Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense

thegregster said:
Liverpool signed the players they wanted according to Brentan. So I dont know why Liverpool fans are so bitter at us signing Di Maria.
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Obviously because they expected to sign players of the caliber of Di Maria and Falcao, not us. They were even more confident that such would happen, now that they had CL whereas we weren't even in Europe.


They are right about things now though. We ended up signing mercenaries :( :(
 
iBoss said:
Probably get ridiculed for this but I actually think Lallana is better than Coutinho and deserves his place in the team ahead of the Brazilian. Unless Rodgers is planning to use them in different ways?
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No I agree. I always felt Lallana would be a top player for us, but because he had a bad injury he hasn't played as many games yet.
I honestly don't know how he will use them, Markovic hasn't really settled yet, Sturridge has been injured and as I say Lallana has too - add to that Coutinho has been a bit hit & miss it's hard to say.
 
MDFC Manager said:
They are right about things now though. We ended up signing mercenaries :( :(
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Like who? Di Maria has stated he has always loved United and wants to stay, Falcao has said he wants to play here for years to come and become a United Great. Rojo was like a little kid in a sweet shop and couldn't seem happier. Herrera has also said he wants to stay and admits he was close to coming here last season and Blind seems happy to have been recognised by a top club and is now getting pretty high praise and proving his worth.

Don't forget Falcao is still only on loan and if he doesn't live up to the price then he won't be signed permanently.

They certainly don't seem to be of the Tevez ilk yet. But even if they are, even mercenaries have their uses. Great when things are against you and to achieve short term goals by using brute force to recapture what was previously lost. Then when recaptured they leave and full time replacements can come in. :D
 
iBoss said:
Probably get ridiculed for this but I actually think Lallana is better than Coutinho and deserves his place in the team ahead of the Brazilian. Unless Rodgers is planning to use them in different ways?
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Coutinho's ceiling is way higher than Lallana's, you shouldn't forget he's four years younger too.. The only problem with him is his inconsistency, to a point where it just becomes frustrating at times. He was wonderful in pre-season which made me think this could be his breakthrough year but he hasn't delivered the goods since. I'm glad that's not an issue with Lallana: he seems very consistent in his performances and you know what you're going to get with him: a very good, useful player who sometimes can make a difference for your side, but most importantly good performances throughout the season and that's essential too, you need players like that.

peterstorey said:
Absolutely. The only thing Hazard really excels at is manufacturing fouls.
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:wenger: Hazard is playing on a very high level this season, easily Chelsea's best performing player alongside Cesc and Costa. You had a good game two weeks ago until he ripped your defence apart and gave them the lead. He's a difference maker, more often than not.
 
I'd imagine both Lallana and Coutinho will start given how shite Markovic and Balotelli have been.
 
RobinLFC said:
:wenger: Hazard is playing on a very high level this season, easily Chelsea's best performing player alongside Cesc and Costa. You had a good game two weeks ago until he ripped your defence apart and gave them the lead. He's a difference maker, more often than not.
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He dived to get Chambers booked and Chambers was then not able to make a significant challenge, he then initiated the contact with Kos.
 
langster said:
Like who? Di Maria has stated he has always loved United and wants to stay, Falcao has said he wants to play here for years to come and become a United Great. Rojo was like a little kid in a sweet shop and couldn't seem happier. Herrera has also said he wants to stay and admits he was close to coming here last season and Blind seems happy to have been recognised by a top club and is now getting pretty high praise and proving his worth.

Don't forget Falcao is still only on loan and if he doesn't live up to the price then he won't be signed permanently.

They certainly don't seem to be of the Tevez ilk yet. But even if they are, even mercenaries have their uses. Great when things are against you and to achieve short term goals by using brute force to recapture what was previously lost. Then when recaptured they leave and full time replacements can come in. :D
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Do fans still really believe this stuff?

Players move for a multitude of reasons, money is a huge factor in that. The top clubs don't exactly have small wage bills.
 
peterstorey said:
He dived to get Chambers booked and Chambers was then not able to make a significant challenge, he then initiated the contact with Kos.
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Don't think it was a dive, Chamers tripped him when Hazard was already past him. It's debatable but he didn't protest much himself either. And I disagree that Hazard initiated the contact, that was a stupid and very risky challenge by Koscielny, stonewall penalty. But this isn't really the place to discuss that, I guess.
 
africanspur said:
Do fans still really believe this stuff?

Players move for a multitude of reasons, money is a huge factor in that. The top clubs don't exactly have small wage bills.
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Exactly. To compensate the factor of missing CL, we had to pay increased wages to get the players in.
 
africanspur said:
Do fans still really believe this stuff?

Players move for a multitude of reasons, money is a huge factor in that. The top clubs don't exactly have small wage bills.
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No, of course it all can be perceived as rhetoric to appease the fans, and obviously nobody would ever be honest enough to say "I actually wanted to stay at Real Madrid but they didn't want me and United could afford me" But Di Marias' quotes were from a few years ago. If you saw the BBC interview and saw the look on Falcaos' face when he first entered the changing rooms at Old Trafford, you can see that was real. He was grinning like the proverbial Cheshire cat. Rojo genuinely seems over the moon and is always smiling.

