Wait for Cal? to respond "but he didn't actually say Messi is better than Ronaldo" 
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Wait for Cal? to respond "but he didn't actually say Messi is better than Ronaldo"
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Did Capello say Messi is the better player?
What? Ronaldo what? This answer doesn't make sense.
Who is currently playing better - Ronaldo or Messi? Answer that question.
But like I said, you can't even answer it properly if it means admitting someone else is playing better than your favourite. You even put his name fecking first, it has no place in that sentence unless of course you were saying Ronaldo is currently playing better, which you weren't. Yet you still put it there because it's so hard.
And I don't 'hate,' it's definitely pity and it's because you're an idiot for the most part. I'm telling you that's why, there is no other reason and I'm clearly not trying to disguise it.
I think its safe to assume that when someone says "they are both great but xxx is more talented" it's safe to assume it's a diplomatic way of saying he is the better player.
Lippi said Messi is the best, Mourinho also said he is better than Ronaldo, the list goes on and on and grows and grows.
Lippi said Messi is the best, Mourinho also said he is better than Ronaldo, the list goes on and on and grows and grows.
What? Ronaldo what? This answer doesn't make sense.
Who is currently playing better - Ronaldo or Messi? Answer that question.
But like I said, you can't even answer it properly if it means admitting someone else is playing better than your favourite. You even put his name fecking first, it has no place in that sentence unless of course you were saying Ronaldo is currently playing better, which you weren't. Yet you still put it there because it's so hard.
And I don't 'hate,' it's definitely pity and it's because you're an idiot for the most part. I'm telling you that's why, there is no other reason and I'm clearly not trying to disguise it.
Don’t be daft Cesc it makes perfect sense. Ronaldo is playing better but Messi is having the better season
Some more playground insults...
It's not an insult.
And it's obviously the truth. You obviously don't know what inept means, or how it's used.
You think that Ronaldo is the best player in the world right? Now, to be the best player in the world you'd safely assume he'd generally be performing at a high standard. On one of those scales you'd assume a 9 average would be about right. And as you say he's been the best player from around 06 this would mean he'd have been playing at around that level, for the majority, since then.
Now, if he hasn't recieved a 9/10 rating for his performance it's safe to say he put in an inept display, not because he's shite, but because he had an off day. As you're obviously expecting him to put in these 9-rated games as a rule.
Keep plugging away Cal.
What? Ronaldo what? This answer doesn't make sense.
Who is currently playing better - Ronaldo or Messi? Answer that question.
But like I said, you can't even answer it properly if it means admitting someone else is playing better than your favourite. You even put his name fecking first, it has no place in that sentence unless of course you were saying Ronaldo is currently playing better, which you weren't. Yet you still put it there because it's so hard.
And I don't 'hate,' it's definitely pity and it's because you're an idiot for the most part. I'm telling you that's why, there is no other reason and I'm clearly not trying to disguise it.
I said Ronaldo is the better player, Messi is having a better season.
How exactly do you define playing better currently? Is Anelka currently playing better than Drogba? Is Anelka a better player than Drogba?
Mourinho has also said plenty of other players are better than Ronaldo - either it's mind game ahead of the CL or he has personal issues with Ronaldo.
Anyway, what Capello said was clearly "Messi is more talented than Ronaldo", if you want to interpret that as "Messi is better than Ronaldo", you're just fitting your opinion into his quote.
I didn't ask you who was the better player, I asked you who was playing better. It has nothing to do with who is a better player, it's a fecking simple question that requires one word for an answer.
It's just so hard to admit that Messi is playing better than your favourite that you have to say/type his name out first. It's beyond tragic.
Anyway, we're in agreeance - Messi is currently playing better. Is it beyond you to say that without mentioning CR7's name? Show me you can.
Err... no, you're supposed to rate the players' performance based on what you know they can do.
Gibson has plenty of 8s & 9s, does that mean he had a world class performance? No, clearly it means he exceeded expectation and played very well.
Ronaldo has plenty of 6s & 7s, meaning that people think he had an average game. Not "rubbish" as FV claimed.
Don’t be daft Cesc it makes perfect sense. Ronaldo is playing better but Messi is having the better season
Clichy he's having us on though?
I've said many times in this thread that Messi is having a better season, so you just want me to repeat that...
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WHat are you getting at?
I agree that Messi has been better than Ronaldo this season.
However, I do NOT agree he's a better player overall.
