No-one “has” to do anything but English is the International language. It’s used by all referees to talk to players, most new players joining would speak it before Spanish and he’s a multi multi fecking millionaire, so more to the point is why would he not learn English?
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No-one “has” to do anything but English is the International language. It’s used by all referees to talk to players, most new players joining would speak it before Spanish and he’s a multi multi fecking millionaire, so more to the point is why would he not learn English?
It could be the wrong move for Messi, if he fails to live up to expectations then everyone is gonna chose Ronaldo has the best player ever as he’s done it in the best league in the world, Also what happens if they sign him and they still don’t win the champions league? There will be no more excuses for little citeh.
I am a swede Living in Sweden with much less free time than Messi and can speak several languages including English. Can be very useful to understand and Communicate when your’e abroad on vacation don’t you think? He’s a multi fecking millionaire. Have millions of fans that speak English. Many of his teammates speak English. How can he not learn it? Its baffling.
If he's still legally contracted to Barca how can he agree to terms with City? How can City legally offer him terms?
I'm assuming Barca has not permitted other clubs to speak to him.
I'm assuming Barca has not permitted other clubs to speak to him.
I guess your are from Sweden and as most people there you have a good english but I guess also that many english men don't speak another language.
Why should Messi know english when he never had too? I bet most argentinian don't speak english.
I am from France and most people don't speak english as well. We are so bad at teaching and learning it.
I speak three languages as I wasn't born in France. But I know english only because I went in NZ for a while. As I said, in school here de are very bad at it
I am just saying don't take it for granted that it is everywhere as in Sweden.
I net it is ten time easier to learn it when every tv show is with subtitles. In France everything is translated ans it is not good to learn english.
All I am saying is if you don't practice by your job or hobbies and if you have not travelled on a coutry where everything is in your own language it is not that simple.
By the way Messi is a millionaire, he just need to focus on football, everything else on on a silverplate for him.
And I don't think he wants to communicates with fans. To be famous is not easy, you can never go somewhere without bring disturbed, it must be hell to be honest.
If you were City, would you swap him for Sterling, Walker and Aguero?
Ah the good old attack the posters "intention" if you`re unable to fight the arguments. I don`t give a shit about City, I actually would like to see them get Messi simply for the fact that I would like to see him in another league. Given that the club I mainly support will linger in lower league football for the forseeable future I am quite apathetic towards the big clubs. I don`t belittle their success I just call it out for what its down to: money. The difference they`ve put in between them and other clubs is not down to being smarter, more progressive or more innovative. They simply could afford to spend big on every freaking aspect there is in professional football.
You always pull up strawmen like bad management of ManUnited or Schalke just to legitimize that logic, if any other club had such a shitshow of transfer blunders like City in recent years you would be the first to put that down to shit management, yet because it does not hurt them financially it`s just "a setback on the road". If you have an infinite money stream you can simply afford to blunder on every instance. While for other clubs the question to hire an additional scout or to extend the stadium are big financial decisions with huge potential downsides, City don`t have to think twice, they just spent and figure out if it worked afterwards.
City spent big on every level related to professional football while still being the biggest net spender on transfers, they don`t have to consider or balance like other clubs whatsoever. But clowns like you act that they`re just the smarter kid in class that has success because its "long term vision" and innovation while all the other kids are just to dumb to comply with this strategic masterclass.
Yeah, I`m just as apathetic, I simply dislike people telling fairytales.
I have a feeling that signing Messi will be their Alexis Sanchez moment
But can play the piano?
If he signs for city, can we borrow stoke field for the derby?
Very little chance of that.
I’m retrospect Sanchez was crap at Arsenal for 6 months prior to leaving, we all thought it was because he wanted to leave, unfortunately we now know his legs were shot, and over the hill he was.
Messi has lots left, Sanchez couldn’t do it physically, Messi can - it’s just whether he has the mentality to play for two years on the PL?
I think he'll stay.
Just can't see him leaving.
Just can't see him leaving.
The only reason he can still do it physically is because he spends half his time walking around the pitch. I’m not sure he’d get away with that at City. Not that I think he’d flop like Sanchez given he’s a much better player.
Fair point. I think City will make him up his game if he goes there.
good point
This argument of "Ronaldo is better because he has done it in different leagues" is flawed quite simply because if you actually watch the 2 players over the course of their career, there is no doubt that messi has always been a level above Cristiano.
And in any case, Messi's record vs the top English teams us far superior to Cristiano's despite that later playing 6 seasons in England.
Now, to the argument that people will consider Cristiano to be better if Messi doesn't succeed in England. What people should realise is that whoever signs him is getting the unquestionably the best player of his generation and arguably the GOAT but he is 33 and can no longer run through entire defences the way only he could during his peak years therefore he relies more on his teammates to stretch the opposition to open up space and to make runs so he can find them. And he isn't the kind of player who hides behind easy goals to paper over dreadful performances.
Can't believe there are people who say that they don't want Messi. ANY team will be miles better with Messi. He is still the best player in the world by a decent margin.
If he goes to City they will become the favorites to win anything, hope that doesn't happen.
If he goes to City they will become the favorites to win anything, hope that doesn't happen.
Throwing a grenade is the Argentinian way of requesting a transfer
Good post. People love to overate and repackage what city have done over the last few years. As if Mangala, Danilo, Bravo etc didn’t happen.
