welbeck can bring.

From what I saw of Flanagan at Old Trafford last season, he's the aggressive, hungry sort of player you badly need, Glen Johnson in contrast looks like he doesn't give a f*ck. Even I was disgusted watching him ambling back with his hand in the air against Chelsea (before the Costa goal).

I'm just glad that Clyne looks the business at rb for us and I won't have to see Johnson in an Engerland shirt again.

I'd rather have Flanagan over Johnson too for what it's worth. Easy choice. Not sure I'd have him over Manquillo though, who's been harshly benched by Rodgers despite performing as well as possible in our terrible unit. There isn't much between Flano and Manquillo at the minute but the latter definitely has the bigger upside.
 
Who said I was talking about start of season predictions? You continuously got it wrong throughout the season and about Moyesiah as well. I'm just as bad, but telling someone to stop make predictions when you're even worse is very ironic.
No.
I wasn't the first to crack under Moyes spell that's for sure but I was far from the last, think I barely made it out of January before I donated our wager to the caf.
Nobody predicted last year's scenario or its wonderful ending, nobody could.

The ridiculous mediocrity that replaced Suarez had made this years predictions a little easier on your side, ours is a little more unpredictable but given the state of our injury situation and us still plugging away coupled with some real quality additions to the squad we look like we will be fine.
 
No.
I wasn't the first to crack under Moyes spell that's for sure but I was far from the last, think I barely made it out of January before I donated our wager to the caf.
Nobody predicted last year's scenario or its wonderful ending, nobody could.

The ridiculous mediocrity that replaced Suarez had made this years predictions a little easier on your side, ours is a little more unpredictable but given the state of our injury situation and us still plugging away coupled with some real quality additions to the squad we look like we will be fine.

Yeah watching Man City lift the trophy is definitely classed as "wonderful".

It was a pathetic season all round, literally no positives from it for me.
 
Answer the 3.4.5 question ..... instead of sidestepping yet again. Better squad but without Suarez and with CL football doesn't equate to improving on 2nd .. as I stated.
So you've a better squad but without Suarez and with CL football :lol: OK
Your original argument that no pool supporter claimed Liverpool would make the step up is rubbished by Barney claiming they were going to win the league.
You personally thought the squad had improved but its just bigger, nobody but you and Barney has mentioned improving on 2nd either, establishing as a top four club would be a step up for Liverpool, unless your rewriting history based on one season.
 
Yeah watching Man City lift the trophy is definitely classed as "wonderful".

It was a pathetic season all round, literally no positives from it for me.
It could have been much much worse, I mean literally much much worse.
If you didn't find any comedy in the seasons end then banter is dead to you my man, but yes it was a ridiculously bad season by or standards, if you a want a positive then Moyes is gone, Gerrard slipped and threw the title away, it's not even like City won it in the end, it was handed to them on a plate just like their first Prem was.