Comparing Messi with Walcott
Young players with talent can occasionaly play a blinder but cannot do it all time that splits up a Walcott from Fat Ronaldo, Messi and Giggs.
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Comparing Messi with Walcott
Young players with talent can occasionaly play a blinder but cannot do it all time that splits up a Walcott from Fat Ronaldo, Messi and Giggs.
Good point.
I've said that for a while about how Gerd Muller would be considered the greatest ever player if you want to bring goals up all the time. A player who scored more goals for germany than games he played...
People bring up the game against Roma and yes he was great, but he wasn't even MOTM despite scoring two goals.
Last week when Barca beat Recreativo 5-0 with eto'o scoring 4 goals Messi was still MOTM. He didn't score but he still performed better than anyone else.
Comparing Messi with Walcott
Young players with talent can occasionaly play a blinder but cannot do it all time that splits up a Walcott from Fat Ronaldo, Messi and Giggs.
Precisley, so why are people bringing up a game against Chelsea to compare as Messi being better than Ronaldo when players like Walcott have shown that they are also capable of doing the same thing. So you laughing just brings justice to what i'm trying to say, i bet like how i'm laughing that Messi's performance against Chelsea is something Ronaldo couldn't do and seprates the two. Next people will be telling me Walcott now is also a better player than Ronaldo was at his age, maybe his better than Messi too remeber his already scored a hat-trick for his country was Messi doing that at his age?!!
Expect its not. Cantona had an aura about him and he's not better than Ronaldo. I don't get a sense of aura watching clips of Pele play, he's not a great player then?
O please i watched the game live, he wasn't good 90 mins straight he had a good 1st half. Seriously do you think your the only one that watches or has Messi play, to be honest i know i knew about him before you did. The Chelsea game was probably the 1st time you thought wow this players kind of good!
Not really, i think it was the U20 world cup that brought him to my attention...
Messi was the outstanding performer at stamford bridge in that game, it's fairly common knowledge.
Walcott is different, he was perfect to bring on for the last 20mins against the old milan boys and his pace is devistating. An impact player if ever there was one.
But please continue to compare them...
Except Ronaldo scored 42 goals as a winger some of which Muller couldn't even dream of scoring. And if you really think all Ronaldo offers to United goals you need to watch United more.
Ronaldo was our best player against Roma but Fletcher, Giggs and Carrick put in performances so far from their standard performances they were given MOTM. But does who wins the MOTM really matter?
The Messi > Ronaldo argument isn't too controversial and isn't that hard a claim to justify. But some of the arguments you use are ridiculous, using snippets from BBC sport,MOTMs and quotes from Messi team mates is plain silly.
Youtube clips or did you actually watch it on Eurosport?!
Continue to compare.... i've compared what i needed to compare!!
Where did i say Ronaldo only scores goals? The fact people constantly claim he scored 42 goals as a winger strikes me as bizarre. Most of his goals came from runs into the box in central positions. Not wing play, a winger stays on the wing. Saying Ronaldo is a winger is like saying Ronaldinho and Messi are wingers.
We were debating about outstanding performances, stand out performances. My point was Ronaldo didn't stand out compared to his team mates in that game. Not that he wasn't outstanding in it because he was.
What is silly about justifying my comments with quotes or motm awards?
Ronaldinho said what he said at the time, i'm sure he still believes it to be true. It's not just his team mates who consider him the best, plenty of impartial observes of known repute consider him the best also.
You tube clips obviously, i actually don't watch football at all. I just look at youtube videos and decide who the best is.
Does Fergie think his the best?
Maybe, how can anyone ever really know...
Cantona isn't considered an all-time great. Your point is therefore missing the mark.
Your bit about Pele is just daft.
Fergie would never say Messi is better that's for sure
You tube clips obviously, i actually don't watch football at all. I just look at youtube videos and decide who the best is.
I wasn't packing i just wanted to know! You might not have had Sky or cable in your house at the time, maybe you heard about someone talk about him and decided to check it out on the internet. It was just a genuine question, i never got a chance to watch Ronaldinho at Gremio, but i can tell you i did because i've sin him play for them from clips on the net! It happens..
After seeing him at the under 20s world cup i kept an eye on him. He still hadn't made a full team debut at that point (at least i dont think) so it would have been pretty difficult unless you were a barca insider to know what Messi was bringing to the table.
Winger/forward whatever you want to call it, doesn't really matter, he wasn't a striker.
You're debating outstanding performances which is fair enough. But to use a one line quote from BBC sport where Messi is described as outstanding is very silly and serves no purpose.
Using quotes from players is also ridiculous because I could do the same with Ronaldo and it doesn't serve any purpose especially since they're backslapping love-ins from team mates who are too scared/stupid to say anything interesting. Instead of being a football fan talking football on a forum you end up looking like one of those teenage girls so obsessed with her hero that she's cut up all the articles where he's mentioned and stuck them on her wall.
