I somehow doubt Messi will feature in that many games after they retain La Liga, they only need 4pts to be absolutely sure.
Even Pep won't be so stupid and allow him to play every game leading up to a CL final I guess.
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I somehow doubt Messi will feature in that many games after they retain La Liga, they only need 4pts to be absolutely sure.
Even Pep won't be so stupid and allow him to play every game leading up to a CL final I guess.
Is there any point in him playing in today's match when they have virtually won the League?
Not that I'm complaining if he picks up an injury
There isn't really.I think it's just an ego thing
To be fair, is there any point in him playing any game until the one at Wembley?
Like most footballers (I hope) he loves to play football.
It's more questioning why Pep let's (orders) him (to) play every game?
One would assume he'd definitely play against Madrid, if he doesn't and they lose, it'd be the most hilarious footballing clanger for many years.
For a change I definitely wasn't having a go at Messi.
I thought that Ronaldo was obsessed with the pichichi, and Messi not so much.
So either Jose has more control over his players, or I was wrong about Messi.
Ronaldo seemed quite annoyed at the bench on the game against Valencia.
Pep doesn't like to rotate for whatever reason. Going into this season with only 18 first teamers and a bunch of kids was definitely a risk.
I think his squad management isn't the best. However if they do do the double who is to argue with him.
Basically Jose has more control?
I can't understand why Messi was playing and Villa was on the bench. From Barcelona's point of view Villa needs goals to build up his confidence. If they play Messi on Wednesday night they are taking a huge risk.
They also probably want to break the 100 point barrier which they can only achieve by winning the last four matches.
Don't underestimate the need for footballers and football managers to notch up petty records.
Don't underestimate the need for footballers and football managers to notch up petty records.
Souness said after the game that he thinks Messi could be the best player ever, having played against Maradona multiple times. I thought that was quite interesting.
We mostly saw the ugly side of Messi today though, trying to get Carvalho sent off and succeeding in getting Marcelo booked.
His work rate impressed me the most today, when he slid it through Carvalho's legs in the second half, disgusting.
He's going to go down as a flat track bully if he continues to play in Spain. Somebody needs to tell him that the only way he can save his legacy is to come to England and play for the famous Man United. Because his career won't be complete until he does it on a cold night at Stoke.
Eh, Carvalho hacked him about 3 times and Marcello was relieved not to get red.
Interesting and quite accurate. He was making the point that aged 23, he's done things and broke records no other player has. He is a phenomenon and is more than Maradona's equal at this stage of his career. And he aint showing any signs of slowing down anytime soon!
i wonder for how long can he perform at this level
if he plays like this for 10 more years he will retire with over 600 goals
And Pele would be talking horse shit
Pele & The Myth of 1000 Goals | Bagsy Not In - The Football Blog
Very impressed with tonight despite the lack of goals, showed strength on the ball and bravery.. more so than any of his team mates bar Iniesta. He's getting better all the time which is a scary thought.
that's an excellent read
i just made the maths, he claims that he played 22 years, and in that time he played 1,367 games
that means that during 22 years he played over 62 games a year,
right
The games claim I believe is accurate. But you have to bear in mind that a massive percentage of that is 1) against sub standard state opposition, and 2) in non-competitive friendlies. We don't include any pre season goals in players records today, why should it be any different when we talk about Pele?
Seriously? I was half wumming there, but Marcelo was never a yellow and his rolling around after the second Carvalho tackle was to get him sent off, but sort of understandable since he gets a rough time, unlike his team mates who cheats for the sake of cheating. Carvalho was still lucky to stay on the pitch and Messi was pretty good today.
they counted the games he played and the goals he scored against friends after a barbecue
anyway, his real numbers are quite something
Heh, not far off, ay
They are, that's the travesty, it's still a magnificent record. That said it's about what Messi is achieving this season, only spread over a career. The same team dominance applies, Santos were the bollocks of Brazilian football then, just as Barca are of Spanish now
There seems to be an agenda on here with him. Which I don't quite understand because he is a wonderful little player.
He was a tad theatrical at times but he was clearly hacked down several times. Carvalho should've gone quite simply.
