This is the leader/Captain at halftime. When you should be rallying your team together.
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I doubt they wouldn’t make that money back in shirt sales and also other sponsorship deals. He’s the best there ever was. He would also have to be protected and rotatedPep had dropped Agüero and only put him back in when he began to do the work off the ball. I doubt that he’d decline a chance to get Messi for free, but he’ll still cost something around 200m and there’s no way he’ll agree to pay that much for a player.
He was an idiot in the 2006 World Cup, happens to all of them
Messi needs to leave Barcelona, the club is in ruins.
He certainly shouldnt be spending the final 3 years of his career in a team going through a rebuild job, he needs a ready built team.
Hypothetical question - how many of us will take him at United for couple of years ? Lets say reasonable fees and his actual wages?
Hypothetical question - how many of us will take him at United for couple of years ? Lets say reasonable fees and his actual wages?
So he should get credit for losing 2-8?A "few goals" don't tend to happen on their own. He didn't get any credit for the foe the goal and assist he got against France in the WC. It doesn't matter. It's a team sport. Putting a penalty away to make you lot happy is irrelevant.
Who is giving him credit? It's a collective collapse by Barcelona and not just one on the pitch.So he should get credit for losing 2-8?
Look, Messi has been a great player for Barca this season. But the team is build around him and he is big part of it, you can’t just let him take all the credits when the team is winning, and at the same time free from any blame when his team is losing big while he is strolling around and contributes nothing. It doesn’t work that way. If he is genuinely GOAT, should at least lead by example and contribute back a goal or 2, even when his team is hopeless to defend any goals.
No. But if he could contribute a few goals, maybe would make the scoreline look a little less humuliating though. Afterall he is getting paid 1.3m per week, which is more than half of Bayern team added together. While the whole Barca team is basically build around him, letting him just strolling around the pitch, he can't be always free from any blame.
Its always something though isn't it?
"Oh but his teammates missed"
"Oh but he did good before the 5 goals"
"Oh but the team"
"Oh its Higuain...Also its Suarez....Wait no its Aguero"
He did his job. He literally scored all over Juve's goals.And what’s Ronaldo’s excuse in CL this year and last?
He did his job. He literally scored all over Juve's goals.
I like how Messi being instrumental in Barcelona's choices of players/coaching staff over the last few years is completely overlooked and that he's the one being hard done by...
"you either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian"
Sure he did. Was superb in the game at Lyon. Did his job there as well.He did his job. He literally scored all over Juve's goals.
Who is giving him credit? It's a collective collapse by Barcelona and not just one on the pitch.
He doesn't need to score a goal in torrential batterings to prove he's the "GOAT". Scoring or impacting two goals against France in that hapless Argentina display didn't make him the greatest. And not winning a WC final won't keep him from being that. He's clearly the best footballer I've ever seen. But yes, Barcelona have major issues , that much is clear. To pin point on the player whose carried them for years, is bizarre. And we know who the ones pushing that motion in this thread are and what their agenda is anyway.
Sorry I dont see GOAT getting demolished 8-2 or equivalent in any sports. It’s like Michael Jordan got swept in first round to 8th seed team.
Meh. When we got battered by City 6-1, we didn't jump on Rooney's peformance. Anyhoo, maybe he was poor, maybe he was decent. Either way, Barcelona have large problems to fix. If anything, being have to be carried by any one player is an issue. But their spending and mismanagement is the root cause they need to fix.No one is pin pointing him for the loss. But he should take part of the blame, that’s all, no need to act so dramatic and re-emphasizing his greatness in moment like this. He is great player we all know that, he has a bad game and Barca losing 2-8, also no need to defend that.
He wouldn’t be fine for any of those teams. Those are the 3 most team-oriented teams in the world, where every player has to, you know, break into a sweat. Look at the way all 3, especially Bayern, press. The old bulldog Messi would have been perfect for those teams and systems, but not this one. I agree that he’ll be the first one out, and that’ll be a sad day for football.No he doesn't, he didn't run or do any donkey work throughout his entire career. Guardiola even said there is a reason for that and why he encouraged it Put him in the Bayern team or the City team or on the right wing for Liverpool and he'd be absolutely fine.
