Who knows?
Aguero's married to Maradonna's daughter, they have a kid too I think. Now that's a bloodline right there.
Aguero's married to Maradonna's daughter, they have a kid too I think. Now that's a bloodline right there.
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Barca's worst dip inform coincided with Iniesta's injury and Xavi's temprary loss of form. If for one moment you're insinuating Messi and his fellow fowards lost form too during that period you are a total liar. They werent scoring as much simply because Barca's creative hub had gone missing for a some games.
I'm not at all surprised you would say that. It's typical of you when you have nothing of sense to say. I said Xavi and Iniesta hold greater sway over Barca's creativity than Messi. I don't see how that equates to "claiming Iniesta and Xavi are more important to Barca than Messi".
I haven't said any where he isn't there best player. Like you are stupidly insinuating. But trust you to invent some stupid argument you think I would waste time using.
You really are a true idot. Messi plays as a winger. So does Ronaldo. Both have the freedom to drift to either wing or get into the box. That is the main reason why they both score a lot of goals for wingers. Furthermore both have repsonsibilties to their teams. Anyone with a brain who watches football can see this. Lastly there is nothing more stupid than claiming a winger in a front 3 doesn't do the same job or have the same role as a winger in a 4-4-2/4-2-3.
So it's strange to say Henry, E'to and Bojan and midfielders like Insiesta are not much superior finishers to Tevez, Rooney, Bebatov, Park and Carrick?
How many times in the last 3 years have we seen Rooney have easy chances given to him on a plate, missing the target completely or having his shots easily saved? Same goes for tevez? And the likes of Park?
Messi simply plays with better finshers. He is not that much better creatively than Ronaldo. It shouldn't be hard to grasp. In the 2008/07 season Ronaldo proved he can create almost as well as he can score. He finished that year with 26 goals and 20 assist in all competitions.
So much for your myth he needed to break scoing records the following season to have any chance to beat Kaka to individual awards the next season. When even with the mentioned stats and his top class perfoamcnes of that year he still lost to Kaka , despite having had a far better indvidual season than the Brazilian.
Pretty conclusive my arse. I already proved that was garbage earlier in this thread. I'm not going to waste time repeating that.
There we have it. Indian's proved that 30 goals and 13 assists, in 40 games, is garbage.
Indian you wiley old fox you.
You're so childish BTW.
Did I mention you're childish Indian?
Because you are. Childish.
Because you are. Childish.
You're truly clueless. You need help.
You're just so very childish kemo.
And a wee bit silly to boot.
I don't know.If I find good pictures,I'll post some.
It may mean nothing but I've noticed that Messi has become another player since he cut his hair back in August or September.
Haircut is the key to success and honestly Ronaldo should seriously reconsider his as it's the only good explanation to his general poor form this season
Sampson-esque.
Kid Sampson?
What a gimp
There we have it. Indian's proved that 30 goals and 13 assists, in 40 games, is garbage.
Indian you wiley old fox you.
You're so childish BTW.
Messi having better all round stats than Ronaldo as player is garbage an foolish myth. Everyone knows this. Unless you have been living under rock for the last 3 years. Or were just born stupid like you certainly were.Messampsoni even? All fair points.
But then again we must consider that Red Indian is rather childish.
But then again we must consider that Red Indian is rather childish.
Think Adebayor last season, think Tevez this season... Keep your hair as it is, footballers of Europe!
Says the person laughing at his own mindless jokes. You clearly need help. You spend time claiming you cant get what I say when I post and that I post incoherently by some magic you seem to know I called you an infant like idiot.
You're just so immature and childish.
I laugh at you.
I wont waste any more time stooping to your toddler level of behaviour. I have better things to do. You get a life, you poitnless gimp.
What a gimp
You don't make sense. Please refrain from ever calling other people idiots and other such childish comments when you can't tpye/speak or convey your points coherently.
Plus you're childish.
Kid Chameleon?
The irony is unbearable. So very immature.
(BTW, as I've previously stated - I'm laughing at you. Because you're childish. It's funny you see)
Kid Rock?
The Rock?
Rock Lobsters?
No surprise. It baffles you because in your mind me saying Ronaldo is in poor form but has been very effective is the equivalent of saying Ronaldo is at his best. Which is your own fault entirely.
I see. Now we have allegedly said Ronaldo is sure to scoop all the awards this season. By only saying Messi possibly wining player of the year at the end of the season is not a foregone conclusion as you would like everyone to think. Wow
Pinchy the Lobster?
