Nah, people bring it up. Less so though, because not at one point in history did anyone proclaim those last 2 players the greatest of all time. It's not rocket science.
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Nah, people bring it up. Less so though, because not at one point in history did anyone proclaim those last 2 players the greatest of all time. It's not rocket science.
you know how it is, to admit he is the GOAT he must accomplish imposible misions, like playing against the same players pele did, or in naples for napoli, but in 1987
and if he ever does that, he'll have to win a world cup playing for sri lanka's national team
in a few words, there will never be a better player than pele or maradona because, apparently, they played blinfolded against serial killers without referees
in fact, if you say messi scored 300 goals, they say, pele scored 1000
then you say maradona only scored 16, then they claim that it was impossible to score a single goal unless you were maradona
it seems that scoring one penalty goal against pescara in 1987 has more merit than scoring 4 against arsenal in the champions league in 2009
pescara defenders were invincible, while arsenal defenders were invisible
Claudio Gentile! The definition of physical approach. What a great player. We don't produce gems like him any longer.
I, personally, wasn't digging at anything, specially as I'm part of the faction that sees Messi as GOAT.
Just giving an example to illustrate that there's no comparison between tackling in ancient times and tackling now. And agree with you when saying that there's no reason to suggest that Messi (or other contemporary greats) would have handled those any worse than others did at the time. Fortunately, he won't need to prove it.
It's hard to make simple points regarding Messi without people getting overly defensive about him.
Spot on. It's fanboism to the highest power.
And a big reason why I find these debates pointless. It's like a race without a finish line
then there's no point arguing, you say something bad about messi and no one should reply, else, he is a fanboy
so it's established, pele and maradona undisputable GOATS
Indeed.
btw, defending maradona and pele is not fanboism? is what? historical review i guess
Why do you always resort to reductio ad absurdum with Messi, Marco? What's wrong with pointing out that those he's being compared with had to overcome obstacles that he didn't? It's possible to think Messi's the best while acknowledging Maradona played against tougher* defenders at a time when teams were more cynical and defensive-minded. In fact it looks like the majority putting forth these arguments do think Messi's right up there alongside the others if not above them.
*tougher, not better - let's not start that again
because i'm a fanboy, obviously
i'm laughing at the ones that argue that messi will never be as good as maradona and pele because they played in a different era, then, if that's right, why argue?
Those obstacles only exist in the eyes of Pele's and Maradona's fanboys. The same fanboys who don't see the obstacles that Messi had to overcome, that Maradona and Pele didn't have to, or couldn't overcome.
And what do you mean by "tougher but not better defenders"?? I honestly have no idea what do you mean by that.. You mean that defenders in Maradona's era looked like this??
Case in point...
Plenty of people have. There's loads of people who foolishly believe Zidane is the best player ever.
There's obstacles that Messi's had to overcome that they didn't too though.
Yet when that is highlighted or brought into the equation it's labelled "fanboyism".
I think it''s also incorrect to say the teams Maradona faced were more "defensive minded" than the teams Messi has faced.
Please read my old post about Pele and Best getting special treatment as I have already alluded to this.
Do you have a sense of humour? I just thought it was funny, that was all.
Exactly this.
Exactly this.
it's funny how only messi's fans are fanbois, the rest, are good old supporters that speak the truth and are just passionate
Anyone that 'supports' an individual player will probably be labelled a fanboi. Anyone that speaks about players objectively without getting thier knickers in a twist at even the slightest hint of a criticism, won't.
I'v said many times that I think Messi will end his career as the GOAT but have never been labelled a Messi fanboi once, there's many others like this too.
I'v said many times that I think Messi will end his career as the GOAT but have never been labelled a Messi fanboi once, there's many others like this too.
The way I see it is like this, for Messi to be the GOAT, he has to:
- Play against some of the roughtest, toughest defenders in the game.
- He somehow needs to win the world cup on his own, no need for other players in the team.
- He needs to go to Italy to a local team like Sardinia and help them win the Scudetto and a European trophy against some of the meanest players in the world.
Or, he could continue as he is and be elected by his peers and continue collecting the Ballon D'Or. The players and coaches know exactly what they are talking about. When Ronaldo won it, he deserved it, there is no disputing it. However, when we are talking about a player who is probably going to win it for a 4th time then, he must be doing something right. The only one person who is bitter is Pele who thinks that Neymar is greater. Believe me that when I say that if Cristiano Ronaldo had played for Manchester City, do you think he would have got as much praise? Of course not. Anyway, onwards and upwards and onto the new year.
ok, did mrmarcello or spoony called fanbois the ones claiming that ronaldo is better than messi?
I have in the past. There are a few of them in this thread.
I was a fan of Ronaldo too, but when they leave the club, I no longer follow their careers. I have never done that with Beckham, nor Keane (my favourite player), nor Robson or even Butt. These players moved on and for me, once they moved on, that was it. It is like an ex-girlfriend. Once she leaves you, you just forget about her and move on with your life. Life goes on after Ronaldo, Maradona, Zidane, Beckham, Cruyff, Best et al. The same thing will happen with Messi, people will always follow those who are deemed special, in spite of that player having no affiliation with the club you support.
didnt see that, but why is it a fanboy someone that thinks messi is one of the greatest?
Hang on, and who's said he's not one of the greatest? He may go down as the greatest of all time.
this is a thread about messi, every time he beats a record we say "wow" he did this or that", and every time comes a non fanboi, a perfectly normal fan, to say "yes, but he did it on hormones" "pele did it in a mine field" or "maradona did it with his unborn and unrecogniced kids" or "ronaldo didnt do it because he can't be arsed"
yet we are the fanbois
I don't want to derail the thread much, but I am still waiting for the "White Pele", to make an appearance...
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Yes.
It's unbearable with some Messi fanatics that it detracts from the player's greatness. Some of these fanatics come along after every match clamoring about like school girls over the BMOC.
I've witness this in the 90s during Jordan's run to the point where there was a group of anti-Jordan fanatics simply to oppose the lunatics that sucked his cock every gameday. It's a bit like Glaston in the CAF raving about Spurs non-stop, often to delusional levels that only fanatics can reach. So much this thread has descended into a field of bickering school girls taking any perceived comment against Messi as a personal insult. Makes me want to root against the player instead of enjoying his performances and love for the game.
I've witness this in the 90s during Jordan's run to the point where there was a group of anti-Jordan fanatics simply to oppose the lunatics that sucked his cock every gameday. It's a bit like Glaston in the CAF raving about Spurs non-stop, often to delusional levels that only fanatics can reach. So much this thread has descended into a field of bickering school girls taking any perceived comment against Messi as a personal insult. Makes me want to root against the player instead of enjoying his performances and love for the game.
It isn't, it's someone who gets on the defensive about him when there's hardly anything to get defensive about.
The other day I said RM should be commended for winning La Liga last year, breaking so many records in the process. The response? 'Well Barcelona and Messi are going to break even more records this year'. It's almost like 'my dads bigger than your dad' argument, every single time.
then stay out of this thread, i mean, your input is not THAT awesome, no matter what you think
well, to be fair, that was a pretty stupid response
even though we all know that my dad is bigger that yours
It baffles my how anyone south of their sixties or so can pass the judgement on who's the greatest of all time.
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