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Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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Might as well, Lambert can't be any worse than Balotelli.
Lambert has looked like a pub player so far at Liverpool.
He has never even started a game for Liverpool in the EPL so far. He has received unnecessary flak here, even from me, but he is a good player and not a limited lumbering target man like many make him out to be. He has scored 28 goals and has 14 assists from his 2 seasons at Southampton and spearheaded their attack allowing the likes of Lallana and Rodriguez to shine as well. He is pretty good technically and passing-wise whilst his hold-up play is generally excellent. Would be way better than Balotelli right now and it's time Rodgers showed a bit of cojones and dropped the big names for the far more deserving ones.
I've watched a lot of Liverpool this season. Honestly, these are bang average in nearly every area of the pitch... We really should be finishing above them.
I agree, but they're still ahead of us. Which is worrying in itself.
Well we've a game in hand... And I'm hoping our slow start is down to a new manager and system as well as injuries, while Liverpool's slow start is down to average players and Sturridge's injury.
And down to the fact we've already played against three teams of last year's top six, whilst you had none. That said, our performances against Villa, West Ham and even today were inexcusable. We miss Sturridge badly.
You haven't bought well this summer at all really. Replacing Suarez was always impossible, but you look a completely different side now... More comparable to last seasons Manchester United than Liverpool. Rodgers has brought in players who cannot play to his system I think. I honestly reckon you'll finish sixth.
I agree that the first few games can't really be used to judge us, as it was a totally different team to the one LVG now has. I still think our defence is going to cost us points this season though, hopefully Liverpool's will cost them more. For me, its between us and them for 4th. If we properly click, we have to be massive favourites, but it'll take time.
Fair enough. But I didn't say we did buy well now, did I?
We're still looking for a decent run of games but I'm fairly confident that our players will pull theirselves together and start playing better football soon enough. Not saying it'll be football of last year's quality, but still certainly good enough to challenge for a top four spot.You'll push if it clicks, without a doubt. The only issue is how unforgiving the Premier League can be, we found that out last season.Fair enough. But I didn't say we did buy well now, did I?
Lallana and Moreno are the only one's who look good. Manquillo looks alright defensively but is gash going forward.
Oh I do love this poor purchases argument.
By Utd fans logic we must have have bought some serious world class players last season to finish on the same points as the champions. These were:
Toure, Sakho, Moses, Cissokho, Aspas, Alberto, Illori, Mignolet.
So now we come back to Suarez. Funny that, he wasn't even considered better than RvP or Rooney under Dalglish. David Brent?
By Utd fans logic we must have have bought some serious world class players last season to finish on the same points as the champions. These were:
Toure, Sakho, Moses, Cissokho, Aspas, Alberto, Illori, Mignolet.
So now we come back to Suarez. Funny that, he wasn't even considered better than RvP or Rooney under Dalglish. David Brent?
Possibly but I'd also wait a few months to draw significant conclusions. Can was bought as a first team option and has been injured so far.
Oh look, some of our resident Liverpool posters have returned after their shirty win.
So are they on top of the world again?
I think you've forgotten that Crystal Palace game.Oh I do love this poor purchases argument.
By Utd fans logic we must have have bought some serious world class players last season to finish on the same points as the champions. These were:
Toure, Sakho, Moses, Cissokho, Aspas, Alberto, Illori, Mignolet.
So now we come back to Suarez. Funny that, he wasn't even considered better than RvP or Rooney under Dalglish. David Brent?
its like clockwork, unbelievable.
Nowhere to be seen last weekend.
Get over yourself. Many of your recent purchases have been very poor and bring Rodgers ability in the market into question. Of course, the jury is still out on your new signings who need time to adapt and gel with their teammates, but it's not looking particularly promising for quite a few of them.Oh I do love this poor purchases argument.
By Utd fans logic we must have have bought some serious world class players last season to finish on the same points as the champions. These were:
Toure, Sakho, Moses, Cissokho, Aspas, Alberto, Illori, Mignolet.
So now we come back to Suarez. Funny that, he wasn't even considered better than RvP or Rooney under Dalglish. David Brent?
They've got their swagger back. Corner turned.
Oh I do love this poor purchases argument.
By Utd fans logic we must have have bought some serious world class players last season to finish on the same points as the champions. These were:
Toure, Sakho, Moses, Cissokho, Aspas, Alberto, Illori, Mignolet.
So now we come back to Suarez. Funny that, he wasn't even considered better than RvP or Rooney under Dalglish. David Brent?
