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FranklyVulgar said:
How come United couldn't manage a single goal against Villarreal? or Liverpool being lucky to not be beaten by Atletico Madrid, only a stevie starfish special stopped that.

So villarreal stopped united meaning they are actually as good as united and that means the spanish league is fecking amazing!!!!!! :wenger:

that was serious sarcasm but it had a point, i don't expect you to get it.
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Your an Arsenal fan. I expect you to be full of shit.
 
marchi-91 said:
Your an Arsenal fan. I expect you to be full of shit.
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:lol:

nice come back.

YOu make the point that the best team in spain got done for 5 against liverpool. i make the point that the best team in england couldnt score against the 3rd best in spain and you can't take it. This is spain where the defending is so bad that any player can score goals, yet no united players managed it?

It doesnt make sense, i'm confused!!!
 
That was in the group stages when both the teams were content with a draw. In the knock out stages, they conceded 4 times more than the English teams, despite having easier draws.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
:lol:

nice come back.

YOu make the point that the best team in spain got done for 5 against liverpool. i make the point that the best team in england couldnt score against the 3rd best in spain and you can't take it. This is spain where the defending is so bad that any player can score goals, yet no united players managed it?

It doesnt make sense, i'm confused!!!
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How'd United look at that point in the season. Ronaldo had just come back from Injury and we where yet to kick our season off. Considering that the GREAT BARCA could only score two against them and concede 1, then it still shows a lack of quality defense.
 
Dippersripper said:
After the Spanish league got shown up as a below average one this week, I'm not convinced about this uber-season of Messi. With defences like Real's, Ronaldo would've scored 50 goals and got similar number of assists by now. Divide any player's league goals/assists in la liga by 3 and you'll get a much more accurate rating of that player.
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that's exactly why we outscored villarreal both times we played against them :smirk:

please, remind me how many goals Ronaldo scored against them?
 
You can't use one game to judge a league. But anyone who argues that the defending in La Liga isn't ropey to say the least obviously doesn't watch much la liga.

Goals per game
Spain - 2.92
England - 2.45
Italy - 2.42
France - 2.2
Germany - 2.92
 
Even if you take Real out of the equation, Barca conceded three goals in both legs, Athletico and Villareal a couple more.
 
Psmith said:
You can't use one game to judge a league. But anyone who argues that the defending in La Liga isn't ropey to say the least obviously doesn't watch much la liga.

Goals per game
Spain - 2.92
England - 2.45
Italy - 2.42
France - 2.2
Germany - 2.92
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That is not a proper index either. They score almost 3 goals a game despite having inferior attacking players, which shows the state of defending in that league.
 
Psmith said:
You can't use one game to judge a league. But anyone who argues that the defending in La Liga isn't ropey to say the least obviously doesn't watch much la liga.

Goals per game
Spain - 2.92
England - 2.45
Italy - 2.42
France - 2.2
Germany - 2.92
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Yes so they are the same as Germany. Strangely they've been the two most entertaining leagues this season but that massive half goal a game extra really tells you that the defending is at such a lower level than anywhere else.
 
Psmith said:
You can't use one game to judge a league. But anyone who argues that the defending in La Liga isn't ropey to say the least obviously doesn't watch much la liga.

Goals per game
Spain - 2.92
England - 2.45
Italy - 2.42
France - 2.2
Germany - 2.92
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ropey? that only means that given two games in the pl and in la liga, the pl will have 5 goals and la liga 6

that can mean that la liga has worse defenders than the pl or that the pl have worse attackers than la liga
 
marcosdeto said:
ropey? that only means that given two games in the pl and in la liga, the pl will have 5 goals and la liga 6

that can mean that la liga has worse defenders than the pl or that the pl have worse attackers than la liga
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The premier league has better attackers and defenders.
 
