Lionel Messi

Status
Not open for further replies.
Then no-one is qualified to say anything in football. Pele was before, before him Di Stefano and before him....

No-one can see them all and i respect peoples opinions enough to learn about the past of football but to say they can never be compared or can only be compared by someone who has seen them both doesn't work in football.

To genuinely compare Maradona to Messi you have to have seen them both, that's just how it is.

And it is how it works, if it worked your way then any random person could just compare Pele to Ronaldo, despite not actually seeing Pele. But you see, the thing is, no-one does that.

This isn't specific to you either, some lad compared Ronaldo to George Best and got ripped into because he then went on to say he'd never actually seen George Best.

It does work and has worked like that for years. You're the only one comparing him to Maradona, there's a reason for that.
 
all that really matters in football is the present. messi is the present. if anybody wants to deny that then good luck looking for your something else.

of course there are folks out there that enjoy frog wanks with carrots up their erses but I suspect most don't.
 
might not for you there, but for me its a given. football has imo taken a turn for the worse over the past 5 or so years. messi has been the only shining light.

I'll sit up again only if a team emerges that can truly dominate, or comes out of nowhere seemingly, like bayern leverkusen did about 10 yrs ago.

Ronaldo wasn't a shining light? Or Rooney? What about Ronaldinho just a few years back?
 
To genuinely compare Maradona to Messi you have to have seen them both, that's just how it is.

And it is how it works, if it worked your way then any random person could just compare Pele to Ronaldo, despite not actually seeing Pele. But you see, the thing is, no-one does that.

This isn't specific to you either, some lad compared Ronaldo to George Best and got ripped into because he then went on to say he'd never actually seen George Best.

It does work and has worked like that for years. You're the only one comparing him to Maradona, there's a reason for that.

Thats not exactly true man:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2332685/Maradona-hails-his-successor.html

:D:D:D
 
all that really matters in football is the present. messi is the present. if anybody wants to deny that then good luck looking for your something else.

of course there are folks out there that enjoy frog wanks with carrots up their erses but I suspect most don't.

fecking hell man - steady on :nono:

PM me with details will ya.......
 
"Wanking Frogs" has now been added to my sick-list vocab & i shall be referring to this term at my next funeral. I'm a part-time Clown you see!


:lol: didn't see your wee PM. you can probably visualize most of it - but in his younger days one of our particulaly depraved mates actually got busted by his ma when he got caught out whilst bunking off school.

he really wasn't all there I assure you.
 
Yes my apologies, looks like I got that fact wrong

Sadly for Ronaldo, he only had another great season at Inter after that, then the next he had his first big injury, and bar a few years at Madrid, never performed again really. And even at Madrid he wasn't nearly the player he was before. We were robbed of a great talent. That said he liked his party lifestyle, who's to say he wouldn't have gone the way he had anyway? It's a pretty familiar story with these travelling Brazilians
I can't imagine what it'd be like to lose almost 5 full years of football through injury and rehab when you're that good a player. He probably fell off mentally after a while, which is where all the seeds would get a chance to blossom into what we've seen of him off the field the last few years.

Having said that, it also takes tremendous discipline to keep returning to the game when your knees are like ticking time-bombs.

Then no-one is qualified to say anything in football. Pele was before, before him Di Stefano and before him....

No-one can see them all and i respect peoples opinions enough to learn about the past of football but to say they can never be compared or can only be compared by someone who has seen them both doesn't work in football.
That just doesn't hold much water in this day and age. If you really want to learn about and truly appreciate the greats of the game, there are more than enough resources out there for you to get a healthy catalogue of over a hundred games on any player post 1965ish.

Puskas, Di Stefano, Edwards, Moreno and those others who are pre65 are truly consigned to text and rare, bitty footage, but the likes of Pele, Cruyff, Maradona and so on have many obssessives constantly finding sources to gather full games and transfer them to avi, mpeg or mp4 format.

It's not even about you comparing Messi to Best or Maradona that's the problem, for me, it's how flippant you are and how premature it is.

Rather than just giving the lad the time to develop, you're fast-forwarding half a decade and assuming he's had a perfect trajectory towards true greatness in the intervening period.. that's just not going to wash with anyone who saw the players you're comparing him to because, simply, he's not near them at the current time, no matter how much you will it to be true.
 
That's my gripe. What Vulgar is not grasping, is that Maradona was the BPITW in 82, better than Platini, another all time great. Better than Zico, one of the top five Brazilians, ever(for me he was every bit as good as Ronaldo). And he's not even qualified to make these comparisons. If you combine Tevez with Messi, you still wouldn't have a Maradona. He was out of this world.