That isn't United logic at all. The logic is you nearly won the league, you then lose one (and your best player), and thus go to spend an enormous amount of money to get hopefully that one step higher. In reality, you did not buy one star, you bought depth. One could argue, you could have kept the same side bar Suarez, replaced him with a star striker and you would be no worse off than last year. Instead you decided to buy a lot of players without really improving significantly in any areas. What is worse, ignoring the English player tax, you paid well over the odds for just about every player. By not buying a star player it looks at the moment that your players do not believe in themselves or their team, similar to United last year. So just about everyone, other than Liverpool fans, believe you bought poorly.
United, obviously were found out last year. This summer we lost 4 defenders (Rio, Vidic, Evra and Buttner) so had no choice but to replace them. We probably paid over the odds for Shaw and got Rojo and we are significantly weaker than last year in that department. By buying Blind, Herrera and Di Maria we have significantly improved our midfield's creativity (whilst getting rid of some players who had not progressed, e.g. Cleverley). And with the inclusion of Falcao, we have also improved in the front. Buying Di Maria and getting Falcao has certainly lifted the players. But for a brain fart against Leicester, LVGs new team would have a very promising start. Add to that we have introduced two youth products that though not the finished article certainly look like they may have a future.
Liverpool aren't relegation fodder, they will win games.
That said, I still think United will do a better job of outscoring teams. Both defences will concede a few but I think Liverpool will concede more and United also have a slightly better offence.
Liverpool are in their third season under this manager and United are in their first. I would be surprised going into our third season if we look like Liverpool do at the moment.
Long term I have no worries whatsoever however I would like to get fourth this season therefore the sooner the team start looking like what Louis van Gaal wants the better.
That said, I still think United will do a better job of outscoring teams. Both defences will concede a few but I think Liverpool will concede more and United also have a slightly better offence.
Liverpool are in their third season under this manager and United are in their first. I would be surprised going into our third season if we look like Liverpool do at the moment.
Long term I have no worries whatsoever however I would like to get fourth this season therefore the sooner the team start looking like what Louis van Gaal wants the better.
Oh I do love this poor purchases argument.
By Utd fans logic we must have have bought some serious world class players last season to finish on the same points as the champions. These were:
Toure, Sakho, Moses, Cissokho, Aspas, Alberto, Illori, Mignolet.
So now we come back to Suarez. Funny that, he wasn't even considered better than RvP or Rooney under Dalglish. David Brent?
Players improve, under dalglish Suarez was a pain but couldn't finish, he improved and became an all round top class player, but in Dalglish's season and Brendan's half season, Suarez was not as good as Rooney/RVP.... Just as there was a time Ronaldo was called a show pony at the was a list of Liverpool players better than him, he improved and become incomparable, it happens.
Oh I do love this poor purchases argument.
By Utd fans logic we must have have bought some serious world class players last season to finish on the same points as the champions. These were:
Toure, Sakho, Moses, Cissokho, Aspas, Alberto, Illori, Mignolet.
So now we come back to Suarez. Funny that, he wasn't even considered better than RvP or Rooney under Dalglish. David Brent?
From 5 European Cups to 'zat season'? Ah great...
If someone dares to level criticism at Liverpool this season prepare to get barraged with statements regarding the epic last season...
Ronaldo was a kid, can't compare him to Suarez under Dalglish. Any hoo glad to see my point being completely missed. Thankful almost. Made last season fun and should provide mirth this.
The number of missing Utd fans turning up after 11 months to notice LFC fans turning up after two weeks...you couldn't make it up.
They did well to overcome in form West Brom to be fair. Defence still shakey but Lallana, Sterling and Henderson looked good throughout. Rodgers already looks like he's not sure what to do with Baloteli.
Difference is, your used to being shit
The number of missing Utd fans turning up after 11 months to notice LFC fans turning up after two weeks...you couldn't make it up.
The RAWK thread went quiet last season for relatively big spells.
The only story with all this is that fans of all clubs follow a set pattern of behaviour - enjoy the highs of their own club and the lows of their rivals.
Ronaldo may have been a kid but the comparison stands, both Ronaldo and Suarez didn't have an end product at first but overcome this spectacularly, and Suarez wasn't as good as RVP/ Rooney in his first year, which was your point.
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The overall point was about Brendan, but its ok. We've gone far too leftfield.
Brendan's been well up the ladder in the list of problems that's derailed Liverpools "exciting football" though.
You would think having lost an irreplaceable attacker, shoring up a shaky defence would be sort of a priority, instead there an influx of random signings that basically fix nothing.
Most of us never went away.
Some stats and comments from the WBA match (mostly from Echo) :
Coutinho : whilst not at his best once more, brought a bit more control in the centre. His 94% pass accuracy is his best this season.
