@ Longsden: I agree that the bias is really unbelievable on this forum.
Lionel Messi
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He's played centrally for large chunks of every game I've watched this season. I'd go as far as saying that he spends almost as much time infield as he does on the flanks. Rooney, Ronaldo and Berbatov pop up all over the place in the final third.
I think he was saying Messi has scored more than previous seasons
Well, I think you're wrong Pogue. Yes they all do pop up in different places, but I don't think personally there's any question that Ronaldo has, for most of this season, spent far more time in a conventional wing position, than last season
Agreed, reading some of these posts one would think this was a United forum.
You know what I'm talking about. Those HUGE red tinted glasses,being a fan is one thing but being stubborn is another
At least Ronaldo has a World Footballer of the Year, Ballon d'Or, European Golden Boot, CL, PL medals to prove he's the best.
Unlike say Henry with all those L'Arse fans insisting he was the best around whilst never winning the CL or WFotY...
Unlike say Henry with all those L'Arse fans insisting he was the best around whilst never winning the CL or WFotY...
Henry was a superior footballer to Ronaldo. There's still time for Ronaldo to change that, mind.
Well, Fifa doesn't agree...
Ronaldo has scored more and won more than Henry at his prime.
Trophies are a silly measure of a players greatness.
Saying that I think Ronaldo is a better player than Henry.
Great players tend to win trophies, non?
I'm not saying it should be the be all and end all (May has more medals than Shearer), but you'd have to say Henry is one of only a handful of supposedly great player who hasn't actually won the Champions League.
FIFA didn't deem Rio to be worthy of a place on the shortlist this year. Clearly, we should hold their opinion of footballers in the highest esteem.
Their shortlists are not that great but the ultimate results more often than not make sense.
Barring aerial ability, I'm struggling to think of something in Ronaldo that Henry didn't have in abundance.
He's a very special footballer; just imagine if he'd have played for us!
Ronaldo is two-footed, Henry's left foot is quite average. And Ronaldo can score more goals as well (maybe because of his aerial ability.)
Ronaldo has more tricks and pace, and just as good as Henry as a finisher.
and he scored more last season than Henry ever did.
This argument has been done to death in through out this thread, Kemo and Frankly went ballistic and all Ronaldo fan boys ran away after some time. Try picking things from where they've left than posting this streotyped analysis again once in every five pages.
Maradona. nuff said.
Henry's tactical awareness wasn't great until 2004 or 2005 when he started delivering in the latter stages of the CL, a flop agaisnt organized defendeing predominantly through out his career. Even Ronaldo struggles against organized defences but at least he has seven more years to shrug the monkey off his back.
Henry now can be rated higher considering the things he has achieved in his career, but not by a big margin. One or two good seasons from now on Ronaldo should easily overtake him and end up as a better footballer than Henry ever was, before he's even 27 or 28.
Maradona played at a time where the CL didn't exist!!
The difference is that every player in the top few clubs in the top leagues play in the CL nowadays.
Cal's correct there!
When Maradona was around, European Cup was never a yardstick to rate a footballer or even a club, Apart from the respective leagues, UEFA cup was more tougher and prestugious to win and he won that for Napoli all by himself. It was internationals, Euros and the World Cups, that were a platform to test the fortitude of a footballer then.
These days apart from the league, along with the Euros are a stronger platform to guage a footballer, when all top clubs can play each other regularly, as world cups have turned in to a damp squib.
Henry never needed tricks to go past a player; he embarassed half the Spurs team with nothing but pace, agility and dribbling skill. What is the point in Ronaldo being fast as feck if he simply pulls of a load of tricks as opposed to utilising his pace?
As for the goal scoring thing, Henry has been scoring consistently for years. Ronaldo must replicate what he managed last year if we're going to think about comparing the two on that level.
The point is Ronaldo 07/08 was better than Henry ever was.
You can argue Henry has been more consistent for longer, but not Henry was better...
Goofy ronaldo then.
Well I do rate Ronaldo too but lets be honest with ourselves, apart from scoring an unbelievable amount of goals last season, he really hasn't been setting the world alight with his performances most of the time. At most he has been about at same level as Kaka, Rivaldo, Figo, Ronaldinho etc. (well not quite yet there with Ronaldinho at his best)
Messi, on the other hand, is just from another planet (alongside with Maradona, Pele, Zidane and Cruyff etc). All he needed to do is winning more titles with Barcelona (should be easily done judging the way he is going now.)
Messi, on the other hand, is just from another planet (alongside with Maradona, Pele, Zidane and Cruyff etc). All he needed to do is winning more titles with Barcelona (should be easily done judging the way he is going now.)
Note I said handful? He's within that handful of supposedly great players wihout a CL win.
Anyway, it's well documented that Luiz Ronaldo has underachieved in his club career for all his talent.
It depends on how you define underachievement.
Failure to win trophies even having played along with great names..true.
As for goals he was always on top.
How could you just dismiss 42 goals in a season? How many players can you think of who has scored over 40 goals in a top flight season whilst winning the league and the CL?
You're entitled to your opinion and you obviously prefer the player who look skillful than effective (judging by your opinion on Ronaldinho).
Anyway, you're not going to convince me that Messi (in half a season ripping up La Liga) already deserves to be mentioned along the likes of Maradona or Pele.
That's the one, summed up perfectly.
If Messi maintains his current form for the rest of the season and has atleast 2 or 3 similar seasons, then maybe he would be regarded with amongst the likes of Maradona, Zidane etc.
If Ronaldo recaptures his form of last season and maintains it for 2 or 3 seasons, he would also be regarded amongst the likes of Maradona & Zidane.
For the real fecking first time,I agree with you. I feel sick
Didn't I say I rate Ronaldo? Football is not all about goals anyways. Man Utd win the league and CL, not Ronaldo.
By the way, do you rate Shearer over Cantona judging the goals they scored in their career?
Are you saying Messi isn't effective this season, or Ronaldinho wasn't effective with his 2 successful season with Barcelona? You are making them sound like Helb, whom I don't rate at all.
I am not going to convince you a 21 year old Messi deserves to be mentioned along the likes of Maradona or Pele, who had done it all there. But if one current player is going to reach near their heights, Messi would be the most likely candidate.
Have you not noticed the fact that Ronaldo played a HUGE role in United winning the league and CL?
Have you also conveniently ignored I have talked about trophies many times? Cantona shits on Shearer on what they've achieved in their careers.
Messi this half season has won nothing yet, even if you assume they'd win La Liga, there is still a lot ahead of them in the CL.
Ronaldinho that season did not have a bigger impact on Barca than Ronaldo on United last season. It's not just about the goals, but goals are vitally important, non?
IMO, Ronaldo is ahead of Messi in terms of getting to the Maradona, Zidane level. Now if Messi does win the CL for Barca, and Ronaldo continues his recent bad form, we can re-visit this argument come the Summer.
On the other hand, if United retain the CL with a few Ronaldo goals from now on, you know I'm right.
That's true
Henry's footballing intelligence is light years ahead of Ronaldo's.
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I have a strong feeling that if we do meat Barca in the CL, we'll go through.
I also have a feeling that Inter might knock us out
I also have a feeling that Inter might knock us out
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