Lionel Messi

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Snow said:
Now you're just raising your tail end towards Marcos like a naughty kitty cat.
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Of course not...:lol: Higgy is an honorary frenchman just like myself. Just one thing of note, very proud that my eldest daughter was born in the same hospital as David Trezeguet and my youngest was born in the same hospital as Paul Pogba.:D

On-topic,

Here is the complete stats table for Lionel Messi so far since his very first match:

http://kahkonen.arkku.net/messi/?matches/index/Complete
 
I just don't know, but half of this thread is arguing who's better (Ronaldo vs Messi) and the other half, when it was already established Messi's better, is about his record, how he is the greatest of all time and so on.

I know that 'If you're not interested, then leave' but I'd just want to know what's so interesting about it. Yes, he is the best player currently. Yes, he may be the greatest ever (as I said, unless you're in your sixties, you don't have anything to say about it and I'm not).
 
marcosdeto said:
is a way to say that whatever you say is not important because you are a fanboi
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I think you guys are a bit stuck on your own points and thus this isn't going nowhere.
I don't think you have an agenda. I don't think that Fergus'son thinks that either. He just uses the word 'you' as a an expression for when, oneself, wants to do something. Talking about himself or any other in the 2nd person. Anyone that follows this thread or the La Liga thread knows that you aren't a fan of Barca or Real or dislike them in particular. I'm guessing like me you watch them because of the football and it doesn't hurt that they each have Argentinians in their starting lineup.

I totally get what Fergus'son is saying as well. It had gotten really tiresome to see many of the bumps in this thread. The dude had broken the record, scored again and again it was amazing that he did so. No it wasn't. You already saw him score 88 goals in. The fact that he managed one or two more isn't the amazing part. It was pretty much 2 weeks of the exact same praise and you can't really just ignore that when you visit a football forum daily and this is the most talked about thread in all the forum. You check out why it was bumped and lo and behold, nothing new.

But if that's what people want to do then fine. I get it. I won't do it myself but I get Fergus'son's's's's point.

It's nice to be a fanboi of a player. I miss that a bit. Reason I watch Spanish football almost as I watch English football is because I was a fanboi of a player. Raúl was my man. Then Zidane happened to join him and later on Beckham. Hell, I've still got a few Real Madrid shirts from 10-14 years ago with Raúl's name on them but I sure as hell won't call myself a fan of the team, nor do I root for them a little. I rooted for a player.

Raúl, Beckham, Solskjær. Those were my boys. Now I have none because they're old and gone and no one has replaced them and my country isn't good at football like yours is :(
 
marcosdeto said:
is a way to say that whatever you say is not important because you are a fanboi
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The last mention of it was when it was said that defending someone against what isn't even a criticism but more an observation is just going too far, and is fanboyism.

Like when it was said that tackling was more brutal years ago, just an observation, you can respond by making counter arguments but taking the initial point as some elaborate way of making Messi appear to be less than he is, whe the point is completely true and valid anyway, is going to get people labelled as fanboys.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
Of course not...:lol: Higgy is an honorary frenchman just like myself. Just one thing of note, very proud that my eldest daughter was born in the same hospital as David Trezeguet and my youngest was born in the same hospital as Paul Pogba.:D

On-topic,

Here is the complete stats table for Lionel Messi so far since his very first match:

http://kahkonen.arkku.net/messi/?matches/index/Complete
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That's impressive. Finns be crazy. There's probably no player that has played the game with as much in detail stats about him as Messi.
 
Tomuś said:
I just don't know, but half of this thread is arguing who's better (Ronaldo vs Messi) and the other half, when it was already established Messi's better, is about his record, how he is the greatest of all time and so on.

I know that 'If you're not interested, then leave' but I'd just want to know what's so interesting about it. Yes, he is the best player currently. Yes, he may be the greatest ever (as I said, unless you're in your sixties, you don't have anything to say about it and I'm not).
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Thanks for joining in Tomus. I could be wrong, but the way we were took apart by Barcelona in the Champions League final didn't help matters one little bit. We played really well, but after 10 minutes the match was over. On-topic, it is about a player who has had to battle against all odds of being able to play football. Lionel Messi was 127 cms tall at the age of 10.

Perhaps you may think it is a normal height, but considering that my eldest daughter is 10 and she measures 150 cms, it tells us all the battles he has had to go through to get to where he is today. Is it such a hard thing to try and emphathise with such a player? If I was that tall at that age, I would lose all belief in myself and this shows in his game today. Some people think he is arrogant because of the way he celebrates, but since it looks as though he is a religious man, I guess he is simply thanking the one man who made it possible for him to be one of, if not the best player of his generation.

