I agree with Gus.
Ronaldo > everyone else
And he's still yung 'n lernin.
Ronaldo > everyone else
And he's still yung 'n lernin.
Lionel Messi
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Another person that doesn't exist according to Arse fanboii.
Cos I'm always alone in arguing Ronaldo's case... apparently...
No you're not.
I'll say it again, I have no problems with you or anyone else saying otherwise. However I (clearly) did have a problem with the idiotic 'points' you based your arguement on.
You know, all those ones that were highlighted. The ones we all just went through. The ones that lead to you being well and truely embarrassed.
Oh, and show me where I've said you're the only one arguing that? Prove it, show me, and then prove all those other ridiculous claims you've made. Because what your saying in that post there is I've said you're the only person pleading Ronaldo's case. Show me where I said, suggested or even alluded to that.
You haven't proven/shown me a SINGLE one yet. Though you have backpeddled. This is hilarious.
Why do you persist on being embarrassed like this?
I'll say it again, I have no problems with you or anyone else saying otherwise. However I (clearly) did have a problem with the idiotic 'points' you based your arguement on.
You know, all those ones that were highlighted. The ones we all just went through. The ones that lead to you being well and truely embarrassed.
Oh, and show me where I've said you're the only one arguing that? Prove it, show me, and then prove all those other ridiculous claims you've made. Because what your saying in that post there is I've said you're the only person pleading Ronaldo's case. Show me where I said, suggested or even alluded to that.
You haven't proven/shown me a SINGLE one yet. Though you have backpeddled. This is hilarious.
Why do you persist on being embarrassed like this?
I can't be bothered to look through this monster thread to look up anything, let alone your posts.
You know perfectly well you and maybe some other people in the Messi fan club have often said I was "alone" arguing against Messi.
How have I backpeddled? Care to elaborate?
Wait a second now,
So, despite my saying I enjoy watching United play, the fact I’m happy to see United win things (if Arsenal cannot) because they play the right way. My saying I have nothing but admiration for Ronaldo the player. My defence, praise and adamant belief that he’d one day develop into the best player in the world – which I expressed in many threads anti/sell-Ronaldo/Rooney v Ronaldo threads from years ago. Or my praise of him all throughout the last season and a half. Or my opinion that Giggs is the greatest player to play the Premiership – despite all this, which is all here in writing BTW, I’m an (Arse-) fanboii?
So, despite my saying I enjoy watching United play, the fact I’m happy to see United win things (if Arsenal cannot) because they play the right way. My saying I have nothing but admiration for Ronaldo the player. My defence, praise and adamant belief that he’d one day develop into the best player in the world – which I expressed in many threads anti/sell-Ronaldo/Rooney v Ronaldo threads from years ago. Or my praise of him all throughout the last season and a half. Or my opinion that Giggs is the greatest player to play the Premiership – despite all this, which is all here in writing BTW, I’m an (Arse-) fanboii?
No of course you can't. Because not only is there no proof that I said any of that nonsense you claim, you can simply try to avoid the issue all together this way.
Noone in this thread has said you're the only one saying Ronaldo is the best. That's a ludicrous statement to make, let alone to adamantly direct it towards someone.
And you backpeddled after it was shown that you were wrong, when you somehow conspired to construe that I 'have a United vendetta' from quoting your whole post, only to reply to a portion of it.
Hmm... talk about backpeddling...
You've suddenly gone from "Henry is ze best ever in ze PL", a fact that cannot be argued to oh, quite like United when Arsenal don't do well...
I honestly cannot be bothered to continue with this any longer, you win, you're right and Messi or Henry whoever you want is ze great player ever, ahead of Maradona.
Happy?
Murray beat Nadal, that's Britan over Spain, That's Ronaldo over Messi
Hmm... talk about backpeddling...
You've suddenly gone from "Henry is ze best ever in ze PL", a fact that cannot be argued to oh, quite like United when Arsenal don't do well...
