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Lionel Messi
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No, Maradona wanted to orchestrate things for Argentina whereas it's not his strongest area.Maradona put him in a system with no other playmaker, everything was down to him and he isn't that type of player.He needs someone else to create for him so that he can score
Argentinas problem was that they couldnt play from the back and didnt play midfielders who could pass the ball. Messi can play the playmaking role, he is a playmaker. He's just outstanding at everything in an attacking sense that's what sets him apart.
First "competitive" start of the season and he had 3 goals already, outstanding.
Messi does not need someone for him to create. In a way, he's like a more prolific Iniesta.
Yes he is, it's probably one of his strongest attributes, just look at how my reverse balls from deep he played aginst Ireland
Funny how one good performance against a Seville side who are far more concerned with the CL playoff in midweek and this thread is resurrected, and the 40 anonymous minutes in the 1st leg is completely ignored. 
Funny how one good performance against a Seville side who are far more concerned with the CL playoff in midweek and this thread is resurrected, and the 40 anonymous minutes in the 1st leg is completely ignored.
Because it's 40 mins of the first game of his season, you knobend.
and the 2nd "competitive" game of his season deserves praise to high heavens despite the fact the opposition have rested players for the midweek CL game?
why do you despise the Messman so much cal?,
what did he ever do to you?
what did he ever do to you?
I don't despise him at all, in fact I respect him as a great footballer, ONE OF the best of his generations, but certainly not yet one of the best ever like some people in this thread would like to think.
fair play, nothing wrong with that
Everyone who has over 20 posts in this thread should be quarantined
I think he's more getting at the fact that while he can do that, and has done for club and country against various teams, it does take a bit away from his game that he can't stay in the most threatening areas. I think that's part of the reason he didn't score(aside from some terrible luck, let's be honest).
When he was with Veron he was still acting as a (secondary) playmaker and generally most of the play went through him at some point, but he could concentrate more on worrying the defence directly, he wasn't worried about being the glue that holds them together constantly.
Most people respect him for that. The "best player ever" thing is overstated. Not many people think that. But you have an agenda. Everytime Messi receives the remotest of praise you are here to spout your bitter nonsense. Everytime Messi has a quite match you are here to spout your bittnr nonsense.
You are confirming what I'm saying all the more. Because of his goal getting record at club level, people mistakenly think his main thing is to score loads and create from wide areas. Yet it isn't. His goal records is a mere by product of how good he is attacking. For Argentina he only suffered vs at times because the midfield balance was not right. The diamond they played didn't make sense with 2 natural wide players in it. However despite it's problems he still largely ran things for Argentina very well minus his usual goals from that role.
When he stated out for Argentina at age group level he was the playmaker in chief, in the Maradona role behind the main striker. He won Argentina the World Under 21 title and the Olympics in that role & IMO nothing he has done at Barca has changed my mind about that being his best position. If Barca didnt have both Iniesta and Xavi in their midfield people would have seen it even more clearly at club level. I honestly feel his ability as playmaker is grossly underrated.
Any videos of the hat-trick?
Yeah well U 21 football is very different to the real "senior" thing and plus footballers evolve.Messi has become a ruthless finisher, he should be put in a system where his goalscoring talent can express itself the best.
Just because he played well as a playmaker when he was younger doesn't mean anything.
Yeah but wouldn't you want him in his best position, in the best style to express his talent ? As a playmaker he's no where near performing as well as a pure attacking player
yeah, I get you
The Olympics isn't under 21 football and neither was the world cup. At both he was Argentina's play maker and was very good in the role. His lack of goals clouded people judgment as to how he actually performed at the recent world cup.
Which is a total waste of his talents. He is more than capable of being creator in chief while scoring goals a plenty. I have no doubt if Argentina hand him the Maradona role for the next world cup and build the side around him, so that he can wreck havoc down the middle of teams rather than wasting him on the wings, they will be real contenders.
That is only the case for players who are not on that level. For player of his ilk what they do as youngsters at a competitive level is more than likely what will define a lot about them as stars.