Dippersripper said:
That is not a proper index either. They score almost 3 goals a game despite having inferior attacking players, which shows the state of defending in that league.
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Now la liga has inferior attacking players? :lol:

so inferior attacking players and defending players, brilliant. La Liga is the worst league in europe, why the hell does every player want to play there. Why on earth would Uniteds golden boy Ronaldo do everything short of handing in a transfer request and slapping SAF in the face to move there in the summer. It's the weather! that's it, everyone is blinded by how shit the league is by the brightness of the sun.
 
That extra half a goal is quite a bit. It means that there are 240 goals more in La Liga than the PL at the end of the season. And having watched some of the defending in La Liga I think it's more down to this rather than superior attacking players.

FranklyVulgar said:
Yes so they are the same as Germany. Strangely they've been the two most entertaining leagues this season but that massive half goal a game extra really tells you that the defending is at such a lower level than anywhere else.
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There may be tons of goals in the Latvian Premier league. Would you watch that?
Anyway I agree with you. La Liga is more entertaining this year and the big 4 in the prem definitely skew the league's quality.
 
Dippersripper said:
After the Spanish league got shown up as a below average one this week, I'm not convinced about this uber-season of Messi. With defences like Real's, Ronaldo would've scored 50 goals and got similar number of assists by now. Divide any player's league goals/assists in la liga by 3 and you'll get a much more accurate rating of that player.
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Let's do that for David Villa then. He's scored 19 in La Liga, so that would be equivalent to 6 in the Premiership, making him the lesser of Dirk Kuyt, Carlton Cole, Kevin Davies and Jason Roberts. Just wonder how amazing Spain would be if they had Kevin Davies up front instead of Villa. God, I hope Davies doesn't uncover a Spanish grandparent - the rest of world footy would be buggered.
 
Psmith said:
There may be tons of goals in the Latvian Premier league. Would you watch that?
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we are talking about football at the highest level.

I forgot that on these boards nothing counts but the EPL, wait and i'll lock myself in a Premiership naivety bubble and ignore the world of european football. If it's not Prem it doesnt count after all and isnt worth seeing or knowing about.
 
Psmith said:
That extra half a goal is quite a bit. It means that there are 240 goals more in La Liga than the PL at the end of the season. And having watched some of the defending in La Liga I think it's more down to this rather than superior attacking players.



There may be tons of goals in the Latvian Premier league. Would you watch that?
Anyway I agree with you. La Liga is more entertaining this year and the big 4 in the prem definitely skew the league's quality.
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that can be read as that england has the best defensive players or that spain has the best offensive players

and still, we couldnt score against a team that never won la liga
 
Gio said:
Let's do that for David Villa then. He's scored 19 in La Liga, so that would be equivalent to 6 in the Premiership, making him the lesser of Dirk Kuyt, Carlton Cole, Kevin Davies and Jason Roberts. Just wonder how amazing Spain would be if they had Kevin Davies up front instead of Villa. God, I hope Davies doesn't uncover a Spanish grandparent - the rest of world footy would be buggered.
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Why the feck did Liverpool spend 30mil on torres, He was shit in la liga. he never managed 20 in a season! which is what? 5 prem goals? they took a massive gamble, actually anyone signed from la liga is a fecking HUGE gamble given the attrocious level of football, girly defending and play ground attacking. I don't know why they don't just stop playing football alltogether these spaniards. WHEN will they learn that to pass the ball to one another and wait for opertunities to open is NOT football. This triangle passing, what on earth are they thinking! without pace, power and being hard as feck (at least john terry hard) football is pointless.
 
The whole discussion about La Liga being that poor is insane. It's clearly not as good as Premier League at the moment, especially when it comes to its best clubs but it's not really as poor as some make it out and Real Madrid crashing out of Champions League before last 8 for the fifth time in a row changes nothing.
 
marcosdeto said:
that can be read as that england has the best defensive players or that spain has the best offensive players

and still, we couldnt score against a team that never won la liga
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That's irrelevant. Aalborg scored 2 against us. Means nothing.

