I'm too upset with the demise of Hong Kong to argue Ronaldo v Messi currently.
Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that, I hated the way the NBA handled it. Keep your head up!
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Oh man, I'm so sorry to hear that, I hated the way the NBA handled it. Keep your head up!
Yes, an all time assist record that covers the top 5 leagues truly is remarkable. And Ronaldo has done well too
Why must you overcompensate? These are players with weaknesses. Just accept Messi's and move on. Sure, reality is a lie.It'll be done again and Messi will win once again. Maybe on a CR7 forum Ronaldo can finally edge ahead.
3 CL exits in a row 2 of them from Toal meltdowns.
In the same time he won a 3 peat he won a euro with Portugal. It would take a crazy feat for him to be surpassed now.
Plenty of United fans are upset with the manner he left, but that "vote" was 50-50 at one stage and lost all credibility with mod meddling since then.
Anyway, like I said, I'll just enjoy United finally looking a little better and the demise of Barca for now.
His lack of tracking back is brutal. But playing a massively superior bayern team isn't messi's fault.
And yet all the major managers still take Messi over ronaldo if we are being honest. Eder scoring with ronaldo on the sidelines doesn't change that
His lack of leadership and weak mentality at the biggest stage is something to talk about though mate.
It'll be done again and Messi will win once again. Maybe on a CR7 forum Ronaldo can finally edge ahead.
Just checked the CR7 forum and Messi is up 53%-47% but maybe that will change.
Crock of crap mate. He has delivered in countless finals
Bloody hellHonestly, Messi does need to work on keeping his head up. I agree, but I just can't fault him for Bayern and Liverpool (Roma was the worst I'd ever seen him play)
Have you done a survey on that? I'm just curious how you arrived at that conclusion.
I think after all these years, one thing is very clear - Messi needs a team built around his style of play, Ronaldo can slot into different formations/style of play much more easily.
At their age, I'm not sure all the major managers will want to build a team around Messi.
Probably, but they wouldn't around Ronaldo either. Honestly, any google result from 2020 where the question is brought up and 90% have said Messi if you search. Including Klopp, any manager for a german club, la liga managers.
Alright im off to get breakfast..
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Alright im off to get breakfast..
Ham egg and cheese on a plain bagel or a toasted tuna bagel? I cant decide
ham egg and cheese for sure. I'd 8-2 tell you otherwise
That poll was rigged. Never forget.
The point being Ronaldo doesn't need a team built around him.
Anyway, I do recommend moving this conversation to this thread:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/mes...ble-your-daily-salt-allowance.400526/page-516
Messi has thrived in various different setups. Played LW, false 9 and 10 successfully in 4-3-3, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2 and without any noticeable drop in quality. He also played successfully under various managers with different philosophies. Guardiola, Enrique, Valverde. Barcelona has changed multiple times quite drastically during Messi's career. There are even tactical analyses in which the authors claim that Messi's position adapted from season to season based on the deficiencies of his team mates not his because he could play different roles without his performances becoming worse. It's just a false accusation that he can only excel in one environment. Hell, even for Argentina he's been great overall and this team didn't play like Barca at all.
I am leaning that was too actually, Finally something we can agree onham egg and cheese for sure. I'd 8-2 tell you otherwise
They can get away with it most of the time in la liga, but having two attackers who barely does any defending really hurts at this level.
Of course, Messi most of the time makes up for it and then some with his briliance, but then you have Suarez who also does not defend, and is on the decline too.
I would say that a team can probably afford one luxury player, but 2 luxury players in knockouts? No sir, that just wont do.
Barca needs to get rid of Suarez and replace him with a hard-working striker, or play Messi up front and get a hardworking wide attacker imo.
Of course, Messi most of the time makes up for it and then some with his briliance, but then you have Suarez who also does not defend, and is on the decline too.
I would say that a team can probably afford one luxury player, but 2 luxury players in knockouts? No sir, that just wont do.
Barca needs to get rid of Suarez and replace him with a hard-working striker, or play Messi up front and get a hardworking wide attacker imo.
People talk about attitude, lack of pressing blabla, but it came down to Bayern just fielding a much much better XI than Barca position by position on the field. Semedo, Pique, Roberto, Vidal at AM..
Eder wouldn't have scored without Ronaldo hogging all the attention from the sidelines. He probably distracted the goal keeper and the defenders.
Exactly. Bayern's squad is better than Barcelona's. It's that simple.
One man can make the difference in football, however only if their teammates are at the level needed to give them a platform.
If it was a question of two or three Bayern players being better than their opposite numbers in the Barca team that'd have been one thing. When it's nine or ten players though...
Not even Messi is that great.
You cant drop somebody in another team and argue whether they would perform or not. But this Barcelona team is Messi's, it is built around him and designed for him to perform. If he cant do that he is as much to blame as anybody else. Somebody who needs perfect conditions to perform is not the GOAT, in the same way Pep is not as a manager.
But the team hasn’t built very well around him has it? There is nothing about this aging squad with players who can barely run much less defend that is “perfect” for him. It’s far from perfect. Nobody looks at this Barca squad outside of Messi and says “wow, this squad is perfect for modern football” quite the opposite. Messi has gotten the team to OVER achieve in recent years considering multiple seasons had the second best scorer be Own goal in CL. If anything Messi has had to move around the pitch to accommodate the team, not the other way around
This is exactly it. Messi was bad yesterday but the loss wasn’t his fault. The team needs to go nuclear and as a fan of Barca this low key may be the best thing to happen to us as it finally forces the boards hand.
Absolutely disgusting on the 7th Bayern goal. Lost the ball by being dispossesd and then continued to do nothing about it while Bayern drove in for their 7th.
Was a ghost all game.
Was a ghost all game.
Yup Messi has more MOTM awards in CL finals than Ronaldo despite playing half as many games. Aside from the Juve game, Ronaldo usually disappears and relies on Ramos or Bale on the biggest stage.
He scored our only goal in the 2008 final. Botched his penalty though.
Total bs, he was largely instrumental in the only goal they got from open play. Wasn’t good, but was still a top 2 player for the team although it was a bad performance for everyone.
On that basis there is no GOAT at all then. Assuming people think other contenders don't have teams built to service them and highlight their strengths.
The managers for the greats always tell the rest of the players to make it as difficult for their Pele, Maradonna and Messi as possible. "Rather than play a perfectly weighted pass to his right foot, just smash up in his face! It's gotta be hard for him or he's never earned it.".
You know of all these "GOAT" players the only one who actually mostly played for an underdog team was Maradonna and that was because his lack professional got him kicked out of Barcelona. Neither Messi, Pele, Cryuff, Beckenbauer or Stefano played for underdog teams at club level.hhhhh
What he's saying isn't a lie though?
I don't think Messi was a ghost all game, he had a decent first half. The second half was bad.
One of the goals was a last min penalty against Atletico when they were already winning 3-1 after being saved by Ramos and Bale. So what I said still holds.
Fair play he scored against Chelsea but bottled the pen and had to rely on a comical mishap from Terry.
If you're going with he's "been great" for Argentina there's no need to discuss this.