Quite the opposite, Messi v Ronaldo is still a favorite debate on the caf
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Quite the opposite, Messi v Ronaldo is still a favorite debate on the caf
He's done well so far.Better than I expected, he's probably the best dribbler in the world when it comes on 1v1s.I just watch his matches just for that dribbling style as it doesn't include any bling bling (step-over,flip-flap and all those fancy tricks you can on FIFA with the RS)
Messi was motm in two games already. Ronaldo was rotten in his first and out shone by the little left back in his second.
Messi doesnt need to score to be motm, Ronaldo does.
It's not even a debate anymore cal, you should just retire.
To be fair, this thread should just retire .
Messi was motm in two games already. Ronaldo was rotten in his first and out shone by the little left back in his second.
Messi doesnt need to score to be motm, Ronaldo does.
It's not even a debate anymore cal, you should just retire.
Which 2 games will that be?
Are you going to somehow credit him with motm when Higuain got the hat-trick? (Like when you somehow thought he was motm when Ronaldinho got the standing ovation at the Bernabeu)
We live in hope!!!
Not as impressive yesterday as his last 3 matches
He lost his technique *Jopub mode off*
Good first half, poor second half. Looked jaded, in fact quite a few of the argie players did.
I think Argentines do not enjoy the altitude.
Pastore.... Maradona please play this guy!
I think Argentines do not enjoy the altitude.
Pastore.... Maradona please play this guy!
He's been average this World Cup. Messi seems to get a lot of style points when it comes to judging how good he's been. He keeps trying too hard to score and ends up struggling to make a real impact. Maybe he'll shine in the latter stages.
He doesn't need goals to be doing his job. For my money he has done his job superbly. He is the decoy for other attacking talents in the team to shine. No one can honestly say it hasn't worked superbly for the Argies. Average is not a word I'd use on his performances thus far. At club level he doesn't play as a central play maker.
He's been amazing apart from yesterday where he lost the ball cheaply on quite a few occasions and generally looked disinterested at times. It wasn't vintage Messi, alot of his dribbles weren't coming off too.
I dont get this 'vintage Messi' talk. Even on top form he sometimes loses the ball needlessly. Like most top players. Overall though he did his job once again. I had no complaints. I expect him to be more focused against Germany. The German side will be very lucky to surive the Argies this time.
yes, average, we've seen a lot of players doing what he does like emmm ... wait, don't despair, i know i'll remember one or two ...
That way Rooney did his job too this WC. Just that his team mates didn't capitalize. That's rubbish really. Messi is trying to walk in the footsteps of Maradona, not be a tactical tool. Zidane at 35 plus (I think) was destroying teams in the last world cup. He was too good to just be playing a certain way to benefit others.
Rooney did that for us because he wasn't as good as Ronaldo. If he was better than the latter, there was no need for 'the sacrifice'.
I think yesterday he was average by his standards, he lost the ball way more than usual, I went to cry to my Messi shrine in my bedroom after the match, asking "Why!"
Who cares if he does what others don't do? We already know that about him. There are others doing much more than he does and doing more than matters. Oezil for example whose been twice as good as Messi.
It's like Ronaldo hitting a free kick like noone else can, but not managing to actually succeed with one, YET being hailed as being brilliant with free kicks in the tournament.
Why by his standards? He was average by anyones standards. He tested the keeper once. His only contribution to the game was passing the ball to Tevez who was miles offside.
so you don't know what the word "average" means
I just think Messi needs to come to England and play for United just to be sure he's the real deal 
He's been average by the standards of top players. Last night he was just plain average.
Goes without saying Marcos.
Of course it is. I never said anything close to that. It's not my fault you decided to think such crap up. I can't account for your lack of tactical nous.
Maradona was a tactical tool in 1986. His pass to Burchaga in the final was classic proof. Same as the run he helped the Argies make to the final 4 years later. The difference is he was so much better than Messi that he could still do that and be better than anyone else in the tournament by some distance. Anyone who expected the same from a kid like Messi this time around is mad. It's in 2014 when he might be capable of that.
In addition anyone who wanted Messi to play his Barca football for the Argies needs a serious reality check.
He was 35 and a national and international icon. Messi is a kid, finally beginning to shine in a national shirt aged about 22. To attempt to equate the two is beyond dumb.
Messi is not doing anything remotely close to what Rooney did for us. Messi is attracting all the attention of opposing teams whilst conducting play, allowing Argentina to capitalize on the attacking talents of other players ignored by the attention on Messi. He is clearly enjoying it too because he is naturally a central play maker. It has feck all to do with sacrifice. It's a deliberate tactical ploy and Messi is going to get better in the role as the tournament progresses. Just like his coach did in 1986.
i think he's been playing brillantly, a lot better than he did for argentina during the qualifying games
don't forget that most teams defensive tactic is to stop him
Absolute Nonsense
I'm guessing you've not seen a single game of Argentina's.
Nah, he's been pretty good and especially so in the group stage matches.
i think he's been playing brillantly, a lot better than he did for argentina during the qualifying games
don't forget that most teams defensive tactic is to stop him
Uncanny.
Yeah I have never seen six defenders converge on a player at the edge of the box as they look to shoot.
The Maradona picture is one of those great iconic shots that represents something greater than the moment itself; especially given the moment is somewhat taken out of context. I believe the Belgium players were just breaking from forming a defensive wall at a free kick, but obviously it looks from the still that they're terrified by Maradona and all attempting to stop solely him, eyes focused on the tormentor. And the implication is he'll still get through them
exactly, he has been a star player. He was out of sorts against Mexico but still had a hand in the crucial first goal and had the play of the match when he basically took it, beat a man, played a one two of a reverse pass then sent a man free down the right.
He was jaded or tired, i think he doesnt play well at altitude.
It's wierd though, he gets so much praise now from all the pundits, even when he isnt good. Pundits are fecking awful.
Peculiar
touche'
I've seen all of them. He's been okay. A couple of brilliant runs per game which didn't result in anything. Had a good game in the 4-1 win. But otherwise I think he's struggled to truly make an impact.
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Indeed,
effortless hatrick, still easily the best player on earth
he's going to smash all records this season
effortless hatrick, still easily the best player on earth
he's going to smash all records this season
We need to find out what theyre putting in the waters, at barcas youth academy.
He's a proper attacking player, it was crazy to see Maradona trying to make a playmaker out of him.
He wasn't. Lionel is a natural old school playmaker. Playing out on the wing has made people think otherwise.
More like we need to steal all the info on their training methods...
Excellent display, again. That Xavi pass for the first is worth a mention and all.
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