I don't think money really interests him at all, since his love of football, as Tito stated, is something that has stayed with him since he was a teenager. He wants to play football because he loves the game, and is that really a crime in anyone's book? When I see players like Scholes or Messi, they are so alike in that they love football, it is in their veins, and I guess no amount of money would persuade them otherwise to leave their respective teams. When Paul came out of retirement, it was probably a 50/50 where Sir Alex wanted him to come out of retirement, and the other 50 was probably because he was bored, he couldn't live without it.
 
Snow said:
I think you guys are a bit stuck on your own points and thus this isn't going nowhere.
I don't think you have an agenda. I don't think that Fergus'son thinks that either. He just uses the word 'you' as a an expression for when, oneself, wants to do something. Talking about himself or any other in the 2nd person. Anyone that follows this thread or the La Liga thread knows that you aren't a fan of Barca or Real or dislike them in particular. I'm guessing like me you watch them because of the football and it doesn't hurt that they each have Argentinians in their starting lineup.

I totally get what Fergus'son is saying as well. It had gotten really tiresome to see many of the bumps in this thread. The dude had broken the record, scored again and again it was amazing that he did so. No it wasn't. You already saw him score 88 goals in. The fact that he managed one or two more isn't the amazing part. It was pretty much 2 weeks of the exact same praise and you can't really just ignore that when you visit a football forum daily and this is the most talked about thread in all the forum. You check out why it was bumped and lo and behold, nothing new.

But if that's what people want to do then fine. I get it. I won't do it myself but I get Fergus'son's's's's point.

It's nice to be a fanboi of a player. I miss that a bit. Reason I watch Spanish football almost as I watch English football is because I was a fanboi of a player. Raúl was my man. Then Zidane happened to join him and later on Beckham. Hell, I've still got a few Real Madrid shirts from 10-14 years ago with Raúl's name on them but I sure as hell won't call myself a fan of the team, nor do I root for them a little. I rooted for a player.

Raúl, Beckham, Solskjær. Those were my boys. Now I have none because they're old and gone and no one has replaced them and my country isn't good at football like yours is :(
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Cheers, I certainly don't think Marcos is a fanboy of anyone.

Also, I don't mind this thread being bumped with praise for Messi, don't mind at all.

The only gripe I have is when points such as 'tackling was more brutal years ago' and 'RM did great to win La Liga last year' is met with overly defensive points about how Messi still gets crunched and that Barcelona are to win the league this year. I don't see the need for it, it just reduces any worthwhile point back to the same old boring arguments.
 
Snow said:
I think you guys are a bit stuck on your own points and thus this isn't going nowhere.
I don't think you have an agenda. I don't think that Fergus'son thinks that either. He just uses the word 'you' as a an expression for when, oneself, wants to do something. Talking about himself or any other in the 2nd person. Anyone that follows this thread or the La Liga thread knows that you aren't a fan of Barca or Real or dislike them in particular. I'm guessing like me you watch them because of the football and it doesn't hurt that they each have Argentinians in their starting lineup.

I totally get what Fergus'son is saying as well. It had gotten really tiresome to see many of the bumps in this thread. The dude had broken the record, scored again and again it was amazing that he did so. No it wasn't. You already saw him score 88 goals in. The fact that he managed one or two more isn't the amazing part. It was pretty much 2 weeks of the exact same praise and you can't really just ignore that when you visit a football forum daily and this is the most talked about thread in all the forum. You check out why it was bumped and lo and behold, nothing new.

But if that's what people want to do then fine. I get it. I won't do it myself but I get Fergus'son's's's's point.

It's nice to be a fanboi of a player. I miss that a bit. Reason I watch Spanish football almost as I watch English football is because I was a fanboi of a player. Raúl was my man. Then Zidane happened to join him and later on Beckham. Hell, I've still got a few Real Madrid shirts from 10-14 years ago with Raúl's name on them but I sure as hell won't call myself a fan of the team, nor do I root for them a little. I rooted for a player.