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So what did he really mean by this oh wise Cal? I guess he really meant Ronaldo was the better player. After all you have two great players but one is more talented yet this equates to the less talented player being better?
Lippi was more straight forward "the best? Messi"...
Er, this is exactly the point dipshit.
If Gibson put in 9's every single game of the season he'd be counted as a world-class midfielder. He doesn't (even play) so he isn't.
Ronaldo is expected to get 9's and 10's (which irnoically is why you guys brought him into this thread about Lionel Messi - because you think he's the BPiTW). Ronaldo is a world class player, therefor he's expected to put in his fairshare of 8's/9's and 10's.
So unless you think Ronaldo is as 6/7 type player he put in a fecking inept performance.
messi is but he's not world/european player of the year. Defenders don't need an invitation to make it hard for these players but when your 'the best' they'll try harder
I do appriciate that's weak as people know full well about messi however..
I also think it's tougher for someone like Ronaldo playing in England then spain for his type of player. It's a quicker, less technical league
Messi has qualities and so does Ronaldo. If you prefer a dribbler, naturally anyone would pick messi
Having said that Ronaldo can head the ball better then most strikers.
Currently it's messi and it's easy but even at maybe 70% Ronaldo is having a great season but the fact is not by his standards
I think we'll see Ronaldo back to his best next season. I'm sure he'll finish the season strong but I think the injury really knocked him back.
There's certainly no shame saying messi. That said Ronaldo scored in the european cup final - so let's see how the rest of the season pans out. These players tend to make more of a difference in the business part of the seasons
Fair points Striker but Messi this season has to this point been better than Ronaldo was last season. His over all effect on his team is unparalleled. Only maybe Inter show the same reliance on Ibrahimovic as Barca do with Messi.
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Excellent. I honestly thought it was beyond you.
And you see we're not saying he's a better player in general, just that he's playing better ATM. Could change in a month, or never.
Perhaps Capello thinks Messi could go on to become the better player?
I wasn't the one who quoted Capello as one of those who said Ronaldo is better. I didn't say his quote means he thinks anyone is better, he said Messi is more talented.
No, that's not how ratings work, I honestly don't think Gibson was any better than Ronaldo in that game. Gibson scored highly because people have lower expectations of him.
In that case I actually agree with you.
FV & vinay are arguing that Messi is the better player in general, in fact, vinay even thinks Messi was the better player back in 05/06 when Barca won the lot.
The name of the games winning - these days - and Ronaldo's goals and few assists were vital
Let's just see if messi can keep his form up. if he does, there's no question he'll pick up the world or european or maybe even both but it's over a duration
I said before the difference for me with Ronaldo is if Barcalona has Ronaldo last season. They'd have won it all. As good as Messi was not even he could break us down.
But we'll see. Maybe we'll play them later in the season. I would like to think we would play ..alot better
In that case I actually agree with you.
FV & vinay are arguing that Messi is the better player in general, in fact, vinay even thinks Messi was the better player back in 05/06 when Barca won the lot.
Yeah i'm with him on that one, fully of the belief that Messi has always been the better footballer. Despite being 3 years younger.
Again, just your opinion. Ronaldo was the biggest factor in us winning the PL, CL double.
Statistically Ronaldo has scored more goals than Messi has (in the same number of games).
Ronaldo won plenty of PL games on his own last season, even coming on as a sub and scoring 2 goals like Messi did 2 weeks ago.
You're right, that (first part) is weak. You could also argue players like Messi and Ronaldo have it easier than others due to the talent around them; defenders obviously have a horrible time having to mark out/watch so many top line attackers that clever players like these will no-doubt find space to expliot. Plus they can make runs that most other team's-players just won’t be able to pick out.
And having a quality defence/midfield obviously helps your side retaint he ball, which in turn means these players are not only not pinned down-back bailing the defence out - but are granted have far more chances to attack and awarded far more time to attack, etc.
The name of the games winning - these days - and Ronaldo's goals and few assists were vital
Let's just see if messi can keep his form up. if he does, there's no question he'll pick up the world or european or maybe even both but it's over a duration
I said before the difference for me with Ronaldo is if Barcalona has Ronaldo last season. They'd have won it all. As good as Messi was not even he could break us down.
But we'll see. Maybe we'll play them later in the season. I would like to think we would play ..alot better
Which is a stupid way to look at it and one which can never be proven either way. United without Ronaldo were a much MUCH stronger outfit last season than Barcelona without Messi.
