I hope ABU is not a bad thing?
Lionel Messi
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I hope ABU is not a bad thing?
Its 'Anyone But United'... so no it's not that good
I knew it'd be some sort of guilt by association attempt. I guess this is the part where I write a long response to marcus about what a passionate United fan I am, all my favorite United players and priceless United memories. Oh well, let me get to it.Absolutely, one of the best open play defenders in the world; arguably the best over the past few years. Counter-attack buster. His experience, athleticism and speed are crucial to their system as he is expected to deal with any threat when the attackers are pushing forward and lose possession.
Agreed. Been saying the same for most of the season ... he hasn't been as sharp in many aspects of his game. Iniesta, Xavi and Pique have also been below par for stretches too.
Their pressing game was almost non-existant compared with previous seasons.
Agreed. That is what makes it all the more scary.
Messi
09'-10': 47 goals, 57% directly assisted
10'-11': 53 goals, 53% directly assisted
11'-12': 72 goals, 44% directly assisted
Norm for a forward:
CR
10'-11': 53 goals, 75% directly assisted
11'-12': 59 goals, 71% directly assisted
RvP
11'-12': 37 goals, 81% directly assisted
09'-10': 47 goals, 57% directly assisted
10'-11': 53 goals, 53% directly assisted
11'-12': 72 goals, 44% directly assisted
Norm for a forward:
CR
10'-11': 53 goals, 75% directly assisted
11'-12': 59 goals, 71% directly assisted
RvP
11'-12': 37 goals, 81% directly assisted
What does directly assisted mean? Must be a new, relevant statistical term for measuring footballer quality that I'm not familiar with.
They just keep popping up!
They just keep popping up!
I am guessing it's some kind of 'only needs to get a shot in' stat whereas an indirectly assisted goal sounds like one that leaves the scorer with more work to do than that.
To be fair, 59 goals is NOT the norm for a forward.
I assume it's directly assisted when it takes you less than a certain amount of touches to score, possibly one or two, and it's not directly assisted when it requires more touches or a run.
Anything to make Messi look good... next it'd be number of chips scored.
Even thought Ronaldo has a high percentage on it?
I've no idea what the feck it even means.
Yeah me neither, he's looked knackered at times, no surprise as he's never rested, ever. He needs a good rest over the Summer. It's a scary fecking thought what he'll be like next season if he does.
It means that Ronaldo only scores tap ins and penalties.
Don't be buthurt Cal? it was a joke.
Are you still honestly of firm belief that Messi isn't currently (and has been for the past 3-4 seasons) better than Ronaldo? Just curious, that's all.
Hells teeth.
I would think that this is the case indeed. It just seemed like such an arbitrary stat to start looking at. Who decides what constitutes directly assisted, and how many touches you can take before it becomes an indirect assist? What if you use one hard touch and you have to run past a couple of players before you shoot? Do we have to start categorizing assists in terms of direct and indirect assists as well now? What's the relative value of the these two types compared to each other and a goal? What are Pele's stats in terms of directly and indirectly assisted goals?
The implications of this brand new stat are endless!
Well my guess is Opta needs some new exclusive stats to keep their customers interested in their services?
Currently (this season) Ronaldo is better. I've admitted many times that Messi was better for 08/09-10/11, but like Ronaldo was better for 06/07-07/08.
Anyway, no one comparison talk in this thread.
Cal? the most diehard and stubborn Ronaldo fan ever.Ronaldo better than Messi this season, only in your fantasies
the most diehard and stubborn Ronaldo fan ever.Ronaldo better than Messi this season, only in your fantasiesSeriously? What kind of comment is that? I have a single infraction in my entire time on the caf, and that was in the newbies. You have no reason to come out with stuff like that. Totally uncalled for.
To elaborate, that LOL smiley was for claiming that Abidal is one of Barca's most important players. In a club that has Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, Alves, Fabregas, Busquets all playing consistently and all being vastly more important for the side than Abidal, I though a LOL smiley was enough. But hey I guess Ill spell everything out from now on, or you will ban me. Good going.
Edit: I actually have two infractions, but none of them are for "manners".