Raúl, Beckham, Solskjær. Those were my boys. Now I have none because they're old and gone and no one has replaced them and my country isn't good at football like yours is :(
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Mine were Raul, Cantona, Solskjaer and Juninho. Real were a great team those days. The days when they had Figo, Carlos, Zidane, Luiz Ronaldo, Guti, Raul really put fear into La Liga teams those days. Now they only have at most Benzema (who is nowhere near Zidanes class), Higuain, Ronaldo and Ozil. I would be more scared going against a Del Bosque team than the Mourinho team.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
Thanks for joining in Tomus. I could be wrong, but the way we were took apart by Barcelona in the Champions League final didn't help matters one little bit. We played really well, but after 10 minutes the match was over. On-topic, it is about a player who has had to battle against all odds of being able to play football. Lionel Messi was 127 cms tall at the age of 10.

Perhaps you may think it is a normal height, but considering that my eldest daughter is 10 and she measures 150 cms, it tells us all the battles he has had to go through to get to where he is today. Is it such a hard thing to try and emphathise with such a player? If I was that tall at that age, I would lose all belief in myself and this shows in his game today. Some people think he is arrogant because of the way he celebrates, but since it looks as though he is a religious man, I guess he is simply thanking the one man who made it possible for him to be one of, if not the best player of his generation.

I don't think money really interests him at all, since his love of football, as Tito stated, is something that has stayed with him since he was a teenager. He wants to play football because he loves the game, and is that really a crime in anyone's book? When I see players like Scholes or Messi, they are so alike in that they love football, it is in their veins, and I guess no amount of money would persuade them otherwise to leave their respective teams. When Paul came out of retirement, it was probably a 50/50 where Sir Alex wanted him to come out of retirement, and the other 50 was probably because he was bored, he couldn't live without it.
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That's all well and well-known. I appreciate him but I don't have to write bloody litany every two pages, do I? Also I do know that 127 cm is very little for any boy at the age of ten, I'm not that stupid even though I don't have kids yet. I'm also happy that doping GH enabled him to play football, believe me.

And yet the thread about the currently most entertaining football player is the most boring one on here. Is that right?

Also, enlight me what does the fact they beat us have to do with it? Going by this logic, we got murdered by West Ham on that snowy night. I don't see Carlton Cole's thread being occupied in great numbers though.
 
Proud_Lyon said:
Do you have a sense of humour? I just thought it was funny, that was all.
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I think so, in fact probably 60 % of my posts here on RedCafe consist of " :lol: " in response to funny posts. It just wasn't very funny is all, and kietotheworld explained why much more succinctly almost directly after my post.
 
So. I heard he finished third in the vote for Argentina's sports person of the year. A boxer too the gold and a taekwondo gold medalist came in 2nd. Maybe a hard prize to earn for a footballer during an Olympic year.
 
RedLars said:
I think so, in fact probably 60 % of my posts here on RedCafe consist of " :lol: " in response to funny posts. It just wasn't very funny is all, and kietotheworld explained why much more succinctly almost directly after my post.
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Then I am most certainly in the wrong place then. I need to go and find a place where someone has actually got a sense of humour and able to laugh about predictions that have gone horribly wrong rather than having my head bitten off...:rolleyes:
 
Proud_Lyon said:
Then I am most certainly in the wrong place then. I need to go and find a place where someone has actually got a sense of humour and able to laugh about predictions that have gone horribly wrong rather than having my head bitten off...:rolleyes:
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But that particular prediction didn't go horribly wrong, as I simply pointed out. Try following Brwned around for a while, he's got the art of humiliating people by digging up their old-predictions-gone-horribly-wrong down to a tee!
 
Gio said:
Yes, but again it doesn't compare with pre-1990s, an era when the first tackle was regarded as a 'free tackle' and one which would today generally merit a straight red card. How many games has Messi missed in the last four years as a result of the treatment dished out by opposition defenders?
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So you're assessing Messi's greatness, or lack thereof, because he's been lucky enough to not suffer a serious injury? Bizarre.
 
mightberight said:
So you're assessing Messi's greatness, or lack thereof, because he's been lucky enough to not suffer a serious injury? Bizarre.
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If not for injuries van Basten would've won at least four Ballon D'ors and Ronaldo likely would have done the same so of course injuries play a part and Messi's exceptional fitness record in his 20s certainly helps him. Just look at how he was perceived when he was injury-prone in his teens, if that had continued then he wouldn't be breaking records and people would still be saying he's got it all to prove.
 
