I've said many times that Messi is having a better season.
He didn't say you hadn't there, because you did in fairness. Though it did take a feckload to get it out of you.
He just said others have been.
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He didn't say you hadn't there, because you did in fairness. Though it did take a feckload to get it out of you.
He just said others have been.
He's on 29 goals with just about 15+ games remaining in the Season , well on course to match Ronaldo's 42 , already has put distance on the assist tally. and better these stats don't tell how much of a pleasure he has been to watch especially in the first half of the season.
Actually, Messi has 29 goals in 38 appearances so far this season.
Ronaldo had 33 goals from his first 38 appearances last season.
Ergo Ronaldo 08 > Messi 09.
Actually, Messi has 29 goals in 38 appearances so far this season.
Ronaldo had 33 goals from his first 38 appearances last season.
Ergo Ronaldo 08 > Messi 09.
Eh?
Where'd Veron say anything about how many games Messi had played?
Oh that's right, he didn't. Once again Cal makes something up/reads something that's not there.
Forget Messi.
Henry so far has had a brilliant season than any of our attackers or any other forward playing in the premiership, a better footballer as his tactical awareness has improved after a season in Spain running close to his 05/06 from. With his confidence back, I am sure he can carry his form on to the World cup.
Big critic of Henry in the past, but he is starting to prove me wrong.
Henry so far has had a brilliant season than any of our attackers or any other forward playing in the premiership, a better footballer as his tactical awareness has improved after a season in Spain running close to his 05/06 from. With his confidence back, I am sure he can carry his form on to the World cup.
Big critic of Henry in the past, but he is starting to prove me wrong.
Henry's a legend of the game so it's no real surprise to see him finally excell over at Barcelona.
He's had a very good season to date, contributing 27 goals (in 33 matches). Hopefully he can continue and is finally over all the injury niggles. Anyway that's for another thread.
He's had a very good season to date, contributing 27 goals (in 33 matches). Hopefully he can continue and is finally over all the injury niggles. Anyway that's for another thread.
It doesn't take great technical ability to deliver in the premiership or delivering in the England cannot guarantee the player would also be a crack else where. Ronaldo is physically a beast, even when he has a poor season he can compensate that with goals, it works out in the premiership with less tactical and more physical defences, certainly cannot translate the form in Serie A or La Liga. Nevertheless in full form he can be a great footballer in any league as long as they play the attack around him. But had he started his career with either Pool or Chelsea doubt he would have made it to the top as he did with United.
Messi in 05/06 was the most fouled player in the liga than Ronaldinho inspite of not playing a full season, and so far has attracted more cynical fouling than Ronaldo. Cannot find any reason why would fluff in England, he has better strength on the ball, better movement can also glide with the ball better than Henry, Ronaldo or anyone else..
Surely you have to factor in the different mentality of referees in Spain and England?
Your suggestion of Henry being better than Ronaldo was already laughed at by lots of people on the last 2 pages...
Btw, is that the same 05/06 where he led Arsenal to a mere 24pts behind Chelsea?
There is nothing to go ballistic over there, the blokes are Ronaldo fan boys like bhatia, and the other bloke who told us Ronaldo's goal against Inter was better than Messi again Lyon.
2005/06 he led Arsenal to the CL finals with thumping wins over Juvetus, Real Madrid and also set up a goal in the finals, top scored in the premiership finishing the season in style with a hatrick in his final game. Its a great season by any stadards.
This season Henry has been in a better form than ANY other forward playing in England and also in Italy barring Zlatan. In current form he's easily amongst five best forwards in the game out of Messi, Eto, Zlatan, Ribery, Villa, Aguero, Rooney and may be Ronaldo and Torres. The last four players are clearly below Henry this season.
I'd say Henry is better/greater than Ronaldo too.
Ronaldo's got years to change that though, still.
Ronaldo's got years to change that though, still.
Actually, Messi has 29 goals in 38 appearances so far this season.
Ronaldo had 33 goals from his first 38 appearances last season.
Ergo Ronaldo 08 > Messi 09.
take into account that ronaldo had zero assists at that stage and Messi has about 13? that means that Messi has been responsible for 42 goals already in 37 games i believe (quite a few off the bench).
So really it's far superior to anything Ronaldo did at that stage last season. Ergo Messi 09 > Ronaldo 08
The fact that Ronaldo will never have a better season than 08 whilst Messi is just 21 and already surpasing it (statistically at least, not that i even care for stats) is quite frightening.
I said I wouldn't get involved in this silly debate again but this is seriously
I agree, how can anyone predict the future?
I said I wouldn't get involved in this silly debate again but this is seriously
Because muppets only judge him on 42 goals. They already talk about 08 08 08 like it is unmatchable.
I bet someone on this site at the start of the season that he wouldnt get 42 this season. He wont, he probably wont ever again, it was just one of those seasons.
I don't think he can't have a better season, from a purely productive point of view i dont think he can or will ever match it but there is more to football than the stats but the Ronaldo fan boys don't see that so for them it's a shame because he'll never get 42 in a season again.
You are clearly obsessed with dribbling, so you cannot see that whilst Messi's goal against Lyon was very good, not many players could have scored Ronaldo's goal against Inter, the timing of the run had to be perfect and the height he got in that jump was also incredible.
In 05/06, Henry led Arsenal to a very disappointing league season, much like Messi in 07/08 with Barca, and he didn't even have a big injury to blame.
Ronaldo is our topscorer despite sticking to the wings this season, that's better than Henry.
take into account that ronaldo had zero assists at that stage and Messi has about 13? that means that Messi has been responsible for 42 goals already in 37 games i believe (quite a few off the bench).
