Ah excellent. Sort of a karma for all the times in the 80s when Liverpool wasted time legally with the back pass to the goalie.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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Ah excellent. Sort of a karma for all the times in the 80s when Liverpool wasted time legally with the back pass to the goalie.
Not saying Chelsea won't win the league, but if you take out Costa and Fabregas Chelsea basically have the same squad, the same team and the same manager as last season. Drogba is Eto'o Mk II and and an always injured Remy is basically as useful as an always injured Torres.
So to Costa and Fabregas then...why will they get injured? Well, just take a look at their injury records. Costa bust a gut and a ballsack to help Atletico last season and then Spain in the albeit short world cup. He's high on adrenaline right now but winter is coming.Mourinho may win the league like I said, but they won't be breaking any records doing so. More than likely they'll have zero competition on their way to the easiest league campaign ever recorded.
Liverpool plus Arsenal are miles off last years form. City are a lot poorer as well.
As things stand they will only need to get around 80 points to win it.
I also hate it when it happen to us. His Porto team time-wasted, dived and faked injury etc etc but it's part of the game. Mourinho played you inbetween a CL semi-final while you had the whole week to prepare. He fielded a weak team including a 41 year old in goal and a kid in central defence making his first ever start in the league. Did you really expect Chelsea to come at you? If you want to blame someone for that defeat, blame Gerrard for bottling it after the slip or blame Rodgers for going gung-ho when a draw would suffice.
Quite. There's a difference between taking every effort to disrupt the opponents flow and taking so long over a given free kick or throw that its an actual offence. Why should a team get the ball back in play if it suits the opposition? Sure its irritating as hell and not what I'd want to see my team doing, but at the end of the day I don't see that it should be stopped. May as well complain at teams putting 10 men behind the ball or taking the ball into the corner.
Yep, might even squeeze it with a high 70s unless City put on a run near the end of season (highly unlikely, Pellegrini's been found out).
Chelsea are a shorter price to win the league (1.20) than Liverpool were before the Chelsea game last season (between 1.4 and 1.5 iirc).
Pretty sure Liverpool were a lower price than that. Around 1.2 as well I think.
Always found it strange that if a shot is deflected past the right hand post they take the corner from the right. But if it was goal kick, they can waste time by taking the kick from the left hand side. Never really got that, or the logic. Even free kicks have to be taken from where the offence took place, not the other side of the pitch. The techniques to waste time are quite surprising. I personally think there should be 90 minutes of playing time, i.e. ball in play.
Simply have 30 in-play minutes each way. Pretty much kills off lame subs, time wasting etc etc.
Yeah that sounds about right actually Bob. My memory is getting pretty shite these days. Still, pretty insane price for Chelsea to be at this stage of the season. I doubt Fergie's United where ever that short in November.
Johann Cruyff on Balotelli:
I'll always have sympathy for Balotelli with this. The circumstances in which he was raised were shite.
Its the most wonderful thread of the year.
I was under the impression he had excellent foster parents that he loved dearly from a young age, did they not educate him well?
This is harsh, nothing to do with the post above or education comment from Cruyff, I'm sure Balotelli can put a bib on, but Savage is the messi of idiots.
How so?
Here's a great article on it.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/aug/29/mario-balotelli-liverpool-milan-italy
His foster parents were very good. Being a black child with white foster parents in a place where they aren't the most racially accepting would feck with any child's head, no?
Racism has historically been a major problem for the world, I'm not sure every person subjected to racism turned into Balotelli, so no I do not think it's an excuse.
Players from places such as South America grow up in pretty extreme conditions relative to what Balotelli must have and they don't act like him, in fact, many of them apply themselves and become truly excellent.
I think many people have problems, not always reported.
Let's not make it seem like he's worse then he is though. Balotelli is not a terrible person off the pitch, more like an overgrown child. I don't think Cruijff meant it like that anyways. He is simply saying that his coaches throughout his career should have been sterner with him especially from a footballing point of view. Don't do what the manager wants you to do (both on and off the pitch)? Then you don't play. I tend to agree with Cruijff here, but, in the end there is only so much a manager can do. I think Mancini was tough on Balotelli and that was probably the most fruitful time in his career, yet, even Mancini got fed up with him eventually.