Snow said:
So. I heard he finished third in the vote for Argentina's sports person of the year. A boxer too the gold and a taekwondo gold medalist came in 2nd. Maybe a hard prize to earn for a footballer during an Olympic year.
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Not sure what he has to do :lol: Clearly, for the Argentinians to mark him as their greatest sportsman, he's going to need to win the World Cup.
 
mightberight said:
So you're assessing Messi's greatness, or lack thereof, because he's been lucky enough to not suffer a serious injury? Bizarre.
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No. But suggesting any current player receives the same treatment as in previous eras is well wide of the mark. The treatment Pele received in 1966 would have been comical for it's bloody single-mindedness had it not been such a damning indictment of the way hammer-throwers were allowed to bin the best players with little come-back. Maradona and Van Basten spent much of their career playing off one leg with their ankles damaged beyond repair as a result of more lenient refereeing. When Van Basten had to retire at 27/28, FIFA rightly imposed stricter regulation on 'tackles from behind' and 'professional fouls'. And just as well as it's allowed more creative players such as Messi to flourish.
 
Snow said:
So. I heard he finished third in the vote for Argentina's sports person of the year. A boxer too the gold and a taekwondo gold medalist came in 2nd. Maybe a hard prize to earn for a footballer during an Olympic year.
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Sergio Martinez on winning the award over Messi (3rd):

I think there was a mistake, I say this sincerely. Last night it left me floored. Now I repeat it, I believe Leo today is intractable, invincible. I can't win against him. And I'm very proud to be behind him, Messi is better than I am. An incredible athlete from another planet. I could be the best among human athletes but he is from another planet.
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At the moment Messi's career record for FC Barcelona reads:

355 apps (300 starts), 288 goals, 109 assists
 
I've not seen anyone with such awareness,composure and reactions like Messi, forget alone ability. A true master of the game. He's so consistent he almost makes his consistency feel boring.
 
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Danny1982 said:
Blame Messi.
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Forgot it was the last game of the year. Not appropriate timing for that comment.

Why wasn't he kept on the bench against Benfica and why did he miss that chance so horribly with his right today. Would have been 8 games in a row with a brace.

On a side note, 1 assist in the last 15 games. Makes you wonder if his mind really was on the goal record or if that's just his change of style from him this season. Gone 'Ronaldo mode' but his 'Ronaldo mode' are even more goals.
 
Snow said:
Forgot it was the last game of the year. Not appropriate timing for that comment.

Why wasn't he kept on the bench against Benfica and why did he miss that chance so horribly with his right today. Would have been 8 games in a row with a brace.

On a side note, 1 assist in the last 15 games. Makes you wonder if his mind really was on the goal record or if that's just his change of style from him this season. Gone 'Ronaldo mode' but his 'Ronaldo mode' are even more goals.
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I wonder how much it would cost to have these 2 bastards have a 1on1 just for your viewing!
 
Snow said:
Forgot it was the last game of the year. Not appropriate timing for that comment.

Why wasn't he kept on the bench against Benfica and why did he miss that chance so horribly with his right today. Would have been 8 games in a row with a brace.

On a side note, 1 assist in the last 15 games. Makes you wonder if his mind really was on the goal record or if that's just his change of style from him this season. Gone 'Ronaldo mode' but his 'Ronaldo mode' are even more goals.
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I actually thought you were complimenting Messi with your previous post, that we have to update the video every week, because he keeps scoring every week..

To be honest he didn't stop providing his teammates with very good chances every game, it's just that they were quite wasteful in the last few games.

And yes, the year is over, so you can relax now.. :p
 
fecking hell some of the goals he has scored in a year would feature for any top players career best goals.

He is clearly the best ever, no matter what the doubters say about the world cup.

Look at the number of chipped goals ffs! So effortless. He is cheating.
 
I'd like him more if he was awesome more sporadically.

He's so good it's become boring.
 
Snow said:
Forgot it was the last game of the year. Not appropriate timing for that comment.

Why wasn't he kept on the bench against Benfica and why did he miss that chance so horribly with his right today. Would have been 8 games in a row with a brace.

On a side note, 1 assist in the last 15 games. Makes you wonder if his mind really was on the goal record or if that's just his change of style from him this season. Gone 'Ronaldo mode' but his 'Ronaldo mode' are even more goals.
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I partially agree with that. He still creates opportunities for others in most games but Alexis and Pedro, however great their off the ball movement and work rate is, can't finish to save their lives at the moment. He seems to be creating much less compared to last season though. The funny thing is that even with only 1 assist in his last 15, he still has twice the amount (8) of assists that C. Ronaldo has (4) and only 1 less than Rooney (9) so far this season.
 
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