Henderson : the midfielder has now been involved in 40% of the Reds' league goals this season. Four chances created and 52 passes yesterday – third-highest in the Liverpool side.
Gerrard : had more touches than any other player, had a passing accuracy of 95% and made more chances – five – than any other player on the pitch, albeit some from set pieces.
Lallana : four dribbles. The Echo's Pearce & Walsh both gave him MoM.
Lambert : 33 touches in 64 minutes.
The Match (LFC first)
Shots : 19 (7) to 8 (4). Plus shots blocked 7 to 0. Accuracy 58.3% to 50%.
Possession : 54.6% to 45.4%. Passes 451 to 366. Passes Long : 13.5% to 19.4%. Accuracy 85.1% to 74.3%. Crosses 19 to 21.
Aerial Wins : 54.2% to 45.8%
Corners : 5 to 5
Tackles : 16 to 30. Won : 62.5% to 76.7%
My personal ratings : Ming 7, Moreno 7, Lovren 5, Skrtel 6, Manquillo 6 (Johnson 7), Lallana 8.5, Gerrard 8, Coutinho 6 (Lucas 5.5), Sterling 6, Henderson 8.5, Lambert 6 (Balo 7).
Conclusion
A far better performance in terms of substance, against a team whose confidence was exceptionally high, particularly in the midfield and in the closing down which was reminiscent of last season. Ming gave a far better impression of a keeper commanding his box, Lallana, Gerrard and Henderson were superb throughout .. I was surprised at Gerrard being full of running thru the full 90 mins after his 3 games in a week. Good tactical decisions by BR before and during the match.
I just didn't ever have the feeling that WBA were going to score, they had one or two half chances (which any team will get in any match) and I doubt they would have bar a ridiculous penalty decision (better to have them in matches you win though). We could and probably should have won this 2/3/4 to nil. Whilst by no means more than a 6 or 7/10 performance overall it was a much improved, professional, performance (bar Lovren in the 2nd half) and a step in the right direction. Looking forward to having our currently injured players (Sturridge, Allen & Can) back after the International break.
Coutinho : whilst not at his best once more, brought a bit more control in the centre. His 94% pass accuracy is his best this season.
Henderson : the midfielder has now been involved in 40% of the Reds' league goals this season. Four chances created and 52 passes yesterday – third-highest in the Liverpool side.
Gerrard : had more touches than any other player, had a passing accuracy of 95% and made more chances – five – than any other player on the pitch, albeit some from set pieces.
Lallana : four dribbles. The Echo's Pearce & Walsh both gave him MoM.
Lambert : 33 touches in 64 minutes.
The Match (LFC first)
Shots : 19 (7) to 8 (4). Plus shots blocked 7 to 0. Accuracy 58.3% to 50%.
Possession : 54.6% to 45.4%. Passes 451 to 366. Passes Long : 13.5% to 19.4%. Accuracy 85.1% to 74.3%. Crosses 19 to 21.
Aerial Wins : 54.2% to 45.8%
Corners : 5 to 5
Tackles : 16 to 30. Won : 62.5% to 76.7%
My personal ratings : Ming 7, Moreno 7, Lovren 5, Skrtel 6, Manquillo 6 (Johnson 7), Lallana 8.5, Gerrard 8, Coutinho 6 (Lucas 5.5), Sterling 6, Henderson 8.5, Lambert 6 (Balo 7).
Conclusion
A far better performance in terms of substance, against a team whose confidence was exceptionally high, particularly in the midfield and in the closing down which was reminiscent of last season. Ming gave a far better impression of a keeper commanding his box, Lallana, Gerrard and Henderson were superb throughout .. I was surprised at Gerrard being full of running thru the full 90 mins after his 3 games in a week. Good tactical decisions by BR before and during the match.
I just didn't ever have the feeling that WBA were going to score, they had one or two half chances (which any team will get in any match) and I doubt they would have bar a ridiculous penalty decision (better to have them in matches you win though). We could and probably should have won this 2/3/4 to nil. Whilst by no means more than a 6 or 7/10 performance overall it was a much improved, professional, performance (bar Lovren in the 2nd half) and a step in the right direction. Looking forward to having our currently injured players (Sturridge, Allen & Can) back after the International break.
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See there's a new scouse poster called Robin.
Good performances by Henderson and Lallana, but they were definitely helped by the fact WBA looked completely incompetent in the final third. Could've easily been a draw.
Yes it could have been a draw, but it could also have been a comfortable home win had WBA not been awarded that penalty which was outside the box.
I think Lallana will be a very good player for us now he is fully fit.