Your last sentence is very true though, we are starting to see the decline of them both (have been for maybe two years) and I think Leo will be the first one out. He looks like he has no love for football at the minute.
No thanks. Why sign the laziest player ever?Hypothetical question - how many of us will take him at United for couple of years ? Lets say reasonable fees and his actual wages?
Me. I know he said reasonable fees and wages, but that isn’t happening as there’ll be riots in Catalonia if they get rid of him on the cheap. So, at least £100m and £1m/w for only a maximum two years of brilliant service instead of getting Sancho for ten? No thank you, even though I think he’s still the joint best player in the world with Lewandowski.Do you genuinely think anyone is going to say no?
Non-starter, for a similar price, Ronaldo would be a much better choice.Do you genuinely think anyone is going to say no?
We didn't watch us vs Barcelona last season?Wow first time I’ve seen Messi really in a few years...he’s a shell of the player he used to be. Barely moves, like a walking footballer. He’s actually a liability to a top team now as crazy as that sounds and his attitude seems very questionable
Not surprising. You literally have to be blind to the fact that when the going gets tough Messi does not get going.
It’s not an accident that Ronaldo has double the goals of Messi in the creme de la creme aka the knockout rounds of the champions league.
We didn't watch us vs Barcelona last season?
Messi is now final third players. Keeping him further away from goal or isolating him now can work. He's no longer an alien. However this liability term throwing around Messi and Ronaldo is just silly. In a tie game, they are still among the best difference makers. They're being compared to their best self, not to the peers.
Cause he's the most talented player ever. That doesn't have anything to do with his work rate.And yet he set an all time assist record this season.
pretty sure he has 30 odd goals against pl teamsDo you know we've had debate over the years who is best? Ronaldo or Messi? I've changed my mind so many times. One min I think Messi and then Ronoaldo based on who had the better season. Now ive come to the conclusion ( and many will disagree ) it's defenitly Ronaldo, and here's why.
Ok we know Messi had has one more ( 6 )Ballon d'or than Ronaldo (5) you could argue during seasons 2009/10/11/12 that Messi was the best and somethng that many would agree on.
However, over the last 7 years Ronaldo has won it 4 times compared to Messi 2.
This is the difference for me that make Ronaldo the greatest player in the world, well at least at the moment till things may change Again.
Ronaldo has done it in Spain, Italy, Portugal & England. More importantly he's been a success every club where he's played for, let's not forget he played in some inferior teams when you compare them with messi. He's been successful on the biggest stage of the world in the World Cup.
Where has Messi done. it? Basically only ever played for one club in the world ( Spain ) Barcalona. He's never done it in the world club even though some of that's down to them not having a great side.
It's well advertised the hardest league in the world to win in is the Premier League. He's never played against our boys. Being at Barcalona week in week out he's playing against inferior opposition and surrounded totally buy world class players in Barcalona. No wonder he's scoring all the time with players like that round him. Ronaldo has never had that luxury and always done it the hard way..
No.... For me Ronaldo over the last ten years deserves to be named the greatest player in the world. It's now official
Oh, the infamous shirt sales! He’d cost what, close to 200m even without a salary?I doubt they wouldn’t make that money back in shirt sales and also other sponsorship deals. He’s the best there ever was. He would also have to be protected and rotated
This match didn’t tell us anything new about Messi honestly. He is too dependent on his team dominating. This is why he isn’t that good for Argentina or for Barca away from from Spain.
The truth is when the system is perfect, no one can do what he does. But that system has to be too perfect and at the moment only few teams have that kind of perfection.
For me that automatically makes him an inferior player to Ronaldo IMO because the latter can play for any team from Watford to Liverpool.
So he should get credit for losing 2-8?
Look, Messi has been a great player for Barca this season. But the team is build around him and he is big part of it, you can’t just let him take all the credits when the team is winning, and at the same time free from any blame when his team is losing big while he is strolling around and contributes nothing. It doesn’t work that way. If he is genuinely GOAT, should at least lead by example and contribute back a goal or 2, even when his team is hopeless to defend any goals.