Lionel Messi

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Danny1982 said:
I don't mind it. You said I don't care..

At least you're being honest, not trying to pass yourself as somebody who is "just giving an objective opinion" about Messi..
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I'm not giving any opinion on him. I gave an opinion on that defending in that gif and it was poor, I'm sure everyone will agree.

My other post was a joke, and it is a sick human thing, it's obviously not my fave clip of Messi but there something quite funny in watching a guy who is king of the footballing World just struggle for once.

My opinions on Messi are clearly spelt out in that first post you quoted, best player easily since Maradona, adore watching him play, think we're all lucky to be able to witness him.
 
Danny1982 said:
Did you see how quick Messi was? The defender didn't even have time to touch the ball! The defender thought: "Well, Messi might be the best dribbler in the world, but he isn't the best tackler in the world for sure. I think I can protect the ball with my body and maintain possession".

He was wrong, as Messi showed great quickness and tackling ability, keeping his eyes on the ball, and dispossessing him without fouling..

And then he scored..

The defender made a mistake in judgement, but Messi had to work hard to get the ball off him..
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He was quick indeed but I can't see past that terrible defending bit I'm sorry.For these sort of defenders, I would love to see a cruel 'own assist' stat appear.
Messi did very well but the defender created that situation.It wasn't like Messi did something that original, he loves to steal the ball from slow center backs.I'm a CB against Messi and I see him run at me to put me under pressure, I will choose the safest solution (either pass it to a teammate in space or hoof it up)
 
RedLars said:
You can call it that, but at any and all levels I've ever played football (and that's nowhere close to the same universe as La Liga) that would be called giving the ball away. It's fine to give Messi some credit for being alert and snapping it up, but how anyone can see that as anything but a neatly wrapped gift is beyond me.
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This is what Barcelona do though, it is their trademark. The bottom line is this, should a Barca player lose possession, then they need to get it back as soon as possible and not give up like so many players do. I have never seen the likes of Iniesta, Xavi or Messi give up a lost cause and they do it so well. Just one thing of note, isn't Iniesta the best bi-line player in the world? The way he battles his way through defenders instead of just kicking the ball to an opposition player and winning a corner kick. Great player and a joy to watch.
marcosdeto said:
haters will hate :lol:
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Indeed marcos!! Just have to laugh at the Shawcross statement. If that had been Shawcross, Messi would have left him for dead, since Stoke isn't really La Liga quality by any stretch of the imagination.
 
Iniesta is excellent at that but i think he's been over doing it a bit lately, trying to do it each time and eventually defenders get wise to it. He is extremely get and wriggling his way out though.

To stay on topic, this is one of my favourite byline dribbles

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kouroux said:
He was quick indeed but I can't see past that terrible defending bit I'm sorry.For these sort of defenders, I would love to see a cruel 'own assist' stat appear.
Messi did very well but the defender created that situation.It wasn't like Messi did something that original, he loves to steal the ball from slow center backs.I'm a CB against Messi and I see him run at me to put me under pressure, I will choose the safest solution (either pass it to a teammate in space or hoof it up)
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There is no arguing that the defender made a mistake. Saying the defender just "gave" the ball to Messi is something else though..
 
Snake Plissken said:
Iniesta is excellent at that but i think he's been over doing it a bit lately, trying to do it each time and eventually defenders get wise to it. He is extremely get and wriggling his way out though.

To stay on topic, this is one of my favourite byline dribbles

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I not so sure about that snake. He has been doing a great deal of it this season and it is a joy to watch. If he has been overdoing it lately as you say he has, then long may it continue since this is displaying his confidence to take players on. Apart from Messi, he really does make Barcelona tick. The only negatives for that particular side at the moment are Song, Mascherano and Sanchez, the first two being that they are both out of their depth in that squad, and Sanchez is good, but he bottles it big time. He wouldn't look out of place playing for Valencia, since he has bottled so many easy chances that the score against Malaga on sunday could have been 6 or 7 goals to Barcelona.
 
Sanchez is good? I don't really know what he has apart from pace. His ball control, finishing and general awareness are shockingly bad, especially for a guy who seems to get more chances than the vastly superior David Villa!

Fair point about Iniesta, I've missed quite a few of their games this season but in a few I've watched he seemed to go for the byline dribble a little too much and get caught out.
 
Snake Plissken said:
Sanchez is good? I don't really know what he has apart from pace. His ball control, finishing and general awareness are shockingly bad, especially for a guy who seems to get more chances than the vastly superior David Villa!

Fair point about Iniesta, I've missed quite a few of their games this season but in a few I've watched he seemed to go for the byline dribble a little too much and get caught out.
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What I meant to say about Sanchez is that he seems to be in the right place at the right time which is a great attribute to have as an attacking player. However, he is terrible at finding the onion bag at the best of times. As for Iniesta, if he gets caught out, he will try to win the ball back as soon as possible which is a brilliant attitude to have.
 
marcosdeto said:
haters will hate :lol:
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I have nothing against Messi mate, and I think he's far and beyond the best player today, and the best I've ever seen. I've not seen Maradona and Pele so I can't compare, but I find it hard to comprehend them being better than him.
 
marcosdeto said:
let's not make an argument about this, it was a defense mistake and messi hability that ended in that goal

the thing is that redlars, i'm always right, barros and fineh can't get into this thread unless they come to say something very stupid

well, to be fair, barros's stupidity spreads all over the caf. you should read him in the current events forum
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What? Because I find wanking over a goal that is a direct result of schoolboy errors in defence strange? :wenger:
 
Danny1982 said:
There is no arguing that the defender made a mistake. Saying the defender just "gave" the ball to Messi is something else though..
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We'll have to agree to disagree then, because like I said, an error like that would be called giving the ball away at every level of football I have played. I think La Liga players should be held to that standard at least, but perhaps you have a different perspective of football.
 
