Banned for being an embarrassment.
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 45
- Clean sheets
- 20
- Goals
- 1
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 10
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Massively disappointed in him today, along with Casemiro. Was really optimistic that at least we had enough fight in our squad by now for games like this to stop happening, but evidently not and the rebuild continues. At least Casemiro has the excuse of (possibly) carrying a knock.
Still love him though. I'm sure whatever auld fella Betis have up front these days is going to get a fecking kicking midweek.
Still love him though. I'm sure whatever auld fella Betis have up front these days is going to get a fecking kicking midweek.
Unlucky to not get a red card in first half. Awful today.
Nice jinx. Should be said however that these three guys only had 1 or maybe 2 clean sheets in four months.
Nice jinx. Should be said however that these three guys only had 1 or maybe 2 clean sheets in four months.
And if anyone disagrees with me, in the last 25 minutes, this clown has slated Martinez, Casemiro and ETH as all not being good enough.
Worst game since Brentford away.
But probably excused as everyone was poor today.
But probably excused as everyone was poor today.
Horrible today. Him and Casemiro were a disgrace.
This guy is obviously a rival fan trolling.
Ban him
I love this man, but he had a curse on him today. Worst I've seen him play.
I had no idea he has such an awful game in him.
Salah beat him twisting and turning for the 2nd Gakpo goal. Nobody was tracking his run. Konate missed a header after getting away from him on a corner.
Other than that and overplaying once to avoid giving away a throw and losing the ball, I thought he was fine and easily our best defender.
Actually in that counter against us Shaw is with Salah. Then he doesnt bother to track him so Lisandro comes across to try and deal with him. Then Shaw doesnt bother to track the Gakpo run inside either. So yeah Salah beat him but the main issue there was Shaw
Other than that and overplaying once to avoid giving away a throw and losing the ball, I thought he was fine and easily our best defender.
Actually in that counter against us Shaw is with Salah. Then he doesnt bother to track him so Lisandro comes across to try and deal with him. Then Shaw doesnt bother to track the Gakpo run inside either. So yeah Salah beat him but the main issue there was Shaw
It’s quite something to have undergone the batterings he has and still be viewed entirely positively as a new centre back. We’ve conceded more goals after 25 games this season than we did last season.
His bottom level is fecking low isn't it? I do worry that people are overhyping him.
Would be twice as many without him. He's held off more of these scorelines
If that statement is true, you must think ETH is doing a terrible job and all the other defenders and midfielders are horrific.
So you don't think he's been good this season?
Worst performance since Brentford but he was hung out to dry repeatedly today by Fred, Casemiro and Shaw. He was constantly on an island against much quicker players so many times with no United player anywhere near. Still in my mind the best player in this team after Rashford.
Disgrace.
Our fan base is honestly diabolical
Must be talking about yourself there
Picking one player out from this embarrassment.. He was the same shit as the rest
I didn’t even think he was that bad today. Oddly
All action but once he's in a one v one outside the box his limitations are exposed, which is fair enough but Antonio and Salah have skinned him.
Now, every defender gets done but he needs to just back of and buy time.
He has good technique on the ball and is a solid defender.
Now, every defender gets done but he needs to just back of and buy time.
He has good technique on the ball and is a solid defender.
It’s a weird one. I’m pretty sure he’s been good, but I’ve also been in the camp that he’s been a little overrated, and I think Casemiro and ETH have made a much bigger, more tangible difference. I’m not sure how much different our season would have been without him.
I’m just struggling to interpret why many of our other and previous CBs have been so maligned, yet Martinez and Varane get all their bad games excused away.
He played too emotionally today
This is the unfortunate part of such a large fan base, you can find reason in most but, then you will absolutely get those few that are so so very desperate to be "right" on the internet, that they will come out soon as there is a moment to grab on to - even though they have the most asinine opinions to share.
Yes very poor game from him but, being found out is such a stupid thought when there is a slew of games to say otherwise. And when you think about how that early tackle and little nudge against Salah in the home game set the tone for that game and kick started what has not only been a very good season so far for the team but, also to his own season to being one of the best defenders in the league - trying to be "right" about him being not good enough is Souness levels of desperation.
Hes not overrated
I’ve seen people talk about him as arguably the best CB in the league, and mentioned him in positive comparisons with Vidic and Ferdinand. Our defensive record makes such talk lamentable.
Martinez has conceded 1.7 goals per 90 minutes this season which is not really amazing tbh. That equals 65 goals in a full season. I doubt we would concede 130 goals without him.
Today isn't the day to pick players and criticize. Every one of them was diabolical. I don't think there is one player who deserves a 4 out of 10 today.
I think he inherited a poor defence and midfield defensively. Lisandro and Casemiro have been great improvements on that. But I thought we needed 3 out of our 4 CBs and DMs improved. We got 2, not 3 in the summer.
So does it surprise me that we're still too easy to play against and that 2 players didnt do the job? No. But until this result I wasnt how much more we needed. It had started to feel like we might get by with just those 2.
I agree. I like him for what he brings on the ball, but I don't think of our defence as solid. It's a bit chaotic and last ditch at times (which is more eye catching).
While it is too early for that, not even 1 season finished, Ferdinand and Vidic were playing with much better players. They had each other. They had a better midfield protecting them. And so on
If you just transplanted Ferdinand or Vidic into the team alone they wouldnt be playing how you remember them among better players. Vidic especially used to have much worse performances than Lisandro Vs. Salah today when he would play against Torres. And again thats among better players... Likewise if you put Lisandro next to Ferinand or Vidic in that previous team he'd have an easier time. So yeah.
He was excellent in the first half, then the team fell off a Cliff. Funny how some haters were quiet and appear today. Shame on them.
Was decent in the first half. Lost it in the second half just like everyone else.
Not our worst player on the pitch today.
Not our worst player on the pitch today.
Don't know why people are blaming Martinez, the whole team was shit today.
He's been one of our best players all season one performance doesn't change that
He's been one of our best players all season one performance doesn't change that
He quite obviously is one of the best CBs in the league. Defensive records are team related
He wasnt. First half especially he came to our aid a couple of times to stop likely goalscoring chances.
2nd half he was mostly not involved in where the opponents attacked and scored from other than Salah going past him and playing the ball into Gakpo to finish and lost 1 header to a liverpool CB on a defensive corner. Thats it.
Of course Rio and Vidic would never make 2 mistakes in a single match
The most important part is its just 1 match. If it was happening regularly like all our other CBs have done before this season then thats an issue. Thats why we signed a new CB
You’re such a strange poster. So full of odd notions. Martinez has been objectively excellent this season. That’s why he’s rated highly. Mad that you would “struggle to interpret” this. Use your fecking eyes.
In other news, Shaw has also been very good this season. And was considerably worse than Martinez today. Football, eh?
Martinez doesn’t concede goals. The team concedes goals.
How? He was the best in the first half, had that goal saving tackle on Nunez alongwith his passing being as good as usual
I remember just one bad moment against Salah when he slipped and maybe that tackle on Gakpo. How is that a disgrace?
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