Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

Rafateria said:
What that doesn't take into account is all the expenditure that can be allocated to the gross loss for UEFA rules purposes. Spending on stadiums, youth, etc. etc.

Sorry to disappoint KM.
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It's still going to be a tightrope. Unless all these spendings can be deductible on the scale of tens of million pounds.
 
Rafateria said:
What that doesn't take into account is all the expenditure that can be allocated to the gross loss for UEFA rules purposes. Spending on stadiums, youth, etc. etc.

Sorry to disappoint KM.
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Not at all disappointing. We've got bigger fish to worry about.
 
Ian Ayre, Liverpool's managing director, explained: "The structure – and Brendan is aware of this – is a more continental director of football-type structure, a collaborative group of people working around the football area." But it is one with Rodgers at the head and with control over football operations and transfers.

Liverpool's new manager said: "The owners probably spoke to one or two people about certain roles but I wanted clarity on it [the structure] and I didn't agree until after three discussions with them. I wanted to make sure it was going to be the case that I would be in charge of football matters. That I would control the team, control the work and then what we have underpinning that is a team all with one vision and one mentality – that is to make the first team better. If it was anything other than that then I couldn't have said yes because that's not my strength.

"I am better when I have control. I am not a power freak. But my point is that I need to feel that I can manage the team and have a direct clear line through to the owners. Once that becomes hazy, for me there is a problem. I don't think it was a model the owners were set on, by any means. I think it is one that people have come to them and suggested. They are still learning about the game.

"One of the items I brought up when I was speaking to the club was that I wouldn't directly work with a director of football. I feel that if you are going to do that as a club you have to do that first. That was my recommendation. If you want to have a sporting director, get him in and then you can pick your manager from there but if you do I won't be the manager."

Asked if he had 100% confidence that Liverpool will only sign players he identifies, Rodgers said: "Yes. It's absolute madness if you are the manager of the club and someone else tells you to have that player. It doesn't work. I've had total clarity with that from the guys so I've got confidence that will remain. It was for this reason that I didn't want to be sat up there, say what I've said and then in three weeks time Louis van Gaal walks in the door."

Brendan Rodgers: My Liverpool terms were full control or nothing
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gasmanc said:
The committee being mostly in control of last summers transfer dealing and the fact that "heads have rolled" quite a serious claim really so it should at least have substance.
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A month before this year's summer transfer window opened:

“Obviously, I am involved heavily in the identification of the player,” Rodgers told the ECHO.

“The principle idea when I first came in was that like any manager you will have the first call on a player and the last call.

“That’s the call on whether he’s good enough to continue to look at and try to organise a deal and the last call to say yes or no.

“There is a big part that goes on in between. In modern football you need to trust other people to do the work. That’s something we do here and that’s why we have had the success we’ve had.

“The finer details of that are left to Ian who does a terrific job and our other guys in that field who will go through the contracts. I am aware of where the situation is at right the way through the process.

“We will never bring in a player here who the manager doesn’t want in. That’s a great credit to the owners and the other people at the club.

“We work very closely together – it’s worth stressing that. It’s key that we are very much one club.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-liverpool-fc-transfer-7185770
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I reckon a meltdown may just be around the corner for these lot. Especially with the transfer window fast approaching.
 
Phurry said:
Now, now @Hectic, don't be bringing facts into these debates, you know it just confuses the poor scouser.
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Probably best to ignore the insights from the manager into this topic - both past and present - and just go with whatever suits the agenda.
 
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MDFC Manager said:
It's still going to be a tightrope. Unless all these spendings can be deductible on the scale of tens of million pounds.
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Err exactly. Stadium preliminary work and planning.

To complicate matters, there are several types of expense are exempt from FFP rules, including spending on infrastructure and youth development and some of the cost of historical player contracts.

up until the end of the 2014–15 season, clubs will be allowed to exclude from the FFP calculation the wages of players signed before June 2010 as long as they can show an improved trend in their accounts

Any money spent on infrastructure, training facilities or youth development will not be included.

For the 2013/14 season when the FFP rules come into force, an owner can inject up to €45m over two seasons to cover the losses of the club. After the 2013-14 season an owner can on average exchange only €15m worth of cash for shares each year to spend on transfers and wages. That figure is reduced to €10m per season (€30m over three seasons) for the 2015-16 season.

 
Hectic said:
A month before this year's summer transfer window opened:
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Hectic, that has been disputed by multiple reliable journalists. Rory Smith, Tony Barrett, James Pearce, Chris Bascombe, Dom King, Tony Evans, etc. Have all stated that the committee have forced signings on Rodgers in the past. Rodgers is hardly going to come out and say 'yeah lads, I didn't want to sign any of yous, you were all forced on me'.
 