Snake Plissken said:
Iniesta is excellent at that but i think he's been over doing it a bit lately, trying to do it each time and eventually defenders get wise to it. He is extremely get and wriggling his way out though.

To stay on topic, this is one of my favourite byline dribbles

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oooff!
 
RedLars said:
We'll have to agree to disagree then, because like I said, an error like that would be called giving the ball away at every level of football I have played. I think La Liga players should be held to that standard at least, but perhaps you have a different perspective of football.
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I can't believe it's even being debated to be honest.
 
RedLars said:
We'll have to agree to disagree then, because like I said, an error like that would be called giving the ball away at every level of football I have played. I think La Liga players should be held to that standard at least, but perhaps you have a different perspective of football.
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It is a standard of play that has been used by Barcelona for a great deal of time. If they lose the ball, they will try their hardest to try and win it back, putting pressure on the player to make a mistake. Even great players make mistakes, like Ryan Giggs a few years ago. All he had to do was kick the ball out for a corner whilst he was shepherding the ball out for a goal kick and he manages to get pressurised into making an error and the other team scores from it. I cannot remember for the life of me remember the other team however, we are talking about a player who had nearly 20 years experience and should have known better. These things happen to any player, no matter who they are, if you keep the pressure up, mistakes will happen. Plus there is the 6 second rule for Barcelona, which they apply in every game they play. Messi tried to apply that same rule when he lost the ball and since he was the only Barcelona player in that area, it was up to him to get the ball back, and he did, no foul, no pushing, just doing what Barcelona do every single match.

It was a defensive error, but how many players do you know would have given up after they lost a ball like that? I can only guess that it is very few indeed.
 
I have no idea what Proud Lyon is trying to argue here, the fact that Barca play like that makes the mistake even worse for me as he knows what's coming. It's diabolical defending.
 
I'm always right said:
I have no idea what Proud Lyon is trying to argue here, the fact that Barca play like that makes the mistake even worse for me as he knows what's coming. It's diabolical defending.
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It is diabolical defending, but you still have to give credit where credit is due. If that had been Rooney against Barcelona, I would have said it was down to Rooneys perserverence that got him that goal, would you have still said that it was diabolical defending? I would have said it was down to Rooneys perserverence and the bad defending.

And it would be best if you respond to my post rather than going "no idea what Proud_Lyon is trying..." Common courtesy. ;)
 
have to side with you there. Bottom line, everyone know's he'll chase the ball when he loses it, so fannying around going back towards his own goal was incredibly stupid.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
It is diabolical defending, but you still have to give credit where credit is due. If that had been Rooney against Barcelona, I would have said it was down to Rooneys perserverence that got him that goal, would you have still said that it was diabolical defending? I would have said it was down to Rooneys perserverence and the bad defending.
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I tell you what, put it this way.

Replace Messi with Suarez and the defender with Evra, what would you be saying?

Whichever way you put it, it's awful defending & I'd be fuming if one of ours did that. Fair play to Messi for capitalizing on it though of course.
 
I'm always right said:
I tell you what, put it this way.

Replace Messi with Suarez and the defender with Evra, what would you be saying?

Whichever way you put it, it's awful defending & I'd be fuming if one of ours did that. Fair play to Messi for capitalizing on it though of course.
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I would still say that it is diabolical defending, but I would have to somehow, find a way to admire the perserverence of Suarez, even though he is an idiot of the highest order. So, just as you wrote in your last sentence, you would have to say fair-play to Suarez for capitalizing.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
I would still say that it is diabolical defending, but I would have to somehow, find a way to admire the perserverence of Suarez, even though he is an idiot of the highest order. So, just as you wrote in your last sentence, you would have to say fair-play to Suarez for capitalizing.
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Has anyone said they didn't admire Messi's perseverance? That kinda goes without saying I thought.
 
I'm always right said:
Has anyone said they didn't admire Messi's perseverance? That kinda goes without saying I thought.
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No, you asked me about Suarez and Evra, and I responded in the same way as I would with any attacker who works hard enough. If you work hard enough, the rewards will always be there. Plus, for information, I was stating it as my perserverence and not actually questioning anyone else's.
 
So another away game coming up for Barcelona, against Real Sociedad.

The Anoeta stadium is one of few places that Messi has never scored in, but you wouldn't bet against him considering his surreal away form this season.

Let's put it this way: if Messi were a team on his own, only Barcelona would have scored more away goals than him this season (and only 1 more at that, on 18; he's tied with Betis and RM on 17) :lol: and that's disregarding the fact that he also has 5 away assists.
 
That is true - 4 and a half years younger than when Telmo Zarra reached that total (which stood for 62 years), with 52 more to be top scorer ever in La Liga.
 
He probably has the most records of records for a player or will have if not yet for sure.
 
He's actually scoring more than he was at the same time last season right ? What the feck is this freak who keeps improving his scoring record season after season ?
 
Skorenzy said:
So another away game coming up for Barcelona, against Real Sociedad.

The Anoeta stadium is one of few places that Messi has never scored in, but you wouldn't bet against him considering his surreal away form this season.

Let's put it this way: if Messi were a team on his own, only Barcelona would have scored more away goals than him this season (and only 1 more at that, on 18; he's tied with Betis and RM on 17) :lol: and that's disregarding the fact that he also has 5 away assists.
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Who digs through the records for this?
 
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