Calm down Vijay, Messi deserves it.
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Lionel Messi
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Good vid frankly..Messi even not scoring is a different proposition compared to any one around whilst Ronaldo these days is predominantly ineffective if not for his goals, it was apparent in his last two seasons with us. Except for one or two resident iguanas around here, any one with a brain an inch thicker than a pea wouldnt find it hard to get this concept , the holy one is in his own league...
To Cal...every other parishioner cannot warrant a comparison with Jesus just because he follows God's dress code. Ronaldo can never become a Messi, just because he plays for their rivals.
1 year late.
Ronaldo is impressive. Not many players could go to another league, have the biggest fee paid for you ever and try and justify most of it straight away. Ronaldo responds with 7 goals in how many games? It's incredible how he takes all this pressure and still delivers. I have huge respect and admiration for Ronaldo.
Messi is the better player for me but it looks like Ronaldo might go back to his 06/07 form and rip the shit out of teams and if he does, it'll be fecking close. Ronaldo seems to be dare I say it "underrated" by some people. I know he hasn't performed like his best in his last season for us but when he's at his absolute best, it's a sight to see. That goal vs Villareal was absolutely sensational and that run vs Tenerife nearly even topped it if he had scored. He's showing moments of absolute brilliance and this is the first time I'm actually getting excited watching Ronaldo play in a while.
I know he isn't a playmaker like Messi is, but when he plays as explosive and deadly as he does at his best, he's not far off Messi at all. I'm not saying he's a better player, but he deserves more acknowledgement of his talents by some people on this forum.
Messi is the better player for me but it looks like Ronaldo might go back to his 06/07 form and rip the shit out of teams and if he does, it'll be fecking close. Ronaldo seems to be dare I say it "underrated" by some people. I know he hasn't performed like his best in his last season for us but when he's at his absolute best, it's a sight to see. That goal vs Villareal was absolutely sensational and that run vs Tenerife nearly even topped it if he had scored. He's showing moments of absolute brilliance and this is the first time I'm actually getting excited watching Ronaldo play in a while.
I know he isn't a playmaker like Messi is, but when he plays as explosive and deadly as he does at his best, he's not far off Messi at all. I'm not saying he's a better player, but he deserves more acknowledgement of his talents by some people on this forum.
What a player. The set-up to Ibrahimovic's goal is the copy and paste of his very first goal with the Blaugranas, with Ronaldinho at the pass
Just realised that he's actually been part of two great Barca teams, spanning 6 seasons (this being the 6th)
Anyone think he'll ever do a Ronaldo and want to experience different surroundings whilst still being at his peak or will he end synonymous in Barcelona's history by staying till he's 28/29 or beyond (which would mean around another 6/7 years)
Anyone think he'll ever do a Ronaldo and want to experience different surroundings whilst still being at his peak or will he end synonymous in Barcelona's history by staying till he's 28/29 or beyond (which would mean around another 6/7 years)
Ronaldo > Messi - This season.
And i miss these arguments - FV, Vijay, Cal, Cesc's mullet etc etc need to spring life in to this debate that will last another 8-10 years.
And i miss these arguments - FV, Vijay, Cal, Cesc's mullet etc etc need to spring life in to this debate that will last another 8-10 years.
Oh FFS
oh sorry Boss, i forgot to mention you in that crew. My apologies.
no he won't leave barca like ronnie left us as he's been with barca since he was 13. it would be like giggs leaving us to 'experience' new surroundings. if ronnie was with us since he was 13, we would've kept him a lot easier IMO.
He seems be doing this exact thing this season.
I think it's a bit early. Barcelona were never going to be as good this season. It's just an impossiblity in football these days to have back to back seasons like that.
Ronaldo has been key in the resurgance of Madrid and 200million later they are challanging barcelona now and for many are favourites for the title (quite rightly).
Personal performance wise.... very close. Don't think either has hit the hights so far but as always a players worth will be decided in the important games. Whoever steps up in El Classico and the champions league will go down as the better player over the season, rightly or wrongly.
Right now it's very even although Messi was far superior in the first El Classico but Ronaldo was just back from injury.
Messi as good as he is, never has, and never will be better than Cristiano. The only argument for Messi is, "ah, isn't he sweet, unlike that twat Ronaldo". Barring that, Ronaldo rules Messi in all departments.
nah
Yes, you're evidently not biased at all...
Considering Messi is a whining, spoiled, spitting cnut I don't see where you even get that valuation from.
Both are unbelievabley good, I don't know why people can't just accept thatand move along, it's hilarious.
Would that be just like the people who turn a blind eye to Ronaldo's all round superiority to Messi, in favour of championing Messi just because he's a nice bloke?
Ronaldo don't play for us anymore, he's history. So why would I be biased?
Because he won us titles.
It's pretty obvious really, unless you just really, really don't understand football because thinking Messi's championed just because he's a nice bloke is ludicrous really.
I think Ronaldo's been noticeably better this season, but Messi's a magical player.
It's pretty obvious really, unless you just really, really don't understand football because thinking Messi's championed just because he's a nice bloke is ludicrous really.
I think Ronaldo's been noticeably better this season, but Messi's a magical player.
To be honest i think Messi has been more Ronaldo like than Ronaldo.
It's not just that, obviously. He's a world-class player and a humble person to boot. But he'll always be 2nd best while Ronaldo is on the scene.
Yes, Ronaldo won us titles but it doesn't blind me to a player who is better. However, I've yet to see one play better over a period of time than Ronaldo. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can match his consistency and overall package. Not even Messi.