(i forget it's name)
You are impossible, their worst period of form was when they went 5 games without a win and were missing more than just iniesta. Infact the first of the winless run Iniesta was playing, Messi wasn't, he came off the bench and barca scored a late equilizer. 2nd match Iniesta doesn't play, Barca have a man sent off in the first half and lose a derby 2-1. They then drew 1-1 in Lyon in which Messi was the best player. They then lose 4-3 to Atletico, messi was unplayable in the first 45 mins and the defence was shocking, how that is down to Iniesta i'll never know. They then drew away in the cup with Mallorca with 10 men, Messi came off the bench and scored the equilizer. They've won every game since and yes Iniesta is back but if you look at the most crucial time in the season the period of November and December Iniesta was out and they won every game. those 5 games were to do with a team naturally having a dip after performing so fantastically for so long, natural and not much to do with one player. You are clueless to assume as much and then ignore that Iniesta was out for large parts of the season when Barca were in there finest form. Do you realize that Henry has been reguvinated due to INiesta being injured? that is the reason Henry got a run in the side but no it is Iniesta that is all important...
I'm not at all surprised you would say that. It's typical of you when you have nothing of sense to say. I said Xavi and Iniesta hold greater sway over Barca's creativity than Messi. I don't see how that equates to "claiming Iniesta and Xavi are more important to Barca than Messi".
I don't think they do, they score more with Messi on the pitch, when he plays they score more and are more creative, i think you underate his all round play. You want to bracket him with Ronaldo as some sort of hyper productive player who when not scoring goals is not contributing. He's different to Ronaldo, he doesn't need to score a goal to impact a game.
I didn;t say you didnt. You made it out that he isn't as important to the team as Iniesta or Xavi, which i laughed at because it was a laughable thing to say.
Yeah no difference at all between a 433 and a 442. Messi is not a winger, Ronaldo isn't either, maybe when he was 20 or 21 he was, if he's a winger now he's a rubbish one.
Iniesta isn't as good a finisher as Xavi but you are just undermining your own players to make Messi look bad. Quite a pathetic attempt really, do you not think Barca players miss chances? if you watched the messi video of his assists you would see how stupid your comments are. He creates so many more chances and so many more are missed. If they converted half the chances he created he'd have more than he does now and more than anyone in the team.
And the likes of Park?
And? This season Barca have been awesome, in seasons past they havent, they couldnt score, Eto'o was missing everything and Henry was a shadow. Ronaldo is not creative, not a fraction as creative as Messi, he doesnt create many chances in a game for his team, he puts in a cross when given the time on the odd occasion he isn't going for goal himself.
2008/07? is tht a season? wasn't it 06/07 he did that cosidering 07/08 was last year. Yeah it's been a while since we seen Ronaldo the winger that much i agree with.
My myth? that was what you said, if Messi doesnt break Ronaldos records with goals or assists then he cant be considered better.... Do you now see that it was a spastic comment that you made and are now trying to turn it around and say i said it ?
I agree with this though, Ronaldo was awesome that year but Kaka did it where it mattered, top scorer in the champions league and the sort of virtuoso displays others dream of in the semi, the final, the group stages, the last 16. He was outstanding, sort of how Messi as been up to this point in the CL this season.
Even when i give you what you so crave you throw it back in my face, there is no reasoning with the unreasonable. You bang on about goals and assists and then see the stats for yourself and dismiss them as garbage
Another throw away comment about how Messi "dominated" a game or was the best player with no justification at all. If you actually watched that game, plenty of players had better games, Juninho definitely did.
I'm actually going on what our resident Frenchman said, Kouroux watched the game and that was what he said i think, that or he was the best player on the park. I'm not sure i didn't watch the game but it's hardly a throw away comment.
You and your sidekicks claim Messi was the best player in plenty of games where there are plenty of players who played better.
I still find it incredibly amusing that vijay claims Messi dominated that game Ronaldinho got the standing ovation.
You and your sidekicks claim Messi was the best player in plenty of games where there are plenty of players who played better.
I still find it incredibly amusing that vijay claims Messi dominated that game Ronaldinho got the standing ovation.
Nicely ducked there Cal.
I still find it incredibly amusing that you and the chief, two of the most recognised notorious idiots on here, are bum chums in this whole argument.
You and your sidekicks claim Messi was the best player in plenty of games where there are plenty of players who played better.
I still find it incredibly amusing that vijay claims Messi dominated that game Ronaldinho got the standing ovation.
Me and FV aren't sidekicks and the proof is in that giant thread where at some point we threw (childish) insults at each other.
In that match Juninho did score only a free kick but for the rest he was very average and I'm surprised you even mentionned him.I think in that match I've seen the best defensive tactic applied against Messi but at times it was just impossible to stop him,his natural ability is too much to contain.
Exactly, don't always see eye to eye but i can respect his opinions. I remembered his comments about the game and sinse i didn't personally watch it i took his word for it.
But no there i go again making another throw away comment
you really are a twat Cal?
I wasn't talking about you being his sidekick, I don't think you are.
vijay is the sidekick I was talking about.