He was a tad theatrical at times but he was clearly hacked down several times. Carvalho should've gone quite simply.
His manipulation of the ball, paticularly the way he takes it away at the last second draws so many fouls and cards. Messi's technique protects him in more ways than one.
He's fouled all the time since that's the only way to stop him. Carvalho only stayed on because the ref was told not to send anyone off.
It isn't. Especially since its from a man who claims Dalglish was a better footballer than Maradona.
Messi is just not human. His maturity in his play at a young age is outstanding. Especially with his talent, he could quite easily want to do it all himself and be quite capable of it. He combines the ability to do that something special when needed along with excellent team play. He also scores more goals than anyone without a dip in his general performance.
In my opinion he's not just better than the rest but he's leaps and bounds ahead of everyone with all due respect to other players. But then again these other players aren't one of the best of all time already.
In my opinion he's not just better than the rest but he's leaps and bounds ahead of everyone with all due respect to other players. But then again these other players aren't one of the best of all time already.
He's taking the superhero serum, only reason why he seems indestructible.
Alonso protesting his booking was hilarious. Messi was gone before he could even set his feet and so he just blatantly kicks his legs since the ball is about 5 feet away 
He beats players with minimal fuss. I think that's part of why he's so good. Rather than go through the motions of step overs and fancy stuff he's beat you and whilst others will dance around the directness will leave a side exposed as apposed to able to re-establish the shape. He's really a throw back to a different time. His all round play, his character and his ability are unmatched.
To think about 180 pages of this thread were dedicated to IF he's the best of his generation. Laughable.
He beats players with minimal fuss. I think that's part of why he's so good. Rather than go through the motions of step overs and fancy stuff he's beat you and whilst others will dance around the directness will leave a side exposed as apposed to able to re-establish the shape. He's really a throw back to a different time. His all round play, his character and his ability are unmatched.
To think about 180 pages of this thread were dedicated to IF he's the best of his generation. Laughable.
Alonso protesting his booking was hilarious. Messi was gone before he could even set his feet and so he just blatantly kicks his legs since the ball is about 5 feet away
He beats players with minimal fuss. I think that's part of why he's so good. Rather than go through the motions of step overs and fancy stuff he's beat you and whilst others will dance around the directness will leave a side exposed as apposed to able to re-establish the shape. He's really a throw back to a different time. His all round play, his character and his ability are unmatched.
To think about 180 pages of this thread were dedicated to IF he's the best of his generation. Laughable.
Precisely. He's like a player from a bygone era..like a Johnstone or a Matthews where he just uses body feints and quick feet to get through the opposition. His mind is attuned to today's game though with his vision and passing ability, which is underrated by many.
Its because of this holier than thou attitude toward him and the club he plays for, he can do no wrong, listen to commentary on a weekend of Spanish football, if Messi dives instead of criticising him like they do every other player they'll start making excuses for him such as "wow thats so out of character for him" "well hes getting fouled so often i dont blame him for going down" etc etc, after a while you get a tad pissed off with it, as you do with everyone trying to make out hes some kind of saint, hes as sly as they come, head butts, spitting, card waving etc hes a great player the best in the world by a mile but dont try and tell me hes some sort of model pro who men should all aspire to follow, hes a nasty little cnut when he wants to be, no different from pretty much every other footballer i should add, the difference being every other footballer gets criticised for it, Messi seems above criticism and thats what causes certain animosity toward him, well on my part anyway.
Messi isn't above criticism, it's just the context he's in that's different. He's not playing in the Premier League, he's an Argentinian playing in Spain and a bit of theatrics is an integral part of the game whether you like it or not. I don't see him roll around or gang the referee nearly as often as his team mates, he seems to care about that a lot less than the others. Some of his dribbles he's fouled but with his strength and balance, keeps the ball and keeps on running. He's better than most players in that regard.
People are sometimes extremely unfair on him. Go back to yesterday's thread and look at the amount of stick he gets for this "rolling over", when it's clearly a momentum roll due to the speed he was running and the fact he was mid-air when he was tackled. Many also claimed this wasn't a foul when it seems to me that it's Messi's left foot that knocks the ball forward a milisecond before being hit by Marcelo, which hits him and not the ball.