United are/were the best team in Europe, TEAM, that includes Ronaldo but you have to remember that at least 80% of his goals are/were down to the work of his team mates. The amount of Barca players who had a great or even a good season last year is maybe 3. How many United players had a good season last year?
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Messi created more goals in fortnight than Ronaldo did for the entire last season.
I thought it's well known that Barca were awful last season.
A better comparison with be United last season without Ronaldo and Barca this season without Messi.
Ronaldo created plenty last season, just because Rooney didn't finish as well last season as Etoo is doing now doesn't mean Ronaldo created nothing.
Ah yes, this is true.
Though if he was to get 9's each and every game throughout a season no doubt peoples expectations would be raised. So my point stands - if he didn't play anywhere near to his extremly high expectation he put in an inept performance.
I'd say Ronaldo over the season scores 7, would you call that an inept season?
An average Ronaldo is still the 2nd highest PL scorer...
Can't remember Ronaldo missing a game.
It's already been widely known that Barca score around 3 goals every 70mins with messi on the pitch and around 1 ever 90 or so with him not.
Our very slow start to last season probably has a lot to do with Ronaldo missing 3 games.
Anyway, will continue tomorrow...
Last season Ronaldo was the best performing player in the world. This year it's Messi.
He could cherry pick a fair few goals but really contribute nothing by way of attacking play for the most part all season, ruin the cynergy, give the ball away and get in other players ways. But the scorecard will still have his name on it.
So statistically it could be flattering. But it would really be inept when compared to his real lofty standards.
Many times that was the case last season. So many otherwise poor performances were masked by a goal and a headline. I would love to know how many MOTM awards he got on the caf last season. I reckon it would be a lot lower than people like Cal? would have you assume.
His achievments last season speak for themselves and what his goal scoring feat was incredible but his performances were quite often average but a goal masked that and kept the "BPITW" brigade banging the drum.
And all this 15 goals in 33 games as being a great indication of how good he has been is rubbish too. If you take a look at the teams he's scored against it's hardly impressive.
The two are definitely not mutually exclusive. More talent does not neccesarily equate to better performance or performer.
There are countless examples of this throughout the history of the game. Effectiveness carries far more intangibles than just talent.
You're not doing yourself any favours with the things your saying, I must say.
La Liga is hardly impressive at the moment, does that mean all of Messi's efforts should be cancelled? Of course not, but, as I said earlier in the thread; the measure of Messi is yet to come and until it it does, with the onset of the CL, a lot of what's being said is ridiculously overblown hot air.
I'm not part of your squabble with Cal? but would like to ask you something.
Do you think that Ronaldo is out of the running for this year's WPOTY? Because, by the sounds of it, you're making some pretty foregone conclusions and stating them as fact.
I'm know i'm not doing myself any favours but even so i think i have a point. I do think alot of Ronaldos lesser performances, particularly towards the end of the season were masked by goals. I remember alot of ratings being "alright, scored again" etc.
To answer your question i wouldn't say he is out of the running, he is behind many players already though and would need to really come alive in the champions league and put together a good run of world class performances. He hasn't managed one yet this season but he is a world class player so if he pulls it together he'd have a chance of course.
The best thing for Ronaldo is that he can only improve this season. He hasn't managed a champions league goal so he'd need to be banging them in from now on. Wont be easy but he can do it, personally i dont think he will because he has had games where it looked like he was getting his form back but then he goes and plays another stinker like against Derby.
I am a self confessed Messi "fan boy". The lad is magic, pure magic.
feck the stats about goals, assists, passes and the perceived quality of his end product. Watching him closely for abut 2 years now, whats most striking is his ability to beat players.
Whenever I see him, whether its for Argentina or Barca, irrespective of the opposition, I see him get the ball anywhere on the pitch and then run past 3-4 defenders in the tightest of spaces like it was the easiest thing in the world. Couple that with all his other phenomenal attributes, and it really equates to footballing talent from another planet.
And just for the record, I've been one of Ronaldo's biggest admirers during his time at United
feck the stats about goals, assists, passes and the perceived quality of his end product. Watching him closely for abut 2 years now, whats most striking is his ability to beat players.
Whenever I see him, whether its for Argentina or Barca, irrespective of the opposition, I see him get the ball anywhere on the pitch and then run past 3-4 defenders in the tightest of spaces like it was the easiest thing in the world. Couple that with all his other phenomenal attributes, and it really equates to footballing talent from another planet.
And just for the record, I've been one of Ronaldo's biggest admirers during his time at United
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