Alright then
1. Henry is rejvunated because he finally settled in Barca in his second year. Like most players do after moving to a new league, in a different country, with a style of football there are not used to. That has naught to do with Iniesta being injured. After all his direct comeption has infact been Hleb and not Iniesta.
2. I never said any where that Iniesta alone was all important. That is a figment of your imagination. Neither did I say him being out injured was the only reason their form dipped like you have just claimed. I instead said Insieta's injury and then Xavi's dip in form lead to Barcelona dipping in form. Even with Messi and his fellow forwards still on fire. You instead want to claim the whole team lost form. Which is a myth. I pretty much watched all Barca's games in that period. & their biggest problem at the time was in midfield. Not a collective loss of form. It caused their defence all sorts of problems and their front 3 didnt have the same room to do the same damage they had been doing earlier on that season.
Firstly I'm not you. I'm not about to ever under rate Messi's all round play. Which you constantly do with Ronaldo.
Secondly it it doesn't take a genius to see that Messi benefits greatly from the type of service he gets from Xavi and Iniesta. Which is literally the best midfield service in the world ATM. Without it he and Barca wouldn't hit their current heights as easily. This was shown clearly last season. & this season during that period when they almost threw away their entire 12 point lead in La Liga.
Are you mad? Have you seen me say any where that Messi doesn't contribute anything when he doesn't score? Have you also seen me any where say Ronaldo has no imapct on games apart from score like you ALWAYS do?
Which shows how mad you are. Because I said Xavi and Iniesta are more important to Barcelona's creativity than Messi is. Not, like you are falsely claiming again, that I said they are more important to Barcelona than him. I've repeated this twice already since I first posted it. But you keep repeating the same drivel that I'm saying they are more important than him.
More drivel. So saying there is no difference in the role of a winegr ina 4-43 anda 4-42 = there is no difference bwteen 4-4-2 and 4-3-3.
Are you for real? Messi is a Winger. So is Ronaldo. Ronaldo being in poor form wont change that. Messi being in better form than Ronaldo or vice versa wont change that. Neither will stats of any kind.
What does Xavi's finishing have to do with anything I said? Does Xavi play for United? Because I said Iniesa is a better finisher than all our center midfielders with the excpetion of Scholes?
How? How does Messi look bad by me saying he plays alongside superior finishers to what Ronaldo does? Does it take away the fact Messi created all those chances? Just because the personnel he plays with used them better?
Their attacking players miss simple chances far less than our attacking players do. Of that I have no doubt. I've watched both teams reguarly for the last 4 plus years to be 100% sure of this.
That's the dumbest shit I ever read really. According to your dumb logic the matches of Messi that I've watched over the last 4 years have given me no idea about the chance he creates? Yto the extent that some DVD of higlights with his assists will suddenly change my views? Worse still you want to convince us all that he creates more than anyone else in his team?
Which seaons past? For the last 6 years If I'm not mistaken Barcelona has top scored in La Lig consistently for like 4 out of those years. Even in years they didn't win the league. You want to honestly claim their goal scoring form this season is only down to Messi? A team with the creative talents of XAvi, Iniesta and Henry in it, amongst others?
Explain his stats from the 2006/07 season then.
Bullshit. Ronaldo on form is our most creative outlet on the wings. If you watched Ronaldo with even the slighest anount of honesty in your body to you would have clearly seen this by now. Some one much earlier in this thread IIRC reproduced stats of last season showing that Ronaldo had made more crosses than anyone in the EPL last season. You dont do that by not being creative.
You wish. It was you who claimed the only way Ronaldo could get the award over Kaka was by breaking scoriung records. Depsite the fact that in the year he lost those awards to Kaka he had surpassed him in boh creative and scoring stakes all season.
Of course it is spastic. Just like you who thought that drivel up! I laid out my criteria of what Messi had to do to out do Ronaldo clearly. It never included only goals and assists. Of that I'm beyond 100% sure. Lie about it all you want., if Messi doesnt break Ronaldos records with goals or assists then he cant
be considered better.... Do you now see that it was a spastic comment that you made and are now trying to turn it around and say i said it ?
Messi will have to do what Kaka did that season in the knockout rounds and no one else should match it for him to be crowned the best. That's the type of thing I said he should do to surpass Ronaldo. But this is an alien concept to you
Gave me what I want my arseEven when i give you what you so crave you throw it back in my face, there is no reasoning with the unreasonable. You bang on about goals and assists and then see the stats for yourself and dismiss them as garbage
What I want is for you to use your fecking brain for fecking once in your life Man! You said Messi has better all round stats than Ronaldo as a player. (Dont even try to deny it) Meaning since he started until now all he stats are better than all Ronaldo's stats.
Do you not see how fecking retarded that is?
seriously chief, i've never seen more retarded posting, you've actually taken your own rediculously lame argument, realized how lame it is and turned it around as if to say it was my argument and i'm the one who is retarded. I'm actually baffled at the stupidity of it all.