So really it's far superior to anything Ronaldo did at that stage last season. Ergo Messi 09 > Ronaldo 08
The fact that Ronaldo will never have a better season than 08 whilst Messi is just 21 and already surpasing it (statistically at least, not that i even care for stats) is quite frightening.
Clearly Ronaldo had 0 assist. Facht.
Also, only Arse fans add up goals and assists in their drooling of Henry. Clearly goals mean more, how could it be Ronaldo's fault that Etoo is finishing better than Rooney did last season?
Messi hasn't even won anything this season and it's just as likely that he will never score as many in a season ever again.
Yes, creativity means nothing, players who put the ball on a plate for their team mates to score means nothing.
Blame rooney, tevez, giggs, scholes, nani, berbatov for all being terrible finishers not able to put away the simple chances that Ronaldo creates.
Yes my ZERO was daft but 1 or 2 isn't really much to shout about and if you think Messi doesn't create chances which aren't put away then you really are living on another planet.
Henry's been playing on the wing for Barcelona too. Yet he's produced some fantastic stats this season.
Yes, assists mean just as much as goals, that's why they award players for their goals & assists each season with the golden boot... oh wait...
Clearly Ronaldo had only 1 or 2 assists after 38 games last season - facht again... if you're going to quote stats, at least look for the right ones, it's not very difficult you know.
So now assists are meaningless. Yes the golden boot is an award designed for the top goal scorer but many other awards take into account creativity. If not why isn't the top goal scorer awarded all the personal accolades every year?
I'd rather have a player who contributed 20 goals and 20 assists than 30 or 35 goals with one or two assists. That is just my opinion though.
Did I ever say that?
I merely pointed out you cannot just add goals to assists together.
You're entitled to your opinion, but just don't throw them around as "fachts". The last few pages have shown that there are plenty of people who disagree with you, I hope you can at least grasp the fact that not everyone think of Messi as some sort of footballing Michael Jordan.
Did I ever say that?
I merely pointed out you cannot just add goals to assists together.
You're entitled to your opinion, but just don't throw them around as "fachts". The last few pages have shown that there are plenty of people who disagree with you, I hope you can at least grasp the fact that not everyone think of Messi as some sort of footballing Michael Jordan.
Of course i can grasp it, i also grasp that every person who agrees with you is United fan through and through.
What did you expect on a United forum?
Marcos told me that he thinks Messi is rubbish.
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Marcos also enjoys inserting oranges into his rectum.
FACT.
Relevance, none. But it's a FACT none the less!
FACT.
Relevance, none. But it's a FACT none the less!
I guess the daily rumblings on the Messi thread have started, well what is going to be new today eh?
Depends if he plays and if so then how he performs, no doubt if he does well it'll be down to the horror defending in la liga, because you don't get horror defending in the prem.
On the other hand if he plays badly and Barca lose, it'd be nothing to do with him and just his team mates letting him down like the whole of last season.
You've not half lost the plot in this thread, Cal. The implications of your posts in this thread are as follows:
That's amazing, really.
- Assists mean very little in comparison to goals scored, even for a player whose game is based around creativity.
- Teams do not exist, simply individuals. Southampton never won much simply because Le Tissier was not good enough; had he been a better footballer, Southampton would've won something.
- It matters very little difference what overall effect a player has had on a game; productivity and statistics are all that count.
- Ronaldo is greater than Thierry Henry and he is also one of the few players in the world that could've scored a reasonable header.
- Lionel Messi did "feck all" last year.
- Messi is a more creative player than Ronaldo simply because Eto'o is a better finisher than Rooney.
- Dribbling is not really that important in football. The ability to head the ball and take a freekick are more important skills, as they are ultimately what win football matches.
- Injuries don't really have much influence on a footballer's performance.
That's amazing, really.
He's an absolute moron, that's for sure.
And be ready for the 'you're obviously a goon/scouse closet fan.'
Assists is such a arbitary statistic, a winger could dribble past 3 players, passes it to the forward and the forward lays it off 2 yards for the striker to score. Guess what, the forwards gets credited with the "assist", not the winger even though most people will agree that the winger played the biggest part in creating the goal.
Goals on the other hand are not debatable, a goal is a goal is a goal.
Teams are groups of players, better players -> better teams.
Ronaldo is greater than Henry, you got that right.
Messi didn't do "feck all" last year, he led Barca to a massive 18pts behind Real Madrid.
Messi has more assists this season compared to Ronaldo last season mainly because Etoo this season is finishing better than Rooney last season.
Dribbling is no more important than heading or freekick taking, they are all part of the game.
I never said that last one.
Don't see the logic there.
So say this winger dribbles past three players, and then the striker plays it in to his partner and he finishes it, then should the winger not deserve more credit than the goalscorer?
So the winger gets no credit there, but the goalscorer gets all of it, in terms of stats.
So yes, a goal is a goal, but scoring a goal is often no more noteworthy than getting the assist.
Most of Ronaldo's assists in 06/07 came from great play, so you can't just ignore them, just like you can't ignore Messi's.
Being able to play the killer ball is just as important as being able to finish.
Moreso, otherwise where are the strikers going to get their chances from? They can't always rely on creating chances of their own velition.
Well I dunno, there's always going to be two sides of that coin.
Take Van Nistelrooy fro example, he scored so many goals from just being in the right position from a luck deflection off the keeper or defender, or making the most out of a very poor ball.
But yeah, being able to play the killer ball is bloody important and it's a big reason why so many people have so much confidence in Anderson, I think.
Assists are a relatively crap statistic compared to goals. A player can add a lot to the attacking play without a good goal or assist record ala Hleb. Actually, stats are a crap way to judge a player in football.
That is such an Arsenal way of thinking, pass, pass, pass and pass some more, never mind putting the ball into the net.
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