This has got to be a WUM? Seriously.
Bobby Charlton agrees with him. He said recently that Ronaldo has been the best player this season.
Seriously? What kind of comment is that? I have a single infraction in my entire time on the caf, and that was in the newbies. You have no reason to come out with stuff like that. Totally uncalled for.
To elaborate, that LOL smiley was for claiming that Abidal is one of Barca's most important players. In a club that has Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, Alves, Fabregas, Busquets all playing consistently and all being vastly more important for the side than Abidal, I though a LOL smiley was enough. But hey I guess Ill spell everything out from now on, or you will ban me. Good going.
Edit: I actually have two infractions, but none of them are for "manners".
whatever, you better start improving your manners if you don't want to be part of the worst caf history
And Pele as well.
Seriously? What kind of comment is that? I have a single infraction in my entire time on the caf, and that was in the newbies. You have no reason to come out with stuff like that. Totally uncalled for.
To elaborate, that LOL smiley was for claiming that Abidal is one of Barca's most important players. In a club that has Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol, Alves, Fabregas, Busquets all playing consistently and all being vastly more important for the side than Abidal, I though a LOL smiley was enough. But hey I guess Ill spell everything out from now on, or you will ban me. Good going.
Edit: I actually have two infractions, but none of them are for "manners".
Difference being than when Iniesta is out, Fabregas comes in and it barely affects matters. When Abidal is out, a converted midfielder like Adriano has to mascherade as a left-back or Guardiola attempts a convoluted 3-4-3 formation.
All the proof needed to show that Charlton in all likelihood is talking nonsense.
Pele has an almost unworldly ability to pick opinions that are the opposite of right.
You may disagree, I do, but Pele and Charlton, one arguably the greatest ever the other in the top bracket probably are better placed to comment on the best player in the world...
Why? Being a great footballer doesn't make you a great judge of footballers' talent.
Pele actually said this about Messi and Ronaldo recently:
Pele agree for the sake of Messi being Argentinian. If Messi were Brazilian he would no doubt be calling him the best.
Charlton might like Ronaldo better because he's an ex-United player but at least he doesn't have a history of speaking nonsense.
Fact is that Cal isn't the only one with this opinion this season. They've both been excellent this season. I don't find it odd that anyone prefers one over the other as long as those two make up the top two. I'm not sure myself. Both have won many games single handedly this season. I'm not a captain or a national team coach so I don't have to vote so I don't see the need myself to give them any labels.
Moved on from burying Messi to burying Ronaldo rofl.
Peletroll.
Peletroll.
Yeah, great Pele who said that Neymar is the best player in the world is great person to judge, no doubt about that.
He was visiting madrid and arranging friendly game against them, you expected him to say this kind of things to madrid's papers: " Nah, Ronaldo isn't on Messi's level, Messi is something else, and Ronaldo is just goalscoring machine."
And how did you forgot to mention that he said Ronaldo from Manchester United is better player than RM's Ronaldo?
He was visiting madrid and arranging friendly game against them, you expected him to say this kind of things to madrid's papers: " Nah, Ronaldo isn't on Messi's level, Messi is something else, and Ronaldo is just goalscoring machine."
And how did you forgot to mention that he said Ronaldo from Manchester United is better player than RM's Ronaldo?
Revelated tried (and failed) to make this known to us. But apparently Lionel Messi called Royston Drenthe 'negro'. But as he points out, it is used in South America.
Very strange to bring this up now, but at the same time you can't just go around making unfounded accusations. Unless you're Patrice Evra of course.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...elona-ace-Lionel-Messi-called-me-a-negro.html
Very strange to bring this up now, but at the same time you can't just go around making unfounded accusations. Unless you're Patrice Evra of course.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...elona-ace-Lionel-Messi-called-me-a-negro.html
Only problem with that is, other than in terms of mere goal numbers, they've never been in the same category if we're talking about their performances and achievements and most likely never will be. Even the goals question Messi tends to edge, this year more so. This is actually a reality that's not lost on the vast majority of the football world, and we see that all the time with the sorts of endorsements he receives from his fellow footballers and managers and the support he receives when ballon d'or time comes.
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