I honestly cannot be bothered to continue with this any longer, you win, you're right and Messi or Henry whoever you want is ze great player ever, ahead of Maradona.
Happy?
What?
Once again I didn't say any of that. Once again you've invented something out of nothing, which is yet another claim that you cannot prove to be true.
Now, I’ll be happy if you address that, and prove/address all of the following:
- me saying you're the only person in here that's saying Ronaldo is the best player in the world
- or my dismissal of certain players being considered the best to have played in the Premiership
- or actually explain how I'm a fanboii because I asked whether or not people think Messi will one day become the best player to have ever played.
- or explained how this - How can you have 2 players rated exactly the same and performing exactly the same and one winning the league and one finishing last? By definition, if he finished last, he must have played badly - makes any sense whatsoever
- or how someone cannot be ‘brilliant when on the pitch,’ even if they have injuries throughout the season, or if their TEAM struggles as a whole
- or where I’ve explicitly claimed that whenever united players win things it’s due to the whole side, whereas when Arsenal won things it was off the back of Henry (I mean really where the feck did you pull that from?)
- or where any Gooner has EVER said Henry was the ONLY reason why we ever succeeded (how the feck did you even manage to bring Henry into this thread? though you do have a penchant for trying to bring him up every single chance you get)
- or where I’ve reflected the idea that I (clearly) think the Premiership revolves around Arsenal
- or that you actually know what the word irony means
- or that I ever ‘typed like ziz’
And those are just the idiotic claims you've spewed in the last few pages here.
Oh, and for me to have backpeddled it would mean I must have said 'I HATE MAN UNITED WITH A PASSIONNZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!1' somewhere in here, or similar sentiments.
You are a retard.
What?
Once again I didn't say any of that. Once again you've invented something out of nothing, which is yet another claim that you cannot prove to be true.
Now, I’ll be happy if you address that, and prove/address all of the following:
- me saying you're the only person in here that's saying Ronaldo is the best player in the world
- or my dismissal of certain players being considered the best to have played in the Premiership
- or actually explain how I'm a fanboii because I asked whether or not people think Messi will one day become the best player to have ever played.
- or explained how this - How can you have 2 players rated exactly the same and performing exactly the same and one winning the league and one finishing last? By definition, if he finished last, he must have played badly - makes any sense whatsoever
- or how someone cannot be ‘brilliant when on the pitch,’ even if they have injuries throughout the season, or if their TEAM struggles as a whole
- or where I’ve explicitly claimed that whenever united players win things it’s due to the whole side, whereas when Arsenal won things it was off the back of Henry (I mean really where the feck did you pull that from?)
- or where any Gooner has EVER said Henry was the ONLY reason why we ever succeeded (how the feck did you even manage to bring Henry into this thread? though you do have a penchant for trying to bring him up every single chance you get)
- or where I’ve reflected the idea that I (clearly) think the Premiership revolves around Arsenal
- or that you actually know what the word irony means
- or that I ever ‘typed like ziz’
And those are just the idiotic claims you've spewed in the last few pages here.
Oh, and for me to have backpeddled it would mean I must have said 'I HATE MAN UNITED WITH A PASSIONNZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!1' somewhere in here, or similar sentiments.
You are a retard.
I have already explained many times why I thought you were very dismissive of many United players.
I have also explained my view of Messi (in last Nov), imho he has started to perform (for 2 months) after 2 seasons of underachievemet, your mere suggestion that he is the best player ever makes me think you're a fanboii. You have gone on to explain how great he was in the last 2 seasons despite Barca being awful, I don't agree, but you're entitled to your opinion.
Firstly you cannot have 2 players rated exactly the same and it's impossible to say 2 players played as well as each other the whole season (even Fabio & Rafael will have some difference). Hence, it's more than likely that the person who won something has had a better season.
Again, I disagreed with your assessment of Messi - I thought he was poor last season, anonymous in 180 minutes against United, scored very few goals.
