Lisandro Martinez | Signs for United

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People getting worked up over prices are probably the same people saying just pay the fecking money when it's dragging on.
 
What’s the issue? Is it your money?

If the people putting the money down think he’s worth it then whatever, who cares. There’s no reason to raise blood pressure over it !!!1

Do you say this sort of thing when the Glazers take money out of the club each year?
It's not your money after all.
 
What’s the issue? Is it your money?

If the people putting the money down think he’s worth it then whatever, who cares. There’s no reason to raise blood pressure over it !!!1

I really dislike this sentiment.

Would you like us to spend stupidly on every transfer and over pay on wages, go the route of Barca? We already have 500m plus in debt. I think the 2nd or 3rd largest debt for a European club.

Aside from that, we all want value for money. We've clearly overpaid here and that most likely is because we were caught up in the FDJ transfer and in the mean time Ajax sold Haller & Gravenberch meaning it strengthened Ajax bargaining.

It's a hefty sum of money and means he has to deliver, unlike say Malacia who brings little risk.
 
People getting worked up over prices are probably the same people saying just pay the fecking money when it's dragging on.

And also the genuises who don't realise that if we overpay £15-20m on a signing, there's 15-20m less for the next signing.
 
I really dislike this sentiment.

Especially as it often comes from the same people who think their £800 season ticket "pays the wages" of the players.
When in reality it probably pays for a couple of tea ladies for a shift or 2.
 
Damn, so bloody expensive.
Bet other clubs would get him for €5m.
How much money is it per inch?
Is he taller than Mellisa?
Oh, so many questions...

Anyway, welcome Lisandro. :drool:
Please, sort our defence. Thanks dear, good luck.
 
And also the genuises who don't realise that if we overpay £15-20m on a signing, there's 15-20m less for the next signing.

Exactly. The two fees now quoted for De Jong and Martinez means we will have no money left in the pot for anyone else. That’s leaves us with no back up striker, no natural RW, Dalot starting and one of McFred.
 
Do you say this sort of thing when the Glazers take money out of the club each year?
It's not your money after all.

I’m not a fan of the Glazers and their business practices, but it is their money. There’s nothing I can do about it so why get stressed?
I really dislike this sentiment.

Would you like us to spend stupidly on every transfer and over pay on wages, go the route of Barca? We already have 500m plus in debt. I think the 2nd or 3rd largest debt for a European club.

Aside from that, we all want value for money. We've clearly overpaid here and that most likely is because we were caught up in the FDJ transfer and in the mean time Ajax sold Haller & Gravenberch meaning it strengthened Ajax bargaining.

It's a hefty sum of money and means he has to deliver, unlike say Malacia who brings little risk.
It’s up to the accountants to ensure that doesn’t happen. I’m not one of them, so why would I bother about what is to a club like Manchester United, back of the sofa change?
 
Exactly. The two fees now quoted for De Jong and Martinez means we will have no money left in the pot for anyone else. That’s leaves us with no back up striker, no natural RW, Dalot starting and one of McFred.

And they're probably ranting on the Ronaldo thread about wanting him out, refusing to understand there's no money to get someone who can get us 20+ goals there.
Meaning it's clearly best if he stays a year, and then we have a whole season to work out a target there for next summer.
 
Exactly. The two fees now quoted for De Jong and Martinez means we will have no money left in the pot for anyone else. That’s leaves us with no back up striker, no natural RW, Dalot starting and one of McFred.
You knew we weren't gonna sign all those players right?

If we can shift a couple of players we might get more in but I'm not hopeful
 
I’m not a fan of the Glazers and their business practices, but it is their money. There’s nothing I can do about it so why get stressed?

It’s up to the accountants to ensure that doesn’t happen. I’m not one of them, so why would I bother about what is to a club like Manchester United, back of the sofa change?

I'm not stressed, just highlighting the fact we've overpaid.

He has to deliver now with a price tag like that attached.

Plenty here have already voiced concerns over his height / size in the most physical league in Europe.

I really hope he delivers, but its fair for any supporter to say we've over paid here.
 
You knew we weren't gonna sign all those players right?

If we can shift a couple of players we might get more in but I'm not hopeful

Ah the classic yearly thread with fanciful figures we're supposedly going to receive for our players.
We released most of the players we'd have sold for any sort of value and scraped in £10m for Pereira.

Who do you think is sellable now?
 
What’s the issue? Is it your money?

If the people putting the money down think he’s worth it then whatever, who cares. There’s no reason to raise blood pressure over it !!!1
If we overpay then naturally fees will become overinflated. It’s important to get as good a price as we can for that reason alone.
 
I really dislike this sentiment.