Unlike dippersripper who is clearly on a WUM, I'm not saying anything controversial. All i'm saying is that defending in La Liga is not as good compared to other major leagues (Italy and England).

I'm not saying the League is shit. In fact we take out the top 4 in both leagues and had a league between La Liga and Spanish teams. It would be close, with maybe La Liga winning.
 
Premier league teams > La Liga couterparts, but these comparisons are temporary bound to change once in two or three seasos.

Defenders at Atletico or Villareal arent more worse than those at Arsenal and Pool atleast on paper and if some are shipped over to Spain it still wont improve their defensive record either. United have the best defence in the world, Chelsea distant second but the rest are all comparable and winning in cup games are more to due TO the quality of managers in the premiership nothig much related to the the overall quality of defenders in the PL. Imagine Guardiola swapping places with Fergie or Ramos with Hiddink with Benetiz and Wenger moving the other way, premier league teams cannot cut it for long in the CL even with all their star signings. These managers can also make the current Spanish outfit better than they are now.

Nonetheless, among the rest defending in La Liga is laughable, shouldn't mean premiership defenders are from the outerspace. Benetiz with the same Real Madrid backline and Casillas would't have allowed the current Liverpool to hit five past them.
 
Psmith said:
That's irrelevant. Aalborg scored 2 against us. Means nothing.

Unlike dippersripper who is clearly on a WUM, I'm not saying anything controversial. All i'm saying is that defending in La Liga is not as good compared to other major leagues (Italy and England).

I'm not saying the League is shit. In fact we take out the top 4 in both leagues and had a league between La Liga and Spanish teams. It would be close, with maybe La Liga winning.
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Feck i forgot about Aalborg! SO basically Uniteds defence is on a par with some danish muppets!!!!! :lol:

again that's sarcasm but you can see what i'm getting at...

On an honest note it's nice to see a post that makes genuine sense amoungst all this rubbish, hats off to Psmith.
 
Floyd said:
It was a great goal, they couldn't get near him.

He wouldn't have scored the goal Ronaldo scored last night mind you.

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Nope, but I can think of many players who could've done. It's ridiculous how direct Messi can be.

marchi-91 said:
AS I said. He dribbles past two players and then get the benefit of a defender feck up. Shit Tevez can dribble like that, its nothing special......


He is not this GOD that people proclaim. He is nothing more at this point in time then a very good player that can beat men with his dribbling in a league with shite defending.
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:wenger:!
 
marchi-91 said:
What is good about that goal? Whoop de do he beat 2 players. Bentley can do that ffs. He stuffed up his dribble and got the benefit of a defenders mistake and slotted a ball that you'd expect any player bar O'Shea and Anderson to make.


This love in for him is a load of bollocks. Ronaldo's goal was far more impressive then that.

Before FV interrupts with a post full of bs, Ronaldo had to beat his men and get to the ball. Just look at Ibra 'who by all means is a quality striker' and see how easy it is to put away one of those balls.
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Shut up
 
:lol: The Messi thread is alive again!! We'll just thought i'd mention that i was told that i would be watching the greatest goal this campaign by Messi only to see him run past two guys and poke it in the net!! Seriously people need to stop dick riding the guy everytime he swivles his hips!! Not his fault though.. O and there's nothing magerly wrong with the Spainish league defending to make a debate about it, even though Real Madrid where shit!! I can't understand how you can have Sergio Ramos (World best right back:smirk:); Cannavaro; Pepe; Heize and Marcelo and still be shit!!
 
Mainoldo said:
:lol: The Messi thread is alive again!! We'll just thought i'd mention that i was told that i would be watching the greatest goal this campaign by Messi only to see him run past two guys and poke it in the net!! Seriously people need to stop dick riding the guy everytime he swivles his hips!! Not his fault though.. O and there's nothing magerly wrong with the Spainish league defending to make a debate about it, even though Real Madrid where shit!! I can't understand how you can have Sergio Ramos (World best right back:smirk:); Cannavaro; Pepe; Heize and Marcelo and still be shit!!
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Cannavaro isn't as good as before, Pepe's pace and power makes him look like a top defender when in fact he lacks in other departments. Heinze is pure shit and Marcelo isn't a good defender right now.