So lets get this straight:

Rodgers signs Sturridge and Coutinho : Wow, Rodgers is a genius.
Rodgers signs a bunch of shite players : It's the transfer committee that did that.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
So lets get this straight:

Rodgers signs Sturridge and Coutinho : Wow, Rodgers is a genius.
Rodgers signs a bunch of shite players : It's the transfer committee that did that.
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That's clearly not true though considering it's been mentioned multiple times by multiple posters that Sturridge was forced upon him.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Hectic, that has been disputed by multiple reliable journalists. Rory Smith, Tony Barrett, James Pearce, Chris Bascombe, Dom King, Tony Evans, etc. Have all stated that the committee have forced signings on Rodgers in the past. Rodgers is hardly going to come out and say 'yeah lads, I didn't want to sign any of yous, you were all forced on me'.
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He could just as easily say that the committee signed the players and he was happy with them.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
So lets get this straight:

Rodgers signs Sturridge and Coutinho : Wow, Rodgers is a genius.
Rodgers signs a bunch of shite players : It's the transfer committee that did that.
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How many times do I have to wear my fingers down (and the rest of the scousers?!) R.O.D.G.E.R.S D.I.D N.O.T B.U.Y Sturridge and Coutinho. He never wanted Sturridge in the first place.

God give me strength.
 
Hectic said:
Probably best to ignore the insights from the manager into this topic - both past and present - and just go with whatever suits the agenda.
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Hectic, through all the bullshit, the head(s) I mentioned rolling were part of our scouting team. You may want to look that up as part of your "fact finding mission" and "going with it" agenda. Because I can't be arsed anymore.
 
I presume Rodgers frustrations are with the way their transfer negotiations are done rather than the players they go for.

Everyone knows his first choice to replace Suarez was Alexis Sanchez, while they could have got him in part exchange from Barcelona I doubt the people conducting the negotiations were willing to pay Sanchez what Arsenal were.

Same happened with Salah last season yeah? Liverpool's people wouldn't put up the cash, Chelsea swooped and took him.

This way the transfer committee or whatever they're called can move down the list of names until they come to someone like Balotelli who they see as value, doesn't mean Balotelli was one of Rodgers top choices but if they couldn't do deals for any of the others then he's stuck with him.
 
So were to believe multiple journalists speculation rather than the quotes given by the manager himself, its no wonder scousers are classed as deluded, you believe whatever suits the current agenda rather than just look at the hard facts.
 
Manucho the boss said:
Everyone knows his first choice to replace Suarez was Alexis Sanchez, while they could have got him in part exchange from Barcelona I doubt the people conducting the negotiations were willing to pay Sanchez what Arsenal were.
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We apparently offered a couple of million pounds more and higher wages to Sanchez so that isn't the case. We can match Arsenal in bidding for players, it's City, Chelsea and United who are a class apart.
 
As long as we keep Manquillo too, I won't mind bringing in another right back. Manquillo, Montoya, Moreno and Flanagan would be ace.
 
gasmanc said:
So were to believe multiple journalists speculation rather than the quotes given by the manager himself, its no wonder scousers are classed as deluded, you believe whatever suits the current agenda rather than just look at the hard facts.
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To be fair, managers regularly bullshit in interviews and it really isn't delusional to believe what various journalists are saying as opposed to believing the words of a manager at a high profile club who has to be extremely careful about what he says.
 
Would have been happy with Montoya a few seasons back but not any more. He hasn't developed at all in years now, not really his fault, he barely gets on the bench these days, but no point signing him.
 
BobbyManc said:
To be fair, managers regularly bullshit in interviews and it really isn't delusional to believe what various journalists are saying as opposed to believing the words of a manager at a high profile club who has to be extremely careful about what he says.
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Were not talking about a foul during a game nor a high profile decision thats changed a game, were dealing with a manager setting his stall out as to what he expects to face from the running of the club.
He's either pissed £120m away or had his power relinquished, either way its hilarious.
 

That's a great find Hectic.

I think what the most hilarious thing about the situation is that he was hell bent on making it clear that he is in total control of everything now. He's negotiated with the top brass that because he had that good season, he's clearly to be trusted and they've given him his wish and he'd just like to repeat again, that he's now in total control of everything football related, from transfers to work load.


And it's only since he gained full control of everything that it's gone to absolute shit :lol:

All the transfers - shit. £120m wasted on absolute dross.

The football - shit. No clear plan anymore, no defense and the attack look like strangers. He's struggling to drop Gerrard and at best "rests him" for the biggest game of their season so they don't get annihilated.

The football "work" which you can only assume he means what everyone else in the football world calls "training" - Well it must be shit if your energetic young star who you are becoming increasingly dependent on is complaining of fatigue in September.
 
BarneyLFC said:
Jackson.
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I doubt it. He'll cost you at least 30 smackeroos to add to the 120 odd you already spent this summer. FSG spending that much in a season when you've also got to spend a tonne on redeveloping Anfield seems a little too good to be true.
 
Sean_RedDevil said:
1) So Sakho isn't injured :lol:

2) IF TRUE.....isn't Jackson Martinez a main striker like Balotelli??? You guys are needing more attacking players like Schürrle or Firmino
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I think the same. Not specifically those players (I don't like Schürrle, Firmino seems highly rated) but we need someone who can play deeper and/or wide instead of another lead striker.
 
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