Balo is alright, he's just a bit of a dick, not his fault though, as if that's a shock to anyone here
I think he's good entertainment, as long as he's playing for another club.Balo is alright, he's just a bit of a dick, not his fault though, as if that's a shock to anyone here
He's massively talented but it's starting to look as if no one can capitalise on it. Still wouldn't rule it out.
He's great entertainment but he's usually a more formidable footballer, maybe Rogers sprinkled all his magic dust on that goofey twat that shipped out.
Sure looks that way.
His talent is overstated, I'm surprised that you of all people pete would buy into the 'massive talent' line. He's a good footballer at best, capable of some random excellent moments, with a terrible attitude. And this attitude has led the media to construct this narrative where his talent is completely overblown to create this 'wasted genius' line, that's just not true, at all.
Well said. I cannot fathom how some can suggest Balotelli as some incredible talent or 'wasted genius'. He occasional showcases some excellent ball control and hold-up play, but beyond that and the odd powerful strike from range, free-kick or penalty, I struggle to see what he brings to the table. His glimpses of magic are far to sporadic for him to be heralded as a huge talent. Personally, I would say Welbeck is just as talented and he's very lacking in some departments himself.
He's got it. Increasingly looks as if he won't do it though.
Been out of the loop so sorry for going over old ground, but it helps having perspective of. Both the real and chelsea game, afterall, rodgers tactic and selection means that we need to view them as one event....
In my opinion, rodgers got it the wrong way round, against real, points are king and gd is mostly irrelevant, real will win the group so no harm getting a tonking, but if the snuck a point or unlikely victory, they are in a strong position, especially as real need to pick up points in the remaining games.
Vs chelsea, why not out Mourinho Mourinho, play defensive let chelsea push the game, afterall a point suits both teams equally at this stage and there is no shame in drawing with this Chelsea side. If rodgers had switched the teams for the two games, he might have had a better outcome, but instead he's lost completely, he got nothing from real nor Chelsea and proved he's full of shite with this nonsense of dropping players for Madrid.
Finally, I can't believe no one has pulled dumbstar up for his "going to Madrid without Suarez" comment... Sorry to break this to you dumbstar, but Suarez left, you'll go everywhere without him this year. If you're lucky you'll get second and barca in the 16 so can see him again soon.
In my opinion, rodgers got it the wrong way round, against real, points are king and gd is mostly irrelevant, real will win the group so no harm getting a tonking, but if the snuck a point or unlikely victory, they are in a strong position, especially as real need to pick up points in the remaining games.
Vs chelsea, why not out Mourinho Mourinho, play defensive let chelsea push the game, afterall a point suits both teams equally at this stage and there is no shame in drawing with this Chelsea side. If rodgers had switched the teams for the two games, he might have had a better outcome, but instead he's lost completely, he got nothing from real nor Chelsea and proved he's full of shite with this nonsense of dropping players for Madrid.
Finally, I can't believe no one has pulled dumbstar up for his "going to Madrid without Suarez" comment... Sorry to break this to you dumbstar, but Suarez left, you'll go everywhere without him this year. If you're lucky you'll get second and barca in the 16 so can see him again soon.
Difficult situation? Read Rafa's post just above mine. This was always going to be the case.
We played Real at Anfield and Bernabeu without Suarez and Sturridge. Thrashed first game, heads held high second. Might be in Europa after but we're tasting CL for however long/short it lasts.
Ps. this is what it feels like playing with 10 men.
I expect us to buy a striker in January. It must be blindingly obvious to FSG and BR, despite the crap that's feed to the media, that Sturridge can not be depended on to stay healthy and without him we are feather-light, that Mario may or may come good for us but that it's unlikely, that Borini is not good enough though decent enough at #4 for now and that Lambert, I am very very sorry to say, is never going to offer us much/anything we can rely on.
