Someone who beats 5 players and scores has obviously done something better than than someone who scores a tap in. The end result for the team is the same i.e a goal is a goal, but their respective contributions to the said goal is different. I'd say a goal where a player beats 5 and sets up a tap in for another is more down to the former despite the latter getting on the scoresheet.
Lionel Messi
- Thread starter cesc's_mullet
- Start date
- Status
The point people are making is not about the "beauty" of the goal, it's about how much did you contribute to the goal. Rooney will get a lot more praise for the bycycle kick vs city than a chance set up by the hard work of many others, and rightfully so.
thank you mate
the difference is that one takes a good chance to score and the other one scores from a non goal situation -50 yards away from the score line-
the latter tells the other team that it doesnt matter what you do to stop him, you know that at any given moment he can do something like that
Indeed, and due to the sheer ridiculous timing of the Ballon d'Or, he'll probably have to win the Copa America to swing things back in his favour again, then it's plain sailing for him.
Think the voting has been submitted already, i seen it in an article on goal.com
I don't know whether it was mentioned in previous pages.
http://www.espnfc.com/barcelona/sto...si-upset-at-being-singled-out-for-uefa-doping
http://www.espnfc.com/barcelona/sto...si-upset-at-being-singled-out-for-uefa-doping
Perfectly natural to for the authorities to want to check, but all players should really receive the same anti-doping testing.
If I recall correctly, similar stuff happened in 2011/2012. Its kinda stupid.
Only gone and scored again.
Is there really any need to bump this and the Cristiano thread every time they score? 
Will he stop scoring with his right foot?
Just posted that in the CL thread, 7 in his last 10 have been right footed.
I like how with one body feint he can create some ridiculous space.
just amazing.
But can he do it on a cold, Tuesday night at Stoke?
Depends on how hard its raining.
tbf, even Ronaldo couldn't score there so it's now fair to assume it's just impossible. but I have no doubt they would trade all of their records and trophies for that one goal.
Agreed. Rain is known to enhance the ability of Ryan Shawcross.
What about hail?
We'll find out next year.
Joining his old pal Bojan is he?
In the PL, yes, at Stoke, no.
this
he can score a hattrick against brazil or real madrid, but stoke is something else
Who was the guy that brought up that Stoke comparison? A PL fanboy from Sky? That Scottish one who has no clue what he is talking about? God, its so stupid.
Or that Arsenal ex who puts lad in for every non PL player he doesnt know? So everyone beside 10 players.
Who was the guy that brought up that Stoke comparison? A PL fanboy from Sky? That Scottish one who has no clue what he is talking about? God, its so stupid.
Or that Arsenal ex who puts lad in for every non PL player he doesnt know? So everyone beside 10 players.
Think it was Andy Gray who kicked it all off
Are City going to sell their whole squad to keep within the FFP if they sign him?
There are only 3 clubs with a big enough turnover to spend 200m+ on one signing and City are not one of them...
It's a meme, no need to take it so seriously.Who was the guy that brought up that Stoke comparison? A PL fanboy from Sky? That Scottish one who has no clue what he is talking about? God, its so stupid.
Or that Arsenal ex who puts lad in for every non PL player he doesnt know? So everyone beside 10 players.
If you're silly enough to believe the rumours, Adidas would help fund any deal to bring him to the Premiership.
still think he should just join Bayern.
Thanks. Good that I dont know the guy. Would die laughing.
Barca would ask a price we could but wouldnt pay. Rightfully so. He is a genius and seems a nice guy but no one is worth 120 or so million.
And such stories about Adidas and other brands helping are just that; stories.
In times of FFP he is Barcas till the summer before his last season. And they will keep extending his contract till he is 35 or something. The name alone is a goldmine.
Anyone also a bit annoyed how many people downplay Messi's World Cup performances? Obviously he wasn't anywhere near his physical peak, but too many people make it sound like he had an average world cup and it was kinda prove that he can't do it without his Barca teammates or nonsense like that. He scored half of Argentina's goals while playing as a number 10, created a ton of chances which his high profile teammates wasted regularly with ridiculous finishing (Di Maria was probably the biggest disappointment of the tournament after his excellent performances for Real before he got injured, Aguero was half-fit and completely useless when he played, as was Higuain with the exception of the goal against Belgium). I've now read several times that Mascherano was Argentina's best player, which makes no sense. He had his standout performance in the ultra defensive semifinal against the Netherlands and was very good in the final, no doubt, but overall? Certainly not. It's like saying Schweinsteiger was Germany's best player, he wasn't, doesn't matter how big a legend he's now for that final performance.