He gets challenged like this every game, and yes he can be blamed for taking a while longer to get up (like in this video in which he doesn't seem genuinely hurt) but most of the times he is indeed fouled and takes a beating in a lot of games, yesterday not being different - Carvalho, Alonso, Marcelo.
I think Messi is a relatively honest player when put into the context of where he plays in. Nani is far worse in my opinion, as are most of the other Barcelona players.
You lot would appreciate these games a lot more if you stopped being so obsessed about that and just accepted that the nature of the game is different here than in northern Europe. I acknowledge that the first tie of the CL was a bit too much (and even I was getting stressed at the Barcelona players antics) but if you're going to freak out at every player going down a bit easier or taking a while longer to get up than you might as well just stop watching Latin football all together (and eventually even the Premier League in a few years time).
You're not a team of noble angels, you have one of the most prolific divers in the game in Nani, and you're not exempt of players asking for yellows (I saw Ferdinand flailing his arms asking for a handball and penalty on last year game against Chelsea - the Drogba's offside game - when it was absolutely clear in the replay that no Chelsea player touched the ball with his hand), you're not exempt of players cheating in a sneaky manner (how was Vidic's handball against Le Arse any worse than Henry's famous). Yes, it may happen less frequently, but in the end it's like a guy that robbed a bank once criticizing another for robbing it 5 times. In football it's clearly more damaging for the spectacle when it happens more times, but that is more fault of the local media, managers and fans accepting it than for the players being inherently cnuts. It's a culture thing. They're competitive players trying to gain an edge, they try it more often because in this environment they gain it more often.
I reckon Barcelona has been unpleasant to watch lately and something should be done about it, but that is as much fault of the governing bodies not punishing it as it is of the players. They'll just keep on doing it while they have the edge.
People are sometimes extremely unfair on him. Go back to yesterday's thread and look at the amount of stick he gets for this "rolling over", when it's clearly a momentum roll due to the speed he was running and the fact he was mid-air when he was tackled. Many also claimed this wasn't a foul when it seems to me that it's Messi's left foot that knocks the ball forward a milisecond before being hit by Marcelo, which hits him and not the ball.
He gets challenged like this every game, and yes he can be blamed for taking a while longer to get up (like in this video in which he doesn't seem genuinely hurt) but most of the times he is indeed fouled and takes a beating in a lot of games, yesterday not being different - Carvalho, Alonso, Marcelo.
I think Messi is a relatively honest player when put into the context of where he plays in. Nani is far worse in my opinion, as are most of the other Barcelona players.
You lot would appreciate these games a lot more if you stopped being so obsessed about that and just accepted that the nature of the game is different here than in northern Europe. I acknowledge that the first tie of the CL was a bit too much (and even I was getting stressed at the Barcelona players antics) but if you're going to freak out at every player going down a bit easier or taking a while longer to get up than you might as well just stop watching Latin football all together (and eventually even the Premier League in a few years time).
You're not a team of noble angels, you have one of the most prolific divers in the game in Nani, and you're not exempt of players asking for yellows (I saw Ferdinand flailing his arms asking for a handball and penalty on last year game against Chelsea - the Drogba's offside game - when it was absolutely clear in the replay that no Chelsea player touched the ball with his hand), you're not exempt of players cheating in a sneaky manner (how was Vidic's handball against Le Arse any worse than Henry's famous). Yes, it may happen less frequently, but in the end it's like a guy that robbed a bank once criticizing another for robbing it 5 times. In football it's clearly more damaging for the spectacle when it happens more times, but that is more fault of the local media, managers and fans accepting it than for the players being inherently cnuts. It's a culture thing. They're competitive players trying to gain an edge, they try it more often because in this environment they gain it more often.
I reckon Barcelona has been unpleasant to watch lately and something should be done about it, but that is as much fault of the governing bodies not punishing it as it is of the players. They'll just keep on doing it while they have the edge.
i was wondering if the goal that messi scored last november against brazil one of the 52 goals he scored this season
uh?
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It isn't, Marcos. He's scored 52 goals in 52 games at club level this season.
You just wanted an excuse to show that goal again.
You just wanted an excuse to show that goal again.
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