Very easy to rectify your mistakes when you have a bottomless pit of cash.
Unless City are offering Messi stupid money, money that Barcelona cannot even dream of competing against, then I can't see him leaving where he is comfortably settled. Plus it seems likely City will have to pay Barca an astronomical transfer fee on top, because his escape clause has expired.
And how would any of this fit within FFP? Given the huge amount of money all this will cost, there's surely no way City can get away with it this time?
And how would any of this fit within FFP? Given the huge amount of money all this will cost, there's surely no way City can get away with it this time?
Maybe on a free and a 1 or 2 year contract, given he would want huge wages.
Anyone who would pay 100mill euros plus players plus huge wages for a player of his age is either mad or (possibly in City's case) prepared to spunk a couple of hundred mill or more up the wall (and feck FFP) in a roll of the dice that an aging Messi can finally give them CL success before age gets to him. A huge financial gamble and one United should go nowhere near.
Force majeure on the date of expiry on the escape clause due to it being tied to the end of the league campaign which changed after the pandemic. I’m guessing that is how they will pull this off, though I am far less versed on European law than American so take that with a large pinch of salt.
If he makes it to City, I hope it costs them dearly.
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SO in the very unlikely event Messi ends up here....the very thought of Solksjaer managing a superstar like Messi (a player who tends to dictate how a team plays and one with a huge influence over broader club matters), is quite difficult to digest.
He’s going to city, it’s a done deal. Trust me
While signing Messi sounds like a no-brainer, I do wonder if it's more of a gamble than people might think. The one non-Barcelona data point we have for his performance is when he was playing for Argentina, and it's generally agreed that he was a shadow of his usual self most of the time for them. He's been part of the Barca machine for, what, about 15 years now and I'm not convinced that he'd be able to make the transition to another team as easily as some people think.
As I pondered above, how can he and City negotiate? Has Barca given approval to do such?
Wouldn't they have discussed this through intermediaries?
I don't think messi would have announced he was leaving without having the next club lined up.
Agreed.
Would be pretty stupid to compare a 24 yo Ronaldo with a 33 yo Messi. Only if Ronaldo comes back to the PL now we would have a fair comparison.
Why would City be afraid of FFP right after they showed FFP was nothing this summer?
The Lionel Messi being available and you are worried about FFP? With such mentality, I guess Manchester United really deserve the state we are in today...
The only upside of this transfer would be looking at those on their high horses looking down on City because "Petrol dollars are scum and they are just lottery winners...blah blah blah" getting eggs on their faces when Messi lands at Etihad and really blows it in their faces who have truly become the big club in Manchester. Manchester United being the biggest club in the world is something that needs to be earned and maintained, not taken for granted like the bubbles in their heads. They refuse to see the present as it is, and Messi arriving at City would burst their bubbles soon.
There is likely a verbal/gentlemen agreement with the player facilitated by the agent. You’re unlikely to find any legal signatures on paperwork. It’s hard to prove these verbal agreements. I would think of it as the next logical step in tapping up the players.
Close to twenty. Hey I hear where you're coming from, but let's say this: we sign Messi and it doesn't entirely work out. Does anyone blame you for taking a flyer on the greatest player of our generation?
This was decided before the 8-2 to Bayern. Messi has been at odds with this insanely toxic board for years. Each year his patience got thinner and thinner. But this past season was the end of the line.
The board don’t want to go to court, they’ll want 100M and some players. City will do this as FFP has relaxed their rules during covid. City have a spending budget for this transfer window.
cant compare Sweden to Spain. I actually lived in both places and in Sweden almost everybody speaks English (or at least has some sort of knowledge) whereas in Spain things aren’t like that. It’s changing a bit the past years but not enough to be anywhere close to Sweden. He lives where he speaks the main language (or one of the main two if you factor in Catalan). So he never really had to learn English. Also like somebody else here mentioned most English shows and movies in Spain used to be dubbed (and not just subtitled like in Sweden). This is gradually starting to change but nowhere near enough to be anything close to Sweden where for instance most universities teach masters in English as the main language and cinemas show English movies in English etc.
The contract is not available yet, but if the contract say it has to be communicated before June, then there is no other way around it, no matter what support he gets, legally it's not possible.
Also it is very very important for Barca to keep hold of Messi, because the it will be a huge blow if he leaves. He will not sit on bench, so they will fight tooth and nail.
Also it is very very important for Barca to keep hold of Messi, because the it will be a huge blow if he leaves. He will not sit on bench, so they will fight tooth and nail.
What would the ruling be on his free transfer/paid transfer clause that ended in june be in court ? Would they be more likely side with messi as the season was extended or not ?
Its not a gamble. Messi under Guardiola will dominate the league and be comfortably the best player in Europe, just as he has been the last several years. There's almost no chance of him failing, unless he simply disconnects mentally from football and stops giving a crap, which i find extremely unlikely.
If he's focused on winning, he wont be stopped. You cant stop Messi if he wants to win, you can just stop the other 10 players on the pitch and hope he doesnt outscore you. With a good team next to him, hes winning trophies, hes a cheatcode.
City has closet style of football to Barca though, especially under Pep. If Messi ever played for another club, City would be the easiest for him.
A swede learning English is simply not the same as someone from Argentina. Very different cultures. Swedish doesnt really get you anywhere so you basically have to learn it. Messi doesnt.
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