I think he's been less influential in the build-up this season than for a long while, for whatever reason.
On the other hand Ronaldo's all-round play's been a lot better than it has been for a while, he really does seem to be enjoying things a lot more again.
I just think it's a bit of a shame that because some United fans like Ronaldo so much, it makes them not like Messi. They're missing out on a wonderful player to watch if they're constantly looking for ways to criticise him.
On the other hand Ronaldo's all-round play's been a lot better than it has been for a while, he really does seem to be enjoying things a lot more again.
I just think it's a bit of a shame that because some United fans like Ronaldo so much, it makes them not like Messi. They're missing out on a wonderful player to watch if they're constantly looking for ways to criticise him.
Aye it's true, Messi is more central and more getting in and around goals whilst Ronaldo has settled into this Madrid team. It looks made for him, he has the freedom but i also think he recognises that he doesnt have to do it all himself with the players around him. He is still the main man but he looks more relaxed than he did at United. He looks content to set up others rather than shoot at every opportunity. It's refreshing and i've been impressed with him this season, very much so.
I think you're ignoring the fact Messi's a coupe of years younger, because from the time both players broke through to now Messi's been more consistent.
Ronaldo might be a more consistent player now(which I don't agree with, but for arguments sake...) but you'd expect that from someone two years older.
Completely agree. I for one, do appreciate just what a great player Messi is. You'd have to be blind or chronically biased to deny it. He's probably easier on the eye than Ronaldo, he's more about technique, finesse, and movement, whereas Cristiano is about sheer power and brute force. I'd pick Ronaldo from an effectiveness point of view though, because his game is more rounded than Messi's IMO.
Two cracking player's though. Just hope Rooney can continue his form and get up there alongside them.
Also you have to look at it in two ways. Ronaldo on the back of a somewhat dissapointing season with United (despite the title and CL final appearance) where he was clearly not a happy lad to getting his dream move to a new project. He's fresh and as hungry as ever but also playing with joy.
Messi is on the back of his best ever season to date, won everything and is not quite up to the standards he set himself by performing so well. Despite that he's still top scorer in La Liga and has still been Barcelonas best player.
Messi is on the back of his best ever season to date, won everything and is not quite up to the standards he set himself by performing so well. Despite that he's still top scorer in La Liga and has still been Barcelonas best player.
Next time you mention Ronaldo and Messi, don't forget Rooney Ba-by!
Sorry, I've been listening to Lil Wayne.
Sorry, I've been listening to Lil Wayne.
If he keeps it up he'll get there no doubt.
For now though he just needs to keep doing what he's doing. The mark of greatness with Ronaldo and Messi has been that they have actually been the best or around the best for around 3 or 4 seasons. If Rooney can finish this one strongly, have a good world cup and have another great one next year he'll have earned praise in the same bracket.
There's not much to seperate them this season. In the last third, they've both been deadly.
Pretty much sums it up.
Personally i see Ronaldo playing some of his best football for a while recently although i feel Messi is not at the standards he's set himself.
Ronaldo will improve and I think he'll probably eclipse Messi this season. Just don't see Messi improving any more.
Now that argument won't stand neither. He isnt sweet.
He is an ugly peering midget looking like a right bum. I hate him just for that. + plus for the fact that he plays for barca.
Messi of last season was truly something special.
Ronaldo's match was truly something else.One of the best match I've ever seen him play.
Messi is not on his best from but he still contributes in terms of goals and chances created.
Not many player like Ronaldo and Messi can have off days and still perform significantly for their team
Messi is not on his best from but he still contributes in terms of goals and chances created.
Not many player like Ronaldo and Messi can have off days and still perform significantly for their team
This debate is pointless. Rooney will win it depending on how well we do in UCL and how well England do in World Cup.
All ronaldo talk must wait till Real can get past Lyon.
All ronaldo talk must wait till Real can get past Lyon.
There is no logic to a theory where ROnaldo will improve and Messi wont.
One is 25 and the other is 22 so for one to improve and the other not too doesnt really wash with me.
I'd be surprised if we've seen the best of either but going by ages it's hard to justify your opinion at all.
Even when "agreeing" FV can't help but be biased.
He "agrees" that both have been inseparable... and then says that Ronaldo has been at his absolute best ever whilst Messi is playing far worse than usual. That, of course, is the only way they'll ever be close.
dont exaggerate!
It's nothing to do with age. Messi's game is based around a small subset of skills which he performs to a very high standard. I don't think he's gifted enough to improve on them any further, or improve many other aspects of his game, mainly because of his physical limitations. His size will help him with agility and balance, but it won't do him many favours in other aspects.
IMO Ronaldo can still improve on some areas, which I don't doubt he will because of his workaholic ethic.
And boom goes the dynamite.
I disagree, i'm not really that bothered about the whole argument anymore. I had my stance at a time when everyone bar a few thought Ronaldo was easily the best. I had my opinion on Messi which at the time sparked controversy here. Now it's pretty obvious we're dealing with two very special players.
I'm happy to just watch their careers pan out.
I still think Messi is the more naturally talented footballer, a more gifted footballer than Ronaldo but that doesnt mean he'll go down as a better or greater player when their careers are over but it does make it hard for me to understand where you're coming from regarding the potential these two world class individuals have left.
I'm happy to just watch their careers pan out.
I still think Messi is the more naturally talented footballer, a more gifted footballer than Ronaldo but that doesnt mean he'll go down as a better or greater player when their careers are over but it does make it hard for me to understand where you're coming from regarding the potential these two world class individuals have left.
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