Of course player loyalty is always in questions nowadays, but look at the recent loss of our own Welbeck. Do you believe what he said about Arsenal when he joined? The kind of loyalty shown by players like Giggs, Neville, Scholes and (no matter how he is hated) Gerrard are a dying breed. As long as the lads who signed in the summer play well and are constantly respectful about the club, I don't care if they are only here for the money. Managers can drop players as quickly as players can drop their clubs. I think the only time it becomes an issue is when, like Tevez, they constantly switch clubs then slate the previous club/player/manager/fans and also have no care about switching for rival teams. Could you see Messi leaving Barca for Madrid? Fabregas is a good example of what i'm trying to say. So far he has acted with dignity and respect regarding his switch to Chelsea, and that's after a 3 year absence.
 
langster said:
No, of course it all can be perceived as rhetoric to appease the fans, and obviously nobody would ever be honest enough to say "I actually wanted to stay at Real Madrid but they didn't want me and United could afford me" But Di Marias' quotes were from a few years ago. If you saw the BBC interview and saw the look on Falcaos' face when he first entered the changing rooms at Old Trafford, you can see that was real. He was grinning like the proverbial Cheshire cat. Rojo genuinely seems over the moon and is always smiling.

Of course player loyalty is always in questions nowadays, but look at the recent loss of our own Welbeck. Do you believe what he said about Arsenal when he joined? The kind of loyalty shown by players like Giggs, Neville, Scholes and (no matter how he is hated) Gerrard are a dying breed. As long as the lads who signed in the summer play well and are constantly respectful about the club, I don't care if they are only here for the money. Managers can drop players as quickly as players can drop their clubs. I think the only time it becomes an issue is when, like Tevez, they constantly switch clubs then slate the previous club/player/manager/fans and also have no care about switching for rival teams. Could you see Messi leaving Barca for Madrid? Fabregas is a good example of what i'm trying to say. So far he has acted with dignity and respect regarding his switch to Chelsea, and that's after a 3 year absence.
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The Di Maria quotes are fake.
 
peterstorey said:
Absolutely. The only thing Hazard really excels at is manufacturing fouls.
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In fairness its true that he does it. But he is not the only thing he excels at.

You are thinking of Ashley Young who is terrified to stay on his feet and actually try to do something. He always looks for the soft free kick and stops any flow we have.
 
akash02 said:
I'd imagine both Lallana and Coutinho will start given how shite Markovic and Balotelli have been.
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Marković is injured anyway, out for a few weeks the last I heard.

Edit: scrap that actually, apparently it wasn't as bad as feared and he may even play in Serbia's next game.
 
Rooney in Dublin said:
Ah funny, I don't really get the comparison. Lallana seems more energetic than Berbs, but not quite as technically gifted.
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He is more energetic and not as technically gifted (in most areas), but he still lacks pace but has the ability to glide past players and draw fouls like Berbs. Probably not the bets comparison but that's just how I see Lallana.
 
langster said:
No, of course it all can be perceived as rhetoric to appease the fans, and obviously nobody would ever be honest enough to say "I actually wanted to stay at Real Madrid but they didn't want me and United could afford me" But Di Marias' quotes were from a few years ago. If you saw the BBC interview and saw the look on Falcaos' face when he first entered the changing rooms at Old Trafford, you can see that was real. He was grinning like the proverbial Cheshire cat. Rojo genuinely seems over the moon and is always smiling.

Of course player loyalty is always in questions nowadays, but look at the recent loss of our own Welbeck. Do you believe what he said about Arsenal when he joined? The kind of loyalty shown by players like Giggs, Neville, Scholes and (no matter how he is hated) Gerrard are a dying breed. As long as the lads who signed in the summer play well and are constantly respectful about the club, I don't care if they are only here for the money. Managers can drop players as quickly as players can drop their clubs. I think the only time it becomes an issue is when, like Tevez, they constantly switch clubs then slate the previous club/player/manager/fans and also have no care about switching for rival teams. Could you see Messi leaving Barca for Madrid? Fabregas is a good example of what i'm trying to say. So far he has acted with dignity and respect regarding his switch to Chelsea, and that's after a 3 year absence.
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Of course I don't believe a word of what these players so.

And I don't think many players sign just for money but it is certainly a huge factor. While your trio were certainly loyal, a large part of that will have been down to playing under Ferguson and winning trophy after trophy. I'm sure there were clubs at times who offered to pay them more but they were already earning a huge amount and winning trophies. The loyalty would most likely have dried up had Man Utd slipped into midtable or even stopped winning regularly.

And there's nothing wrong with that. Few are loyal in this game anymore so why we expect it from the players I don't know.
 
RobinLFC said:
I'd put Lallana on the level that Eriksen is right now. He's a tier below the very good playmakers like Isco, Pjanic, Cabaye, ... but he's miles away from the level Di Maria, Fabregas and David Silva are consistently reaching the last few years (Fabregas less so at Barcelona of course). Those last three players can have a big, immediate impact on a team and really take it to another level, whereas I think Lallana is a very good player in a team that's in full flow (like Liverpool was last year and even Southampton to a lesser extent) but won't take his team to the next level all by himself.

