players such as Figo have played for both sides, its not unheard off
Lionel Messi
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players such as Figo have played for both sides, its not unheard off
And Ronaldo. And Laudrup. And Luis Enrique.
Nah, I know, I was having a laugh...But, no, CR to Barça could never happen in reality, IMO...Ronaldo, Figo and Laudrup were similar stars and all played for Barça first...Plus, if we're being honest, CR does not have the makeup of a Barça teammate and certainly wouldn't fit the Pep profile
In an alternate reality, it'd be an interesting lineup for fantasy enthusiasts, though...CR is terrific on that left wing while Leo owns the right
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And exactly the kind of player not a single English academy would allow through it's doors.
That's what nails it in his favor imo. His consistency is unreal.
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Wonder if he sees that picture and quickly spins round
I'm shuddering at the idea of a future Sanchez-Messi-Neymar forward-line more and more.....
By some distance, the best ever player I have ever watched.I don't have enough words to describe the kinda player he is.Amazing achievement to be the all time goalscorer at this age already, if he stays healthy he is gonna completely smash it.
Exactly. I remember a young, short player who was suffering from asthma who was released from our academy despite having a great vision, passing and technique. Oh, hang on.
That, to be fair, also has to do with the team he plays in. Xavier doesn't control games so consistently on every platform because he's on a different planet to any central midfielder before him. The team and its ability collectively as well as that of a few individuals gives Xavi a far greater chance to do so. I don't know how consistent maradona was. I never saw him. But playing in a super team that keeps the ball for 7 out of every 10 mins has big big advantages. In contrast, imposing yourself for us last season away from was an immeasurably harder task. Perspective.
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its good how he used his first name instead of 'Muamba'. like he doesnt have a first name.
When you don't know someone very well you surely use their last name when referring to them. Strange criticism to have of others who've carried out similar good gestures like messi.
it's all about fast twitch muscles.
I'm not sure how much of a part that plays.
Having the ball most of the time is good and dandy, but it doesnt win you games. Hes the cutting edge nearly every time for his team, creating and in terms of goals.
Read an interesting stat earlier which amused me, of Xavi's 10 league goals Messi has assisted 2.
Of Messi's 34 league goals Xavi assisted a big fat '0'
The gestures they have carried out are good and there is no problem with using his second name but personally I feel it just adds something when using the first name in a crisis like this.
He's shown several times now that he's very good in the air from a technical point of view.He just isn't tall enough to score more or be more of a threat but his heading technique is spot on
eh? Arsenal have excellent ball retention. Where did it get them?
Even if you discount the 'team he plays in' factor, how many players churn out his level of individual skill on a regular basis? Ronaldinho did it for a while but that's it. Only for a while. I support the opposite argument actually. Barcelona would be a lot weaker without him. Don't get me wrong, they'd still be very hard to beat but not near the level they are right now with Messi in the side. The 'team' factor works for him in the sense that the fact that he's surrounded by such great players that most of his play leads somewhere. Whereas in a poorer team, it probably wouldn't result in so many goals or assists. Which again, wouldn't make him any lesser of a player.
There's no comparison between Barcelona and Arsenal. The former aren't good at just ball retention. Even without Messi the same lot won the Euros and the World Cup. He is absolute phenomenon of course, but the team even without him is a champion side.
My point is simply that you do have to put things in perspective to make a valid comparison between any two items/people/teams. I never saw Maradona. But I'd suggest those comparing the two take the teams they played for into consideration. If Maradona wasn't as consistent as Messi ask yourself whether he was part of a team as good as Barcelona and how he would have fared in such an outstanding team. I would answer that question if I saw Maradona.
Not much of a surprise. That's like Paul Scholes not racking up big numbers since he started playing deeper. The closer you are to goal the more likely you are to pick up assists because you're more likely to play the final pass. Henry was a brilliant player but he did get a lot of assists out of being a good all round player who happened to play as a striker. It indicates the quality of a player but it doesn't tell you the full story (the assist stat).
As for the how much of a role the team you play in plays - a HUGE deal. I can't see how one could argue otherwise. I have no doubt that Scholes would control games even better if he played in that Barcelona midfield. Unless one is not good enough for that level or goes against the grain of the teams ethos, your level usually gets better surrounded by better players.
He clearly is amazing. I'm just making a case for the team counting for something. Not to bring him down but asking those in a position (given I'm not) to compare him with the supposed greatest ever to take it into consideration when doing so.
