Good performance from Messi again tonight. Adds nothing to his stats so for cal? it was clearly an ineffective performance but for me he was instrumental.
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It's more a reflection of the one dimensionalness of a van Nistelrooy who scores from chances made for him by other people compared to the all round game of an Henry who also makes his own goals and chances for other people.That is such an Arsenal way of thinking, pass, pass, pass and pass some more, never mind putting the ball into the net.
That is such an Arsenal way of thinking, pass, pass, pass and pass some more, never mind putting the ball into the net.
well they wouldn't be assists then now, would they?
you absolute dipshit.Messi could sit around for 90 minutes and you'd still claim he dominated the match.
well they wouldn't be assists then now, would they?
Here comes the idiots who think assists are more important than goals.
73 pages, and at the end of the day, what are you actually arguing about? A blind dog can see Messi is something very special, is having a stonker of a season, and has few if any rivals who can claim to be 'better' than him
Some of you just need to chill out and appreciate an extraordinarily gifted football ply his trade. And pray he discovers his dad was a secret United supporter
Some of you just need to chill out and appreciate an extraordinarily gifted football ply his trade. And pray he discovers his dad was a secret United supporter
It was another great performance from Messi but without a goal or an assist. Going by your logic, Messi versus Almeria should be shit without watching the match as always whilst Ronaldo versus Pool was great just because he scored a penalty.
He's a fantastic player.
Shutters.
Shutters.
True, in football the only stat that matters are goals, but it should not be the only criteria in rating a footballer, especially for creative players not playing as the centre forward, their overall influence in the game that evetually leads to a goal or a assist cannot measured by any stat.
Yet if we go by your logic, Gerrard should be greater than Zidane, Muller should be better than Pele, Maradona or Di Stefano.
who claimed he dominated? I just said he was instrumental. He played a good match, you think he was shit in that game?
You are so bitter and deluded, you hate Barca and then i guess you watched them dominate the match against Almeria and cried...
assists is a somewaht arbitrary stat but it does tell a story. Just like scoring a goal doesn't tell you whether it was a 20-yard screamer or whether it bounced of the goalscorers arse when he was looking the other way, assists doesn't tell you the quality of the goal, just that a goal has been scored and the assister was directly involved.
But to say it's a meaningless statistic is going too far. its not coincidental that Michael Laudrup is top assist provider in la liga or that zamorano suddenly became topscorer when he joined real (something like 80% of his goals were provided directly from laudrup) only to fade again when he left. He was never a great goalscorer but anyone who followed him will know he was perhaps the most influential player for both Barcelona and Real Madrid alike when he played there.
But to say it's a meaningless statistic is going too far. its not coincidental that Michael Laudrup is top assist provider in la liga or that zamorano suddenly became topscorer when he joined real (something like 80% of his goals were provided directly from laudrup) only to fade again when he left. He was never a great goalscorer but anyone who followed him will know he was perhaps the most influential player for both Barcelona and Real Madrid alike when he played there.
Apparently he has a small penis.
Ronaldo's penis>>>>> Messi's penis.
Ronaldo's penis>>>>> Messi's penis.
Rag chat?
This is a football forum, not gay weekly or whatever, i'm sure you can find some information on the penis of Ronaldo in some gay icon magazines if it floats your boat.
Aye, Messi does that a fair bit, funnily enough. Infact, it's probably what seperates him from Ronaldo in the way that he actually has a massive overall influence on the match. This is something that Ronaldo used to have.
Though to Ronaldo's credit, he can have an absolute stinker yet still get his name on the scorecard. That's a unique trait that not too many players have.
If Ronaldo had better strikers (Eto'o) and midfielders (Xavi, Iniesta) around him who can create chances and score from the ones he creates, his influence will also appear to be more dominant.
Its not a coincidence that Dinho and Messi have looked great at Barca when Eto'o has remained fit and Barca have managed to looked shitter than Real when Eto'o hasn't been fit even when Messi/Dinho were.
After all this talk about the great Messidona, average Forlan has scored more league goals.
Forlan : 22 games, 19 goals, 6 assists
Messi : 24 games, 18 goals, 10 assists
Messi plays for a far superior team and takes penalties as well.
Its not a coincidence that Dinho and Messi have looked great at Barca when Eto'o has remained fit and Barca have managed to looked shitter than Real when Eto'o hasn't been fit even when Messi/Dinho were.
After all this talk about the great Messidona, average Forlan has scored more league goals.
Forlan : 22 games, 19 goals, 6 assists
Messi : 24 games, 18 goals, 10 assists
Messi plays for a far superior team and takes penalties as well.
Better strikers and midfielders? What the feck are you on about?
Pop onto google, and type in 'Champions of England', 'Champions of Europe', and 'Champions of the World'. See which club comes up
Forlan has proved to be anything but average, couldnt quite cut it at united but has been a top player in spain. He is a top player.