So :-
January : Borini goes and we get ourselves a shiny new striker. We have, according to the Echo, scouted Doumbia (sp) 5 times so far and he looks right for us, pacey (read: blindingly fast), knows where the net is and won't break the bank.
Summer 15 : A player like Firmino (hopefully it will actually be him) will replace Lambert who is released. Origi comes to town. Maybe Shaqiri too ?
Summer 16 : Proven striker replaces Mario who by now can hardly get a spot on the bench.
We start the 2016/17 season with : Sturridge, Doumbia, Origi, Proven Striker and have Firmino (or another of his ilk), Sterling, Ibe, Suso, Markovic (who is now pulling up trees), Lallana and maybe Shaqiri or a youth who has broken through (or been bought, a la Odengaard or Roberts) in behind / across / wings.
I enjoyed that. Feel much better now !
So :-
January : Borini goes and we get ourselves a shiny new striker. We have, according to the Echo, scouted Doumbia (sp) 5 times so far and he looks right for us, pacey (read: blindingly fast), knows where the net is and won't break the bank.
Summer 15 : A player like Firmino (hopefully it will actually be him) will replace Lambert who is released. Origi comes to town. Maybe Shaqiri too ?
Summer 16 : Proven striker replaces Mario who by now can hardly get a spot on the bench.
We start the 2016/17 season with : Sturridge, Doumbia, Origi, Proven Striker and have Firmino (or another of his ilk), Sterling, Ibe, Suso, Markovic (who is now pulling up trees), Lallana and maybe Shaqiri or a youth who has broken through (or been bought, a la Odengaard or Roberts) in behind / across / wings.
I enjoyed that. Feel much better now !
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Fair summary Rafa, and whilst you are probably spot of, it's a shame for Lambert and borini that come 3pm each Saturday they just don't seem to get a chance to show what they can do on the pitch.
This is your year.
Didn't you try to flog Borini out already and he just wouldn't feck off? Why would he now? Doesn't Firmino play the same position that Coutinho or Lallana does? What about Sterling, it does seem that RM are fishing around you lot and you know it that once they come with big fat cheque you'll sell him, if so, won't you be afraid that Brenton spends all the money on some rubbish again?
Never looked very quick to me, does look about 34.
I think rather than worrying about Rodgers will spend the money, the concern has to be that FSG won't trust him with money themselves. They'd be well within their rights to refuse to give him any transfer money in January, but I hope that doesn't happen.
There has to be something going on in the background. Scouts recently fired, lots of shite bought, sold and bought again. Could there be some political tensions building up between FSG and Rodgers? You're right I don't think he's going to get any money to spend.
So from the above two posts, are Liverpool fans going back to the old 'its-all-the-owners-fault' excuse, before they've actually done anything wrong?
If you read the post I said they're well within their rights to withhold money, so I'm not sure how you think I'm blaming them.
@Dumbstar, yeah could well be. The transfer policy is clearly in need of improvements anyway, regardless of who's fault it's been previously. We seem to buy players and then try to fit them in rather than buying the right players...like going from Rémy and Alexis to Balotelli - they're not even similar.
I read your post alright, and then pre-empted what would happen next if the owners did withhold money. Hardly a stretch. If the owners withhold money at a time when investment in, say, a striker is clearly needed, do the Liverpool fans (a) go "ah yeah, they're dead right, Rodgers has pissed money away before", or (b) go postal?
In my post, I've pre-empted (b).
Haven't Liverpool had a terrible transfer policy for the last 25 years?
Up until recently they'd spent more than Utd and Arsenal for a fraction of the success & zero league titles. Nothing has really changed since Rodgers or these owners have arrived.
Up until recently they'd spent more than Utd and Arsenal for a fraction of the success & zero league titles. Nothing has really changed since Rodgers or these owners have arrived.
Oh, thought you meant I specifically was blaming the owners. You could be right about the majority of the fans, but I don't think I'm alone in thinking Rodgers has used money poorly so I don't think I'd be alone in not blaming FSG.