Would you like us to spend stupidly on every transfer and over pay on wages, go the route of Barca? We already have 500m plus in debt. I think the 2nd or 3rd largest debt for a European club.

Aside from that, we all want value for money. We've clearly overpaid here and that most likely is because we were caught up in the FDJ transfer and in the mean time Ajax sold Haller & Gravenberch meaning it strengthened Ajax bargaining.

It's a hefty sum of money and means he has to deliver, unlike say Malacia who brings little risk.

It is decent money, but the extra few quid makes no difference to the bolded part than if he was bought for the fee that was being quoted a few hours ago.
 
Ah the classic yearly thread with fanciful figures we're supposedly going to receive for our players.
We released most of the players we'd have sold for any sort of value and scraped in £10m for Pereira.

Who do you think is sellable now?
That's why I said I'm not hopeful. No need for the sarcastic tone
 
It's not their money though. At all.

They own the club outright. That money is in the clubs accounts. So yes, it is.
I'm not stressed, just highlighting the fact we've overpaid.

He has to deliver now with a price tag like that attached.

Plenty here have already voiced concerns over his height / size in the most physical league in Europe.

I really hope he delivers, but its fair for any supporter to say we've over paid here.
Everyone agreed that Liverpool overpaid for Van Dijk at the time. Hindsight is always 20/20.
 
I'm not stressed, just highlighting the fact we've overpaid.

He has to deliver now with a price tag like that attached.

Plenty here have already voiced concerns over his height / size in the most physical league in Europe.

I really hope he delivers, but its fair for any supporter to say we've over paid here.

The teams that seem to thrive with a tiny / non quick player at centre backs are teams who boss their league and have a high possession style of football.
Even then they often have counter measures, such as having players like Walker with outrageous pace/recovery skills next to them.

Hopefully we can move to the possession style of football, and this guy is as much of a ball playing, genius 1 on 1 man as has been described.

We were told Maguire's ideal partner was pacey though, which was what Varane was meant to be, especially having height on top.
So it'll be interesting which of the 2 this new guy replaces. It seems unthinkable we'll leave an 80m man out or Varane long term.
 
It is decent money, but the extra few quid makes no difference to the bolded part than if he was bought for the fee that was being quoted a few hours ago.

I think its the common consensus the higher the fee the greater the demands.
 
If we overpay then naturally fees will become overinflated. It’s important to get as good a price as we can for that reason alone.
Overpaying is all relatively and that’s for the clubs people to work out. I’ve thought plenty of players were bargains and went on to be dreadful, and plenty were overpriced and went on to be a steal.

The fact is we know absolutely nothing about the clubs relative finances and a players relative ability to play in the side being put together. It’s not worth the hysteria.
 
Overpaying is all relatively and that’s for the clubs people to work out. I’ve thought plenty of players were bargains and went on to be dreadful, and plenty were overpriced and went on to be a steal.

The fact is we know absolutely nothing about the clubs relative finances and a players relative ability to play in the side being put together. It’s not worth the hysteria.
I agree with you but I don’t really like needlessly overpaying.
 
The teams that seem to thrive with a tiny / non quick player at centre backs are teams who boss their league and have a high possession style of football.
Even then they often have counter measures, such as having players like Walker with outrageous pace/recovery skills next to them.

Hopefully we can move to the possession style of football, and this guy is as much of a ball playing, genius 1 on 1 man as has been described.

We were told Maguire's ideal partner was pacey though, which was what Varane was meant to be, especially having height on top.
So it'll be interesting which of the 2 this new guy replaces. It seems unthinkable we'll leave an 80m man out or Varane long term.

Absolutely hope he delivers and is as good for us as Ajax. Our CB problems are well documented for a long time.

I think it'll be himself and Harry, more so due to the fact Varane can't stay fit.
 
I'm not stressed, just highlighting the fact we've overpaid.

He has to deliver now with a price tag like that attached.

Plenty here have already voiced concerns over his height / size in the most physical league in Europe.

I really hope he delivers, but its fair for any supporter to say we've over paid here.
No he doesn’t have to deliver shit. Stop trying to put unnecessary pressure on a player we haven’t bought yet. You are acting like we paid 100 million for him. Spurs literally spent 60 million on a back up striker, Arsenal about to spend 35-40 million on a backup LB.

I love this club but I hate the fans very much OMG. Sometimes I want the club to fail because fans like you don’t deserve to celebrate success with the club.

Talking about he has to deliver now. How so? You are not even going to give him half a season to adjust to the league? The I want it now mentally is mind boggling.
 
Has to be said, Ajax played that perfectly, got what they wanted + 4M for fun. He must be better than Ben White :o
 
Just few days back it was 55m euros maximum. Will wait for likes of Ducker to confirm the price.
 
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