That Argentina side wasn't anything special overall, if you look at the performances of the players and not at the names on the pitch. But I even read a few times that's Messi's fault as well, because he's supposed to make his teammates perform at their best level. I'd understand it if he occupied the space where others prefered to play in, but he actually was really selfless, played very deep most of the time and served the strikers and wingers chances on a silver platter, but they simply wasted them. How's that his fault? It was a solid side, with a core of Garay who played really well in defense, Mascherano having a great tournament in defensive midfield and Messi being left alone in basically everything that happened in the opponent's half.
I get it, many hoped for a Maradona-esque World Cup (and I'm fecking glad it didn't happen ). But it's also obvious that we saw an all time great player nowhere near fully fit playing on an incredibly high level, that few others could reach, even if they're fit. Shouldn't he deserve praise for that?
Should he have won the Golden Ball? Maybe not. While his influence in key moments was really really good, his fitness issues, whatever the reasons were, meant he wasn't the consistent threat throughout games, he can be. But the outcry about it is much more ridiculous than the fact that he actually won it. Sure, you could make a case for James or Robben or give it to Neuer or Müller for winning, but the latter rarely happened (Schillaci, Ronaldo, Kahn, Zidane, Forlan didn't win the World Cup either, when they won the Golden Ball, only 3 out of the 9 times since its existence it went to a winner) and the former two weren't really any better than Messi up until the quarterfinals. James then went out without doing a lot and Robben was just as invisible as Messi in the semifinal they played against each other. Robben scored his 3 goals in the first 2 games of the group stages and while he appeared to be a constant threat in the knockout stages on the counter, there wasn't that much end product to it (with the exception of the dive of course).
Now don't get me wrong, all of those guys played an exceptional tournament and statistics shouldn't be too important in judging players. It's just mind-boggling how much criticism Messi gets for still being as good as all the others and being highly influential into a team reaching the final and narrowly losing it in extra-time. Never before has a high profile player with an obviously great tournament faced that much criticism. It's just sad.
That Argentina side wasn't anything special overall, if you look at the performances of the players and not at the names on the pitch. But I even read a few times that's Messi's fault as well, because he's supposed to make his teammates perform at their best level. I'd understand it if he occupied the space where others prefered to play in, but he actually was really selfless, played very deep most of the time and served the strikers and wingers chances on a silver platter, but they simply wasted them. How's that his fault? It was a solid side, with a core of Garay who played really well in defense, Mascherano having a great tournament in defensive midfield and Messi being left alone in basically everything that happened in the opponent's half.
I get it, many hoped for a Maradona-esque World Cup (and I'm fecking glad it didn't happen
). But it's also obvious that we saw an all time great player nowhere near fully fit playing on an incredibly high level, that few others could reach, even if they're fit. Shouldn't he deserve praise for that?Should he have won the Golden Ball? Maybe not. While his influence in key moments was really really good, his fitness issues, whatever the reasons were, meant he wasn't the consistent threat throughout games, he can be. But the outcry about it is much more ridiculous than the fact that he actually won it. Sure, you could make a case for James or Robben or give it to Neuer or Müller for winning, but the latter rarely happened (Schillaci, Ronaldo, Kahn, Zidane, Forlan didn't win the World Cup either, when they won the Golden Ball, only 3 out of the 9 times since its existence it went to a winner) and the former two weren't really any better than Messi up until the quarterfinals. James then went out without doing a lot and Robben was just as invisible as Messi in the semifinal they played against each other. Robben scored his 3 goals in the first 2 games of the group stages and while he appeared to be a constant threat in the knockout stages on the counter, there wasn't that much end product to it (with the exception of the dive of course).
Now don't get me wrong, all of those guys played an exceptional tournament and statistics shouldn't be too important in judging players. It's just mind-boggling how much criticism Messi gets for still being as good as all the others and being highly influential into a team reaching the final and narrowly losing it in extra-time. Never before has a high profile player with an obviously great tournament faced that much criticism. It's just sad.
Last edited:
@Balu This place is Ronaldo mad so it's to be expected here.
But what I do find odd is the general criticism he got for it. He scored some beauties, everything his team do went through him, he created the most chances in the tournament and his team mates were absolutely terrible. I think it was fitting, even if he wasn't his peak self, that the world stage did get to see a player that might end up as the greatest ever (or among the top few), shine in it.