Na i just googled the game to refresh my memory. I did the same for the arsenal Milan one. I remember Walcotts great assist but not much more, he was only on the park for 20 mins.
Using quotes from respected footballers and managers is rediculous? why because they dont have a clue about football? because they can't ever not be biased?
You can find opinions of retired players or world class managers quite easily. Not all of them are from United or Barcelona or Portuguese or Argentinian.
Put it this way, if most or every respected footballer, manager, ex pro said the same things that one player was the best in the world i can't really see it even being a debate.
For someone who doesn't even see it as a debate you do spend an awful lot of time debating it .
I'm stunned that your view on this matter would side with the non-United player.
Not like you at all that.
Frankly Vulgar and a few others, whilst I acknowledge that Messi is an exceptional talent BUT some of you lot need to look a lot closer to home. You see I firmly believe that had Ronaldo been achieving the same success playing for someone else then your rating of him might have been a hell lot higher. FFS, sometimes some of you make him out as just another ordinary player on a purple streak, well he ain't . The lad is fecking class and I haven't seen many better in world football for a long long time.
He is class, he is world class and he will win the ballon d'or and he deserves it. I'm shocked with the amount of times i have to say this.
I can't recall a performance from Ronaldo recently when i've been amazed. He has his moments in games recently. Maybe a goal but his all round contribution doesn't match up to Messis.
This season already i've only seen 2 or 3 games where Messi wasn't MOTM. I don't think i've seen one when Ronaldo has been. He is still effective but Ronaldo has these games where nothing works for him, where he can't beat his man and where his temprament is suspect. Despite this he still manages to be a threat and often gets a goal which will mask his otherwise slightly underwhelming performance.
The game agaisnt Stoke i thought he was good, not outstanding. Yet people throw that in my face as some sort of justification for him being TBPITW yet continue to tell me how rubbish these spanish teams that barca hammer are...
Two cheap goals against Stoke and he's answered his critics.
Rubbish thread with plenty of rubbish said in it.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion BUT all I'm saying is that had the lad been playing for someone else with the same level of success, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. You know once you get so close to something and hold onto it for a good deal of time, you tend to appreciate it less and less regardless of how special that thing is. Wait till its gone, thats when it hits you.
Probably true, he was still better than Ronaldo though.
Of course...
His just come back from injury and his not going to beat his man everytime is he. If messi had to come up against english defences that are less likely to just let you go once they've been beat then you'd notice he doesn't beat his man everytime either. To be honest why are we having this arguement, the reason why we waive on about Ronaldo is because like it or not his on another level to everyone else, which means he scores more often than everyone else, beats his man more often than everyone else, and out performs others around him more often than everyone else. He has more than just goals impact he makes others around him wanna play.
I'm just not biased as far as your players go (I picked four of them in the best all-time England squad the other day.
Don't stop believing Mainoldo.
Who... Ronaldo will probably the best premiership player ever if he lives us or when he retires. Wouldn't say Henry is a true out and out winner, but Henry is the best premiership player ever at the moment only because of duration!
Ronaldo - world class, arguable the best player in the world
Messi - world class, arguable the best player in the world
Anyone who categorically says one is better than the other is talking our of their arse.
Messi - world class, arguable the best player in the world
Anyone who categorically says one is better than the other is talking our of their arse.
I'll continue to watch Ronaldo when he leaves Old Trafford. If he goes to Madrid i'll watch him because i watch spanish football. If he goes to Italy i'll still see him. Will he have the same success? we'll have to wait and see.
Mainoldo is of the belief that spanish defences don't tackle and let you get past them without much fuss compared to the english defenses.
Debatable to say the least but different players perform differently in different leagues. Can anyone say that a player will definitely perform to the same standard in another country? you get so many examples of players who dont. Or even who perform better.
I don't think Torres ever scored 20goals in the league in spain in a single season yet he blew the prem away. Does that mean that English defences are worse? No it means that maybe Torres suits the premiership and maybe Ronaldo does too. Or maybe he'll go to spain and score 50 in a season, we wont know until it happens.
Don't worry 1 day you to will also Believe!
Unlike you i won't catigorically rule it out. Neither will i make rediculous claims that Messi is better in every aspect of his game than every other player in the world.
I see too many great players to make such a farcical statement.
But that is exactly what your doing! For you to make a claim that he can do things Ronaldo could never do, is that not the same as what your stating is rediculous claims???
Hmmm...
You are probably the most biased anti-United poster on this forum. Not a criticism, but I know I'm not alone in thinking that.
But that is exactly what your doing! For you to make a claim that he can do things Ronaldo could never do, is that not the same as what your stating is rediculous claims???
Hmmm...
They can both do things the other can't do.
I never went as far as to say this
"To be honest why are we having this arguement, the reason why we waive on about Ronaldo is because like it or not his on another level to everyone else, which means he scores more often than everyone else, beats his man more often than everyone else, and out performs others around him more often than everyone else"
You basically claim that Ronaldo is better in every way to every other player in the world. I can only sum your opinion up in one word. Farcical
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