Forlan's got 20.
Wow.
That's Diego isn't it?
wow.
Wow.
That's Diego isn't it?
wow.
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Talking about strikers, look at the players in the top 10 in spain, look at the quality, then look at the state of the english one, Kevin Davies? Abgonlohor? feckin Cisse!!!! Christ, then look at the players in spain, just look at it, look at the quality of striker and tell me that the quality of striker is not much higher? Only liverpool spanked madrid this year, Liverpool couldnt beat Atletico and United couldnt beat Villarreal so far. Of course Le Arse could spank them and you can go back to wanking over the prem sinse it is so far and away the greatest thing ever ever ever. With the top scorer not managing a goal all year and in good company with Zaki, abgonlahor, Bent, Cole, Defoe and Crouch. Or how about the spanish counterparts? Eto'o, Henry, Villa, Messi, Aguero, Forlan, Raul, Higuain.
SO he was shite for United and has made his mark in spain. Any team in england would love to have him outside United i'd imagine. He's a quality player, brilliant movement and when he's feeling good he really can bang them in. He was always a quality player but sometimes for whatever reason it doesn't really happen for you at a club. United were maybe too big for Forlan at that time but he's proved what a quality player he is in spain and that's got nothing to do with the standards in spain. Premiership poster boy "best striker in the world" Torres never managed 20 goals for atletico yet Forlan has and so has Aguero.
Towers suits the Prem because of his pace(and power). Forlan always seemed to better against the Spanish clubs. Not sure he'd be any different if he were to come back to the Prem.
Resorting to hysterical rantings isn't helping your case here.
For Eto'o, Henry, Villa, Messi, Aguero, Forlan, Raul, Higuain, see Torres, Gerrard, Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez, Van Persie, Adebayor, Anelka, Drogba and robinho.
so you reckon La Liga is better than premier league?
The Spanish strikers play against a relatively shit defence in Spain, if the English forwards face the same level of defending, they'd be scoring for fun. An English team that hasn't won the title in eons spanked the Spanish champions of the last two seasons 5-0 on aggregate....
Drogba has barley scored a goal, tevez isnt a goal scorer, RVP is always injured, Adebayor has been injured a lot, Robinho never scored many in spain. Gerrard should be a midfilder.
Point is this season the strikers in spain have been a cut above, sure the defending has been shit but the level of attacking play has been brilliant and the quality of striker is higher than the prem this year. No midfielders have managed to get into the top 10 in spani, all strikers.
yeah the same team spanked the champions of england, europe and the world the same week, your point is?
I'm saying the quality of the strikers in the scoring charts in spain are of a higher quality than in the english scoring charts. By far to be frank.
they didn't spank us, their result against us flattered them, it was a much closer game than the scoreline suggests. However, their destruction of the best Spanish team of the past two season over two legs was quite comprehensive. The group stages of the CL are about qualifying for the knock-out stages, Both us and the dippers would've disposed of Villareal and Atletico Madrid if they were must win games.
Looking at the scoring charts shouldn't be given much weight. Kevin Davies according to those charts is a better player than Wayne Rooney, that's how reliable those scoring charts are... I see your point though, but I think if you look at the top strikers (not by their league goals, but the actually quality) in both leagues, neither can be said to have significantly better set of strikers than the others.
What those scoring charts show, more than anything else, is that the level of defending in Spain is lower than it is in the England. The strikers always look better when they play against a relatively shit defence, that shouldn't be a surprise.
Yeah the La Liga players on that list stack up favourably against the ones on the EPL list, that's for sure.
Surprised to see Bent and Crouch feature near the top there.
Surprised to see Bent and Crouch feature near the top there.
i said when i posted it that it was worse defending but you can't argue that the strikers on that list are superior to the ones on the EPL list and that is my point.
Fair point about Kevin Davies/Wayne Rooney, i guess Cal? and the Chief and co reckon Davies is better than Rooney until wayne scores more goals than him
further proof if any was ever needed to anyone with a clue that stats aren't the end all in football. Why i should even have to type that baffles me.
He just couldnt get the breaks at United, the fact the fans still liked him tells you alot about him as a player. Or maybe uniteds fans, well either way i think if he went to a good prem side he could bang them in. I really rate him, didn't happen at United but sometimes that's the way it goes.
i said when i posted it that it was worse defending but you can't argue that the strikers on that list are superior to the ones on the EPL list and that is my point.
Fair point about Kevin Davies/Wayne Rooney, i guess Cal? and the Chief and co reckon Davies is better than Rooney until wayne scores more goals than him
further proof if any was ever needed to anyone with a clue that stats aren't the end all in football. Why i should even have to type that baffles me.
You have a point there.
The argument that Ronaldo of last season scoring more goals mean that he's been a better player than Messi of this season isn't logical.
As far I'm concerned there isn't much of a big difference between Laliga and the PL since someone like Torres said the tactical level of defending in England in general isn't as good as it seems
Goals are crap stat to judge top players. The talent is so obvious in some players that you can just judge them by watching.