Basically, he has set such impossible standards in the past, the highest probably the game has seen in recent memory, that people expect him to always be exactly the same, no matter what.
But what I do find odd is the general criticism he got for it. He scored some beauties, everything his team do went through him, he created the most chances in the tournament and his team mates were absolutely terrible. I think it was fitting, even if he wasn't his peak self, that the world stage did get to see a player that might end up as the greatest ever (or among the top few), shine in it.
Basically, he has set such impossible standards in the past, the highest probably the game has seen in recent memory, that people expect him to always be exactly the same, no matter what.
I really tried to leave that name out of it, so that this thread won't be ruined as well
. It has nothing to do with the one who shall not be named in here.I don't want to go there either for sure.I really tried to leave that name out of it, so that this thread won't be ruined as well
Like I said, here it was probably expected, but you're right, it's a more widespread thing. Like I said, anything now that he doesnt do like his playstation cheat code mode self, is going to disappoint people I guess.
Spot fecking on as usual, Balu.Anyone also a bit annoyed how many people downplay Messi's World Cup performances? Obviously he wasn't anywhere near his physical peak, but too many people make it sound like he had an average world cup and it was kinda prove that he can't do it without his Barca teammates or nonsense like that. He scored half of Argentina's goals while playing as a number 10, created a ton of chances which his high profile teammates wasted regularly with ridiculous finishing (Di Maria was probably the biggest disappointment of the tournament after his excellent performances for Real before he got injured, Aguero was half-fit and completely useless when he played, as was Higuain with the exception of the goal against Belgium). I've now read several times that Mascherano was Argentina's best player, which makes no sense. He had his standout performance in the ultra defensive semifinal against the Netherlands and was very good in the final, no doubt, but overall? Certainly not. It's like saying Schweinsteiger was Germany's best player, he wasn't, doesn't matter how big a legend he's now for that final performance.
That Argentina side wasn't anything special overall, if you look at the performances of the players and not at the names on the pitch. But I even read a few times that's Messi's fault as well, because he's supposed to make his teammates perform at their best level. I'd understand it if he occupied the space where others prefered to play in, but he actually was really selfless, played very deep most of the time and served the strikers and wingers chances on a silver platter, but they simply wasted them. How's that his fault? It was a solid side, with a core of Garay who played really well in defense, Mascherano having a great tournament in defensive midfield and Messi being left alone in basically everything that happened in the opponent's half.
I get it, many hoped for a Maradona-esque World Cup (and I'm fecking glad it didn't happen
Should he have won the Golden Ball? Maybe not. While his influence in key moments was really really good, his fitness issues, whatever the reasons were, meant he wasn't the consistent threat throughout games, he can be. But the outcry about it is much more ridiculous than the fact that he actually won it. Sure, you could make a case for James or Robben or give it to Neuer or Müller for winning, but the latter rarely happened (Schillaci, Ronaldo, Kahn, Zidane, Forlan didn't win the World Cup either, when they won the Golden Ball, only 3 out of the 9 times since its existence it went to a winner) and the former two weren't really any better than Messi up until the quarterfinals. James then went out without doing a lot and Robben was just as invisible as Messi in the semifinal they played against each other. Robben scored his 3 goals in the first 2 games of the group stages and while he appeared to be a constant threat in the knockout stages on the counter, there wasn't that much end product to it (with the exception of the dive of course).
Now don't get me wrong, all of those guys played an exceptional tournament and statistics shouldn't be too important in judging players. It's just mind-boggling how much criticism Messi gets for still being as good as all the others and being highly influential into a team reaching the final and narrowly losing it in extra-time. Never before has a high profile player with an obviously great tournament faced that much criticism. It's just sad.
It was said he can't be GOAT, without proving it (or winning) at a WC....he does it....it gets vastly downplayed on here
FFS, not even 3 months later, some are trying to question whether ********is actually even better then Messi
. I mean, come the feck on. Football shouldn't be all about the numbers. But I guess some would choose the argument that suits their agenda.It seems to have really become these days. I wonder if Maradona would be as highly regarded in this era as he currently is. Gerd Muller would probably be top dawg!Spot fecking on as usual, Balu.
It was said he can't be GOAT, without proving it (or winning) at a WC....he does it....it gets vastly downplayed on here
FFS, not even 3 months later, some are trying to question whether ********is actually even better then Messi
- Status