You keep emphasising how teams win things when I suggested Schmeichel, Cantona & co have claims to be the best PL player ever, implying that they only won things because of the team they played in, and by my assumption that you think Henry's position as best PL player ever is a "fact", some how you think Henry won things on his own yet United players won things due to the team.
I admit I have made assumptions about your view based on other gooners on this forum, but there are many gooners who used to claim Henry won everything for you yet Henry wasn't at fault whenever you choked in the CL.
Your other points aren't even worth answering. Again, childish insults really are tedious...
re: the bolded - No I didn't. Not once. Surely you'd have stopped making incorrect claims by now?
All I've said is he is CURRENTLY playing the best out of anyone around. CURRENTLY. You'll notice that word in pretty much all of my posts (that or ATM) once someone brought up the Ronaldo v Messi thing. This means he is CURRENTLY the best player in the world, though it's obviously my opinion that his current 'world's-best' form translates into him being the best player in the world.
Your big third last paragraph doesn't make any sense after the halfway mark. Feel free to try again.
'You can't be bothered' because you've simply made those claims up, and are no doubt tired of being proven wrong?
So in your opinion, how long has Messi been the best player in the World?
If Ronaldo scores a hat-trick today, does he regain his place, what would he need to do?
So in your opinion, how long has Messi been the best player in the World?
If Ronaldo scores a hat-trick today, does he regain his place, what would he need to do?
I think Ronaldo has to combine his form of the last two seasons and it still might not be good enough.
That is ridiculous hyperbole. Ronaldo sustained his form over the complete length of season, twice. Messi still has half a season to go. If he gets injured now or falls out of form, Ronaldo's last two seasons would count better than his current one.
Quite, don't understand why so many people are so quick onto the Messi bandwagon after half a season.
Cal? you'll find alot of people have actually watched messi before this season and seen enough to form an opinion on him. YOu are the only person in the world who see messi through this season only. Everyone else with any sort of impartiality as a football fan might have seen Messi play for the last 3 or 4 years. In this time they have seen enough to realize they are seeing something special. You can't see it, you haven't seen it and frankly you don't want to see it so i suggest for the good of what little sanity you have left you continue to ignore the world of football outside of england/manchester united.
You don't even have to look through the thread, you just have to look at this page to find a few people who agree with me.
You're entitled to your opinion, just stop throwing around like facts. Messi in the last couple of seasons was nothing special, just the occasion flash of genius.
This gets my vote for the most spastic and embarrassing thread in the history of redcafe.
Did you never read Hargreaves versus Carrick?
Oh yeah. There's stiff competition in this category, to be fair.
Yes Cal? Messi at 21 hasn't been one of the best players in the world for years already, he is/was clearly nothing special
I've seen the people who agree with you, people just like you. People who say things like "Messi is a better dribbler, that's it". Even most staunch United/Ronaldo fanboys can admit that Messi has better qualities, or that Messi has been a bit special since bursting onto the scene but not you and the very few who agree with you.
Spastics.
Yes Cal? Messi at 21 hasn't been one of the best players in the world for years already, he is/was clearly nothing special
I've seen the people who agree with you, people just like you. People who say things like "Messi is a better dribbler, that's it". Even most staunch United/Ronaldo fanboys can admit that Messi has better qualities, or that Messi has been a bit special since bursting onto the scene but not you and the very few who agree with you.
Messi is better than Ronaldo in SOME areas and weaker in other areas.
Messi is better than Ronaldo at dribbling and passing,
Ronaldo is better than Messi at heading and freekicks.
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Any poster with more than 50 posts in this thread has
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What's embarrassing about it?
Rubbish...
Messi was head and shoulders above Ronaldo or any one else ever since he broke through, bit shite when he wasn't match fit.
Its clear you're rambling out of your backside without having seen him play.
Care to explain?