Indeed. That is why he is leading Argentina to heights never seen before. I can't wait to see Argentina led by him retaining their world cup crown. .....
Thats international football though.
Different kettle of fish, they wouldnt win the league or CL without him in my opinion.
Spain have far and away the best national side and you have Llorente, you've had torres, Ramos, Alonso, Silva, Casillas and others. So its not exactly the Barca side minues Messi.
Infact Spains euro 2008 side looked much better than their WC winning side and there werent too many barca players in there
I'm so cool I violate the 3rd law of thermodynamics...
I watched those goals, only the lob was awesome, the others were well taken, but nowhere worthy of the wanking I've seen on here. He's the best player today, definitely in the best top 10 players ever, may be the best ever one day (waiting for the next World Cup/Copa America), but I'm not building my Messi shrine right now.
I'm so cool I violate the 3rd law of thermodynamics...
I watched those goals, only the lob was awesome, the others were well taken, but nowhere worthy of the wanking I've seen on here. He's the best player today, definitely in the best top 10 players ever, may be the best ever one day (waiting for the next World Cup/Copa America), but I'm not building my Messi shrine right now.
the wanking is because he beat the record with a hattrick at 24
i guess you've seen a lot of players do the same
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It looks like he's having to do that awkward trick where you have an erection and have to tuck it in the waist of your shorts.
Which would make the wording on his t-shirt somewhat unfortunate.
I'm so cool I violate the 3rd law of thermodynamics...
I watched those goals, only the lob was awesome, the others were well taken, but nowhere worthy of the wanking I've seen on here. He's the best player today, definitely in the best top 10 players ever, may be the best ever one day (waiting for the next World Cup/Copa America), but I'm not building my Messi shrine right now.
It's a shame that you are not realizing the full capacity of what Messi is actually doing.
I agree. I'm sure it'll sink in soon, and I can then join the circle
There'd be no shame in joining it brother .We'll welcome you
.We'll welcome youhe can think of messi whatever he wants, is his prerrogative, but he looks down at the rest of us as if he was supercool
Best player I've ever seen.
Looking at his goals compilation, has there ever been a better finisher?
He just puts the ball wherever he wants to.
Looking at his goals compilation, has there ever been a better finisher?
He just puts the ball wherever he wants to.
1- Spain won the Euros with 3 Barcelona players, and they had a massive advantage in the world cup over the other teams because of the chemistry their squad had. They do have two of the best players in the planet in Xavi and Iniesta, but if you throw Xavi and Iniesta in the England squad, I don't think England would have won the world cup. And even with that huge advantage, in addition to the great squad they had, they only managed four 1-0s in the knock out stages to win the world cup much less convincingly than tha way Barcelona (=Spain+Messi) win their games at a much higher level.
Now on club level, the story will be very different for Barcelona if they don't have Messi in their squad, I believe.
2- Also, Brazil in 1962 proved that they can win the world cup without Pele. And since Pele's reputation is largely based on his world cup successes (unlike Messi), I think your point applies more to Pele than to Messi to be honest..
Anyone can't appreciate the genius and understand the praise being lavished on him will just need to...
Some of these are really good.
Especially fanboy internationals
http://www.argentinafootballworld.com/a-handful-of/136-messi-myth-makers.html
Especially fanboy internationals
http://www.argentinafootballworld.com/a-handful-of/136-messi-myth-makers.html
Sorry but just read this on twitter
Actually, it's the guys who 'truly appreciate' his genius that seem to get too rattled at even the slight hint of a debate. It's as if everyone should just come to this thread and bow down for the sake of it. feck that.
Besides, I don't see anything in my posts that fits the bill of what you just said. I'm simply asking those comparing the two to take all factors into account. It leads to a better comparison than summing careers that span years or decade up in numbers without any consideration for circumstances. I'm not particularly advocating one conclusion or another.
What two?
I just wanted to use that brilliant gif. I think you're taking it too seriously
I just wanted to use that brilliant gif. I think you're taking it too seriously
What two?
I just wanted to use that brilliant gif. I think you're taking it too seriously
My not posting smileys doesn't mean I'm taking anything seriously.
The two being Maradona and Messi. That was the original post I replied to, after all, which led to this further discussion about circumstances which I suggested be applied in the comparison for better results if they weren't already.
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