Brad is spot on, you have the best squad in europe yet because barca have xavi and etoo that's why Messi "appears" better. Get a grip.
Eh? Ronaldo's been playing alongside Tevez, Rooney, Carrick, Scholes, Giggs, etc. Ronaldo is simply not that creative, and that's hardly a controversial statement.
As for that second bit, the underlying trend throughout this thread has been that Messi is far more than just a goalscorer; the fact that he's clocked up a ridiculous amount of goals already just highlights how good he is. When you consider that Forlan's scored 19 goals in La Liga this year, your point becomes even more ridiculous.
It's a classic goal poachers trait. Be awful yet score a tap in and all is forgiven.
Have you never seen IK posting?
Fair point
If Bayern win their league and the CL this season, would they have the best strikers and midfield in the world? When Porto won the CL, did it make their players the best in the world ?
Our defence was fantastic last season and our attack was largely carried by Ronaldo with Tevez chipping in with vital goals. We hardly dominated any European game but were content to win by the odd goal. The great European teams of the past go to away games and humble the opponents. Our midfield is mediocre and thats why we have to play Park and/or Rooney out wide and sacrifice attack to protect the defense. If we have great midfielders, there is no chance that Rooney will be played out of position or Park will even get a look in.
Our defence was fantastic last season and our attack was largely carried by Ronaldo with Tevez chipping in with vital goals. We hardly dominated any European game but were content to win by the odd goal. The great European teams of the past go to away games and humble the opponents. Our midfield is mediocre and thats why we have to play Park and/or Rooney out wide and sacrifice attack to protect the defense. If we have great midfielders, there is no chance that Rooney will be played out of position or Park will even get a look in.
Give up IK, you're wind ups are too predictable and boring these days. feck off to goonerweb.
Wind up ?
Our midfield is so average that SAF has to add an additional midfielder and also play Park / Rooney out wide in European away games to provide more cover to our defense.
Our midfield is so average that SAF has to add an additional midfielder and also play Park / Rooney out wide in European away games to provide more cover to our defense.
They'd have Ribery who, on this season's evidence, is a better footballer than Ronaldo.
Sarcasm surely eludes you my friend
Fair point your rag chat comment was pretty sarcastic
Its a pity that per some of our supporters there are more than a couple of dozen better players than our top scorer this season who is also second in the assists table.
It should prove the point regarding how average our other strikers are.
Wind up ?
Our midfield is so average that SAF has to add an additional midfielder and also play Park / Rooney out wide in European away games to provide more cover to our defense.
This ones bigger than both
Nah, you're just being a WUM tosser for the sake of it now
I thought this kind of stuff was meant to be cracked down on, it's just tiresome
Nah, you're just being a WUM tosser for the sake of it now
I thought this kind of stuff was meant to be cracked down on, it's just tiresome
Many on here claim there are more than a dozen better players playing better than our top attacking player.....what does that say about the rest of our strike force ? Surely if our top attacker isn't that good, the rest are average ?
If I were wumming then you should surely have a rational explanation for:
1. Why Fergie needs an additional player as a covering midfielder and also Park/Rooney out wide to provide more solidity if our midfield is fantastic
2. Why we cant go to an European away game with the supposedly brilliant midfield, great strikers (bar Ronaldo), fantastic defenders and thrash the opponents like the great sides of the past
3. Why is Ronaldo still top of our attacking charts if he is having a mediocre season and yet the other strikers who have contributed less are having great seasons
In the United team alone, I'd say that Giggs, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Rooney and probably one or two others have had better seasons up to this point. Outside of United, we have Lampard, Gerrard, Xavi, Henry, Messi, Eto'o, Villa, Ibrahimovic, Chiellini, Ribery, etc.
Ronaldo's scored his fair share of goals, but he's been dreadful in more than just a few games.
Vidic has been fantastic, Carrick has been better than the previous seasons going forward, Giggs has turned back the clock.
Rooney has been toilet per your logic - if Ronaldo has been dreadful, considering that Rooney leads our line, is our main striker and is still incapable of scoring more than a winger who isnt playing that well. But then again perhaps goals are not as important to a striker as running around.
Rooney has been toilet per your logic - if Ronaldo has been dreadful, considering that Rooney leads our line, is our main striker and is still incapable of scoring more than a winger who isnt playing that well. But then again perhaps goals are not as important to a striker as running around.
Go on then name some great sides in the last 15 years or so, who've done this regularly.
Forget regularly...we haven't gone away in Europe and thrashed a good side even once in the last few seasons. We havent even attacked them because Fergie is concerned that our midfield will be run over if he attacks more. That is a more damning indication of the quality of our midfield than anything that has been posted. A quality central midfield will not require Fletcher as additional cover with Park/Rooney on the wings and force Tevez or Giggs to the bench.
Gerrard, who you wank over as the greatest midfielder in history, requires both Mascherano and another midfielder. Other than that, its same old shite from you.
Yeah, but you're a Gooner.
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