That's completely different to saying La Liga's a relatively poor league.
It's something that someone who hasn't watched La Liga much would say.
They're both great leagues, and the Premier League's better.
They've been better this season, but there's not much between them overall.
If you were to judge Zidane by the same criteria, he'd only be a quarter of the player Ronaldo is (given that he never scored more than ten goals a season).
the fact people came out and praised that rediculous post as being great shows a level of retardation even i didn't imagine possible.
Rooney is not a 16 year old to keep referring to talent and potential....he has been playing at the highest level for a good 6 years now and has had every opportunity to exhibit that talent and deliver consistent "best in the world" class performances. He has not even gotten close to doing that.
He may have the talent and go on to improve and become the best in the world but his performances so far are not even in the Villa, Torres, Ribbery class. In a couple of matches he has shown flashes of brilliance but hasn't done that over an entire season. Comparisons with Messi, Ronaldo and Kaka are just as silly as comparing Kewell with Giggs. Every player who had the potential and talent at 16/17 to be the best in the world, does not become the best in the world. Some turn out to be poor, many average, a small percentage of them are top class, just one or two become the best in the world.
Kevin Davies according to those charts has had a superlative season by his very mediocre standards and Rooney has had a very mediocre season by 'world class' standards.
Talk to any Bolton fan and they would tell you that Davies has had a remarkable resurgence in front of goal. He isn't a better player or a better forward than Rooney because thats probably the best that he can do while this season is probably as mediocre as Rooney can do. Davies has played against the same opposition as Rooney and in the same league for an inferior team that creates lesser quality chances for him. To dismiss Davies' goals because he isn't as talented is silly. To dismiss the entire chart along with the fact that Rooney hasn't been great this season even though he is obviously more talented and plays for a far superior team is sillier.
This season, who's been better IK, Rooney or Davies?
No point in feeding him Brwned. He is clearly on a wind up.
I don't get wound up easily
I'm interested to see what his answer is.
I'm interested to see what his answer is.
Are you saying that Davies' goals are a fluke or that other than goals, he doesn't contribute much to his side ? Cant mediocre players have good seasons ?
I';m thinking of canning IK.
His goals aren't a fluke, he's done well for himself and some have been surprisingly good finishes. And even without goals he's one of Bolton's most important and best players. They can and they regularly do.
That's not answering the question at all.
I hate Kevin Davies, he's of the steve Carr mould of so called hard cnuts, charge around kicking people to make up for a genuine lack of ability. Scum
Yeah but he's better than Rooney according to InstantK.
He's clearly not a sandwich short of something that requires sandwiches, is he.
Rooney and Davies in the same sentence not only offends those sound of body, soul and mind but probably also the laws of physics, nature and English*
*May not offend the laws of the English language.
** May actually offend the English however.
*** May also offend Everyone else too.
*May not offend the laws of the English language.
** May actually offend the English however.
*** May also offend Everyone else too.
Na, he didn't say he's better he said something about for the standards each have set that Davies is having a good season for his standards and Rooney a poor season for his standards. I'd still back Rooney to score more by the end of the season and even if he doesn’t he probably has a shit load of assists that the fat clown Davies couldn't dream of.
Anyway it's the same argument as Cal, chief and co keep banging on about. The all encompassing importance of stats when talking about players, they can't just watch someone and form an opinion, they need to get all anally statistical which makes no sense to anyone with any sense.
IK also reckoned that Robbie Savage was as talented as Roy Keane.
He does have a much larger nose. If nose size relates to footballing talent, Savage > Keane.
Which is still rubbish.
And yes, people who base their entire arguments around stats are idiots.
Savage has been described by many a team mate as the least talented professional footballer they've ever worked with.
Saying that i don't actually mind Savage, not as a player but as a joke character, he's rubbish at football.
He has said the White Pele(his words) was mediocre, countless times.
But anyone who calls Rooney average and thinks Savage was as talented as Roy Keane, should be cast away to the newbies for life.
IMVHO.
That's what I've not really understood. The fact that goals and assists, numbers are considered far greater than just overall performances when judging a player. Anyone can see Ronaldo is having a poor season, yet because he scored 20 goals he's having a pretty good one according to some.
Unless we watch every game that Davies has played, it wouldn't be fair to answer that question, would it ?
Are you suggesting that Davies is so shite that its impossible for him to have two-thirds of a better season than Rooney ? If so, the goal scoring charts are useless and the better talent can always be considered as the better player in any season ?
What the feck's going on in here?
By the Chief and Cal's logic Davies is a better player because he's scored more goals this season. That, to me, seems to be what IK's saying. Mind you I didn't bother reading his posts in full.
By the Chief and Cal's logic Davies is a better player because he's scored more goals this season. That, to me, seems to be what IK's saying. Mind you I didn't bother reading his posts in full.
Rooney scored the same as Fernando Torres and Van Persie
Thats clearly not what I am saying.
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