There is so much wrong with that last post that i'd need about an hour to take it apart. Is it even worth it? are you worth entertaining when you really talk so much trash?
So you see that quote you took from me "if Messi doesnt break Ronaldos records with goals or assists then he cant
be considered better...." the whole point of the.... was because it was a rediculous thing to say, and you said it. If messi doesnt match ronaldo for productivity he can't be better, that was your words not mine. Anyone who has ever read my posts would see that i've never been one to bang on about stats. That is a game for the ROnaldo fanboys like yourself because it is the only way you can feel justified.
Henrys compitition was Hleb?? again retarded, INiesta occupied the left side of attack which left Henry benched. ONLY when Iniesta was injured did Henry take that spot and make it his own, now INiesta is played in the middle along side Xavi because he is that good a player.
I could go on and on proving what a retard you are or have been acting like but i'm sure anyone who could be fecked to read these rediculously long drawn out and oh so flawed posts can see for themselves. You and Cal? can have fun in the world of your dilusions but your fooling no-one with your tripe really, only yourselves.
There is so much wrong with that last post that i'd need about an hour to take it apart. Is it even worth it? are you worth entertaining when you really talk so much trash?
So you see that quote you took from me "if Messi doesnt break Ronaldos records with goals or assists then he cant
be considered better...." the whole point of the.... was because it was a rediculous thing to say, and you said it. If messi doesnt match ronaldo for productivity he can't be better, that was your words not mine. Anyone who has ever read my posts would see that i've never been one to bang on about stats. That is a game for the ROnaldo fanboys like yourself because it is the only way you can feel justified.
Henrys compitition was Hleb?? again retarded, INiesta occupied the left side of attack which left Henry benched. ONLY when Iniesta was injured did Henry take that spot and make it his own, now INiesta is played in the middle along side Xavi because he is that good a player.
I could go on and on proving what a retard you are or have been acting like but i'm sure anyone who could be fecked to read these rediculously long drawn out and oh so flawed posts can see for themselves. You and Cal? can have fun in the world of your dilusions but your fooling no-one with your tripe really, only yourselves.
This thread is getting absurd now.
At what age do you guys think Messi will retire? I'm going with 36...
FFS. I'm clearly wasting time trying to make an absolute fool like you see sense. For the last God damned time. Below is what I said:
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
In know way does it equate to this:
"if Messi doesnt break Ronaldo's records with goals or assists then he cant
be considered better."
Like you are claiming. Unless you are reading it in some other language that isn't English. Or simply dont have an actually functioning brain that can interprete it for you to understand it properly.
Your stupidity is beyond comprehension really. I'm done trying to reason with you.
Below is a classic example
A post full of you own idocy. Idiocy you falsely claim was in my post. Which is such a lie it's untrue. The evidence is there for all to see. You're really a total imbecile. No question
Words which up to now you have failed to comprehend. Because in your warped form of reality, Messi and Ronaldo do not play the same position as footballers at all and can not be compared using such standards. Mere peformances and stats of a season in which one is in top form and the other is in no form enough to show that one is a by far the better player than the other and has the better all round stats in their entire careers. You deserve a Nobel Prize in idiocy for your efforts.
Typical village idiot post. I don't need to feel justified. I'm objective. I'm not a fan boy. I have no special love for Ronaldo or Messi. I don't view them with any pre conceived bias like you. Who constantly goes out of his way to rubbish Ronaldo as player. Claiming all he does is score goals and has no creativty at all. & can't match Messi in anything. When there is so much over whelming evidence contrary to your view. Over 3 years worth of it. Which is typical fan boy behaviour. Not to mention the fact you dont want to entetain the idea Messi should be judged on proctivity when comapred to Ronaldo, yet want to use the stats of Messi in only one season as your "overwhelming prorf he has better all round stats then Ronaldo as a player"
Yet me, who you claim is a Ronaldo. Fan boy is yet to say one bad thing about Messi as player. The irony is staggering
Hleb was bought as Ronaldinho's replacement. Ronaldinho played on the left. That in it self says it all. You haven't the slightest clue what you are on about. Others can take a look at the appearance stats of Barcelona. And judge for themselves whether you are talking the truth or bullshit.
http://www.statbunker.com/football/btb/index.php?PL=team&TeamID=116&statType=apps&CompID=259
What irony! You are so deluded that you think the constant lies you keep posting about what others have said on here are true. On top of the trash you constantly talk about Roanldo and Messi himself. Along side your other delusions like claiming anyone in here has said Ronaldo is at his best, that Messi is destined to surpass Maradona, Messi as a player has better all round stats than Ronaldo has ever had....that I'ma fan boy...my God... the list is nearly endless. It's really sad that a person can fool themselves in such a fashion to the extent reason is beyond them. I pity you. Enjoy your deluded existence.
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