A classic example is C Ronaldo. Pre United he started out as a striker. Right now he is literaly a striker, with the ability to play out wide. Scholes too, despite his years in midfield he still tackles like a striker and is as lethal as any second striker in and around the box. Messi is no different to them .
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I hate the gay music FranklyVulgar puts on these videos.
That's how I took Kouroux's post too and I agree with both of you. He's obviously capable of doing just about anything to a high standard in terms of attacking, but he's more suited to being in the final third as much as possible, gambling on scoring or playing the final pass rather than having to be more conservative with the ball and play 'continuity' passes. He's capable of doing it, but that tempo-setting role isn't the strongest part of his game by a long stretch.
His lack of goals didn't cloud my judgment when the true test came that Messi was completely invisible in that role against Germany.The rest of the games were against average/ok opponents.
He can play in the middle without emulating Maradona.In fact they're different players.Maradona's passing and courage to get stuck in when the opposition was the toughest is what sets him apart from Messi.
That is only the case for players who are not on that level. For player of his ilk what they do as youngsters at a competitive level is more than likely what will define a lot about them as stars.
Yes which is why I think he should not even be "wasted" as a playmaker.Leave that duty to someone else and put him in his best position.
The entire Argentina was invisible against Germany bar Mascherano. So it's unfair to say that that one match prove the role isn't for him.
Place him in a side like this
Mascherano -Cambiasso
Aguero--Messi---DiMaria
---------Milito---------
or this
--------Mascherano-------
---Banega-------Pastore/Cambiasso
-----------Messi---------
& tell me he wouldn't thrive in the Maradona role.
TBF when use the Maradona term, I'm not saying he should be like for lie. Im just saying he would be a similarly excellent playmaker down the center of the pitch. On top of being much more goal oriented then Maradona was.
Fair enough. Well I'm convinced His best position is a free role behind a striker, not out on a flank like happens for Barcelona. That is why of late he has started drifting more to the center in the last year while playing for Barca. Eventually he is going evolve into a true number 10.
I've decided Messi's WC performances were Tevez's fault - and concluded Carlitos sucked all the oxygen out of the attack.
You can be a more attacking player without necessarily playing on the flank Chief.You can easily put him in a system where he'd play in the middle without all the playmaking duties to someone else.
Yea.. Truth be told , in modern football while playing in the hole its next to impossible to be the only playmaker in the side ala the old days.
So he'd probably have the likes of Pastore or Banega behind him.
I have never denied that I don't like him, you don't have to like every top player.
Plenty of people don't like Ronaldo and I don't like Messi, and I don't like Barcelona. It gives me joy when he has a mediocre game because that would most likely mean Barca have done badly in the game.
He has joined Eto'o (199 matches) and Rivaldo (235 matches) in the all time goalscoring charts for Barca with 130 goals in 215 matches.
make that 131.
chipped the keeper with his right foot. piss taker
fecking ell. 2 mins into the new season and he's producing sublime finishes already
After 3 minutes too...
Made it look so easy. His movement really has improved a lot in the past year or so, before he'd have came deep the pick up that ball and try to dribble past that man but he's realised how he can just make a quick run in behind him to cut out the man altogether.
The boy is insanely good.
any vids of the goal(s)?
Messi just suits Barca's tactics so well.... Also Xavi and Iniesta are wonderful players... With Villa there too... I can see Barca killing Real Madrid in the league again.
This year is our turn for the CL's !!!
This year is our turn for the CL's !!!
Playing him is now boarderline cheating, it almost guarantees 3 points. I'm applying to Fifa to allow him to be borrowed by different clubs during the season
he's going to break all records this season
he's going to break all records this season
It's scary how good he's getting now. I really want Barca to feck up this season but it's amazing how good Messi's become.
I really hope Real too kick into gear this season and we get a really nice and topsy tervy title race this season.
Btw, that second goal from Iniesta was pure class.
I really hope Real too kick into gear this season and we get a really nice and topsy tervy title race this season.
Btw, that second goal from Iniesta was pure class.
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