'Nuff said.
 
AttackingFlair said:
Cannavaro isn't as good as before, Pepe's pace and power makes him look like a top defender when in fact he lacks in other departments. Heinze is pure shit and Marcelo isn't a good defender right now.

'Nuff said.
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Cannavaro is not 4 goals poorer! Heinze as much as he can't play his a solid defender! If Marcelo can't win a battle over DIRK KUYT someone needs to inform him his likely not going to cut it at the top level!! All im saying his the defense isn't that bad like old Madrid sides... They just failed to deliver! Midfield didn't help though!!
 
Mainoldo said:
Cannavaro is not 4 goals poorer! Heinze as much as he can't play his a solid defender! If Marcelo can't win a battle over DIRK KUYT someone needs to inform him his likely not going to cut it at the top level!! All im saying his the defense isn't that bad like old Madrid sides... They just failed to deliver! Midfield didn't help though!!
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No they really are that bad, only Diarra and Cassilas have helped to mask that recently in the league.

See Cannavaro feck up completely for Pool's first goal? Heinze is not a solid defender at all, cost Madrid plenty of points because he's fecking shit. Marcelo's good going forward but defensively no... but most young attacking full backs aren't that great defensively yet. Ramos is the only one in their back line I actually rate and his best strengths are going forward... 'nuff said again.
 
AttackingFlair said:
No they really are that bad, only Diarra and Cassilas have helped to mask that recently in the league.

See Cannavaro feck up completely for Pool's first goal? Heinze is not a solid defender at all, cost Madrid plenty of points because he's fecking shit. Marcelo's good going forward but defensively no... but most young attacking full backs aren't that great defensively yet. Ramos is the only one in their back line I actually rate and his best strengths are going forward... 'nuff said again.
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Any player can feck up! The point is there have no excuse to blame but themselves because there defence isn't shit!! Heinze can be clumpsy but quite frankly he's still a good defend and would get in the Liverpool side (Nuff said on that) Yes Marcelo might not be the best defensively but he wasn't against a dribbling sensation and there was no need for him to be getting schooled like he did!! So unless you can prove these players are shit you've got no valid point!!
 
Mainoldo said:
Any player can feck up! The point is there have no excuse to blame but themselves because there defence isn't shit!! Heinze can be clumpsy but quite frankly he's still a good defend and would get in the Liverpool side (Nuff said on that) Yes Marcelo might not be the best defensively but he wasn't against a dribbling sensation and there was no need for him to be getting schooled like he did!! So unless you can prove these players are shit you've got no valid point!!
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You want proof? Watch their matches before they had Diarra and you'll see how much of a clown Heinze was/is and how poor their defence is. If you haven't watched them then where's your proof they're actually good?
 
vijay said:
So was Ronaldo. In the second half, Rooney offered a better movement with the ball than Ronaldo, set up the final goal and also tested their keeper twice.
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Lies. Ronaldo was better than Rooney throughout. We didnt control the game enough to let him make more damage. Rooney on the other hand was terrible in the first half, couldnt make a 5-yard pass.
 
FranklyVulgar said:
Point is i don't see how being cut open by a pass from Marquez who is a good passer (and in my opinion the best long range passing central defender in the world) equates to Lyon bottling it and being defensively terrible.

Just like i dont buy into a team who are 2-0 down and if they score two goals will be in the lead decide the game is over in the first half and let a player seemingly walk past them to score a "goal anyone can score".
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Did I actually say any of those things? :confused:

I merely pointed out that you've gone totally over the top with praising Barca players (once again), Marquez is a good passer, but he is by no means in a league of his own as you claimed. Now you're backtracking on about Lyon.
 
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