The same argument I put forward few pages back, Vulgar backed off yet he's firing his guns again. He broke through in 77, by 79 he had already overtaken Zico when both were playing in South America, 81 he was up there with Rummenigge, Platini as the one of the best in the world. 82 WC was a stage set for him to deliver as much as it was Fat Ronaldo in 98, even after a disastrous tournament he went in for a world record transfer to Barcelona and never looked back. In passing, dribbling, running ability with the ball or crosses or freekicks he was from a different planet and Messi for all his talent cannot become better than Maradona, yet he can live a big legacy like Pele or Maradona if he maintains his form and fitness.
 
I can't have a dislike to a United player as much as you do KingEric7.
 
Well as the BPITW he should be lifting the argies :smirk:


Poor effort from Messi. Maradona would have won the game and snorted up a line of crack before half time.

he has, he didn't. He had two chances and didnt take either. Ronaldo meanwhile as the official bpitw has been lifting portugal to joint second bottom of one of the easiest qualifying groups and putting in world class motm performance after motm performance for United...
 
he has, he didn't. He had two chances and didnt take either. Ronaldo meanwhile as the official bpitw has been lifting portugal to joint second bottom of one of the easiest qualifying groups and putting in world class motm performance after motm performance for United...


Poor tradesman always blames his tools :smirk:.

Carlos is a good coach. Just not a good manager.
 
Thats fine, but thats your opinion. Being objective, you'd able to see that for the 5 games prior to the Liverpool game, he was by far our best player on the pitch game in and game out. He started looking like the Ronaldo of 06/07.
But you bias towards your hatred of Ronaldo discredits your argument.

I must say, I don't remember this. I remember him giving what I'd say was a 7/8 out of 10 performance against Inter away, but I can't remember him playing particularly well in many other games. Infact, I'd go as far as to say that the Inter game and the first match in the CWC are the only two performances that I remember Ronaldo standing out in (my memory is dreadful, though!).

The Ronaldo of 06/07 consistently produced 9/10 performances; he's not come close to that, this year. I can't stress how highly I rate the Ronaldo of 2 years ago, so it'd take a very special performance to make me draw that comparison. It really did take the piss when Kaka scooped the awards that year.

I can't have a dislike to a United player as much as you do KingEric7.

Just saying it how it is. :)

Edit: That reminds me, I was watching this fantastic video of yours again the other day:



It just about highlights everything that's missing from Ronaldo's game this year, and it also highlights what he's lost since 2006/07. Now THAT'S a player that can come close to Messi. You should make a Messi one, it'd be great! :D
 
But I've met more oldies who think Maradona's the best, ever.

He really was out of this world, Mr Vulgar. I've seen some truly brilliant players such Ronaldo, Zico, Van Basten, Gullit, Zidane, Platini, Mido etc. But he was more than a cut above them. And that speaks volumes.

I'm lucky enough to have seen him play at his peak. Lucky, lucky, lucky.

Well said.

Maradona at Napoli was a joy to behold.
 
all that really matters in football is the present. messi is the present. if anybody wants to deny that then good luck looking for your something else.

of course there are folks out there that enjoy frog wanks with carrots up their erses but I suspect most don't.

Tell that to the scousers.
 
didnt brazil teach them a lesson and even Ronaldo was openly shredded in portugal for it?

That match was this season. Ronaldo at his best would never let the opposition rip his team apart. He would keep possession and tries to attack the opponents as much as possible. Viva Ronaldo:devil:
 
That match was this season. Ronaldo at his best would never let the opposition rip his team apart. He would keep possession and tries to attack the opponents as much as possible. Viva Ronaldo:devil:

i guess the fact he should have been sent off was due to it being this season too.

Living in the past already, dissapointing.
 
feck me i miss watching Ronaldo do that
 
Me wonders what you thought of Argentina's 6 goal demise in Bolivia...

I would imagine it was a freak result, if not it's shown a few people that Argentina are not anywhere near where people assume them to be. I watched the game and it was basically every attack was a goal by Bolivia and the argies were lethargic and couldnt get out of first gear. Actually very simelar to the what happend to Brazil against Venezuela, difference being Bolivia scored with almost every chance whilst Venezuela missed or Julio Cesar saved every chance, they should have hammered Brazil but in the end only managed a draw. The argies don't have cesar and they didn't have the luck of Brazil and so were thumped. It's how they react to this that will show more than the result itself in my opinion.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.