Top coaches and managers aint completely clueless when they rated the player as the next big thing, the only footballer after Fat Ronaldo who got a superlative comparision...Any one who has watch Messi from 2004 can tell you that.
Why don't you just simply say Messi is better than Maradona?
No one said that...
Messi better than Ronaldo is subliterate simpleton and it shouldn't really mean he should be as good as Pele and Maradona.
Easy to explain Messi was not head and shoulders better than any other player in the world last season or the season before. ok
A player who suffered nasty injuries and frequent midseason breaks, almostl managed to carry Barcelona to a league win finishing on equal points with Real.
Even in an injury prone last season he was class whenever he was match fit and ran us ragged at home.
Ronaldo was consistent and injury free and deserved those awards, it shouldn't mean he is a better footballer overall. For the start Ronaldo through out his career hasnt put a dominating performance against any of our rivals although from last season he has managed to score in cagey matches. Messi for instance as an 18 year old tore dominated against.teams like Juventus, Real Madrid, Bayern, Werder to name a few.
Am sick of repeating this arugments again and again as many of you are blinkered in crediting a player simply because he's more talented than our best player.
Top ex-players like George Best obvious have no idea what they're talking about.
Neither does Sir Alex, when he called Ronaldo the best player in the World. Funny how you talk about that season when they finished level on points and conveniently forgets 07/08 where they finished 18 pts behind Real Madrid.
I've already pointed out Messi doesn't have a great record against Real Madrid (the only top team he plays against every season) and has an even worse record against top English teams.
Talent alone doesn't make a great footballer (even if we assume he is more talented), otherwsie we might as well give WPOTY to Danielle or Christian Maldini.
I'm not disagreeing that Messi is having a great 08/09, but to say he was better in the seasons before borders on insanity.
Top ex-players like George Best obvious have no idea what they're talking about.
Bestie had every right to single our Ronaldo, so did Sir Alex as the player deserved the credit. Its not often rival managers like Capello, Hitzfeld, Lippi, Di Stefano and others heaping praise on a player calling him as Maradona's successor.
After Maradona there were some great players Laudrup, Romario, Weah, Baggio, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Zidane, Ronaldinho etc but none of them barring the Fat Ron for a brief period have managed to win over critics, and currently only Messi had managed to do so. These opinions count for nothing but a valid point against posters ho are either blinkered or barely seen him and throwing shite for the sake of doing it.
Funny how you talk about that season when they finished level on points and conveniently forgets 07/08 where they finished 18 pts behind Real Madrid.
I've already pointed out Messi doesn't have a great record against Real Madrid (the only top team he plays against every season) and has an even worse record against top English teams.
Talent alone doesn't make a great footballer (even if we assume he is more talented), otherwsie we might as well give WPOTY to Danielle or Christian Maldini.
I'm not disagreeing that Messi is having a great 08/09, but to say he was better in the seasons before borders on insanity.
Read the post again..I was talking about 06/07 when they finished on equal points with Sevilla and Real Madrid with Ronaldinho and Eto crocked up, Messi almost carried the team to the brink of a league win.
You've already tried out the bullshite that Messi doesnt have a great record against Real Madrid and got stoned many a time in this same thread.
I'll take a creative force with superior dribbling and passing ability anyday and when you talk about the best player in your team i think almost everyone will agree that you would want one that has better creative attributes. Sure you want a defender to be great at heading or a center forward but it isn't something you normally care much for when you have your best player on the ball. Freekicks can make the difference no doubt but Ronaldo isn't particularly great at them anyway, you have all the stats so i'm sure you could tell me how many he scores compared to how many he takes.
Let's see, a winger playing for United gets compared to George Best; a short left footed player playing for Barca gets compared to Maradona, do you spot a trend there?
"Of the 96 leading journalists polled by France Football magazine, 77 voted
Ronaldo as their number one player...
Ronaldo polled a massive 446 points from a maximum of 480."
Obvious they know nothing too...
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