Although I agree that Silva has very good technical ability, to me it's not that what sets him apart. His vision and understanding of the game is what really makes him a top notch midfielders and one of the best in the world. Hazard has far more technical skills than Silva or Fabregas, imo.
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I feel that if he was in your team last season then he'd be significantly higher rated than he currently is, he's finding his feet and already shown some genuine class in the games I've seen him in this season.
BobbyManc said:
'technical ability/skills' is a term that doesn't really have a steadfast definition so it's down to interpretation but I can't see how Hazard has 'far more technical skills' than Silva no matter how you define them.
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Hazard is very good but is a little bit overrated on here, like Kroos became when he was linked with United. Hazard's good but Silva's another level.
ZDwyr said:
Lallana is nice to watch. He has the languid -almost Berbatov style- of play.
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I agree with this actually, he has a touch of class about his play.
 
gasmanc said:
Unless it's in the run in, I would say the most important dropped points last season was the slip at Chelsea and Crystanbul.
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Is it called Crystanbul because they lost to Crystal Palace or because it ended in tears? I could never figure out.
 
Everest Red said:
Is it called Crystanbul because they lost to Crystal Palace or because it ended in tears? I could never figure out.
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They lost a three goal lead just like AC milan did in Istanbul in 2005.

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langster said:
Like who? Di Maria has stated he has always loved United and wants to stay, Falcao has said he wants to play here for years to come and become a United Great. Rojo was like a little kid in a sweet shop and couldn't seem happier. Herrera has also said he wants to stay and admits he was close to coming here last season and Blind seems happy to have been recognised by a top club and is now getting pretty high praise and proving his worth.
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You're telling me these new signings have declared that they want to stay at the club they've just signed for? That's virtually unheard of in football.
 
BobbyManc said:
You're telling me these new signings have declared that they want to stay at the club they've just signed for? That's virtually unheard of in football.
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Touche!

Admittedly it was an obvious and pretty stupid thing to say, but I stand by the rest of the post(s) and still say there is no evidence that any of our new signings can be classed as mercenaries.
 
Everest Red said:
Is it called Crystanbul because they lost to Crystal Palace or because it ended in tears? I could never figure out.
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I thought it was a mocking reference to the Champion's League final comeback against Milan (where Liverpool came back from 3-0 down to draw 3-3, just as Palace did to end Liverpool's title hopes last year)?
 
jeff_goldblum said:
I thought it was a mocking reference to the Champion's League final comeback against Milan (where Liverpool came back from 3-0 down to draw 3-3, just as Palace did to end Liverpool's title hopes last year)?
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Yeah it's about Istanbul but the question was referring to the 'Cry' part, no? As in, is it a reference to Palace or a reference to the fact they were in tears at the end? It's the Palace bit, I think.
 
Tarrou said:
Yeah it's about Istanbul but the question was referring to the 'Cry' part, no? As in, is it a reference to Palace or a reference to the fact they were in tears at the end? It's the Palace bit, I think.
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Oh right, silly me. Yeah, I've always thought it was a Palace reference rather than a crying reference, at least I hope it is because that's a far better pun.
 
Tarrou said:
Yeah it's about Istanbul but the question was referring to the 'Cry' part, no? As in, is it a reference to Palace or a reference to the fact they were in tears at the end? It's the Palace bit, I think.
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Ah make more sense. Would it have been Crystanbul if they drew 3-3 to hull and still cried after the match?
 
langster said:
Touche!

Admittedly it was an obvious and pretty stupid thing to say, but I stand by the rest of the post(s) and still say there is no evidence that any of our new signings can be classed as mercenaries.
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Haha fair enough I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with your assessment, however, just the way you'd worded it. Although, I imagine if Di Maria had signed for City he'd have been widely labelled a mercenary in spite of the fact we'd just won the league and are playing Champions League football this year.

Certainly, I don't think Blind and Rojo can be labelled mercenaries as they've taken a step-up making the move. Likewise, Falcao is on loan so his wages will get paid regardless. Di Maria and Luke Shaw both remain open to the accusation, especially if the stories are true that Shaw turned down his boyhood team in the lure of higher wages. But I wouldn't say Di Maria is one. I can't imagine there is much change in what he was picking up at Madrid and what he is earning now, unless he was underpaid there for a player of his calibre.
 
BobbyManc said:
I can't imagine there is much change in what he was picking up at Madrid and what he is earning now, unless he was underpaid there for a player of his calibre.
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There was, significantly so. That's why he left.

Falcao is a textbook merc really. Left Atletico to play for bleeding Monaco, spent the summer tweeting HalaMadrid, then declares his boyhood love for United when they come calling.

Not that it matters really. Suarez is anything but loyal but he still cared more than anyone on the pitch.
 
B20 said:
Not that it matters really. Suarez is anything but loyal but he still cared more than anyone on the pitch.
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Not that it matters anymore, but I think Suarez definitely has a soft spot in his heart for Ajax and Liverpool. Barcelona and Real are childhood dreams for almost every South American player though.
 
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