With due respect if he didn't know how to kick a free kick at all and he used that tecnique, no way he'd score that amount of freekicks. So plz respect his tecnique a little. Try debating as a neutral, not a Ronaldo hater. He has done well and has already scored 2 freekicks whether they were fluke or not.
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With due respect if he didn't know how to kick a free kick at all and he used that tecnique, no way he'd score that amount of freekicks. So plz respect his tecnique a little. Try debating as a neutral, not a Ronaldo hater. He has done well and has already scored 2 freekicks whether they were fluke or not.
I respect his technique! no doubt about that. I'm mearly making a point. If you dont agree with the point i made then fair enough, that is up to you. IF you think his freekicks are accurate and precise then by all means that is your prerogative.
Frankly how old are you?
Why? is this where you think i'm 14 and attempt to ridicule me based on age? Or on other side of the coin find out i'm older than you anticipate and again attempt to ridicule me based on that...
Nice try boss, i know your type, i worked you out a while ago. You let your mask slip on occasion. If anything at least i'm consistant and not trying to con anyone
Nice try boss, i know your type, i worked you out a while ago. You let your mask slip on occasion. If anything at least i'm consistant and not trying to con anyone
Like I said, how would you know if he doesn't aim at a particular place of the goal ? You cannot expect him to direct the ball as easily as others do.
Your bias against him is so funny
Your bias against him is so funny
Frankly, personally, I think you take such a liking and disliking to certain players that you fail to be anything close to objective about these players.
Well, you can say it 100% accurate of course it's not the accurate type of freekick like the Becks type but I'd say he's pretty accurate in terms of people putting almost 100% power in free kicks. To be fair he's developed it for quite a while and it is something wonderful to watch. I read your posts and to be fair calling him not aiming and stuff is just not true. He does aim otherwise they won't be on target. Anyway I can't seem to find a player that has scored more freekicks in the top level apart from him. Who comes close atm ?
Too true.
The more people who share your opinion the more i think it must be true. I'm not quite sure what i said regarding Ronaldos freekick taking that made this any more evident though.
So you dont expect him to direct the ball as easily as others. Yet give me stick for saying he aims for the target rather than a specific part of the goal? that makese sense.
He clearly concentrates on using his technique/power whilst concentrating on hitting the target...
I have no idea, Del Piero, Beckham, Pirlo, Totti, Ronaldinho maybe?
Ronaldo is still young so he'll no doubt score plenty more.
Why? is this where you think i'm 14 and attempt to ridicule me based on age? Or on other side of the coin find out i'm older than you anticipate and again attempt to ridicule me based on that...
Nice try boss, i know your type, i worked you out a while ago. You let your mask slip on occasion. If anything at least i'm consistant and not trying to con anyone
No malice intended, I'm genuialy interested.
I don't think it's got so much to do about your comments about Ronaldo's freekick taking that rubs people up the wrong way.
I think it is a result of your constant worshipping of Messi, Ibrahimovic etc, and your general negative views on Ronaldo.
As for Ronaldo's freekicks, I agree, they are not as accurate as e.g. Beckham's. However, I don't think Beckham's success rate is any better, which is what counts. It's no problem for a player being accurate when you just float the boat towards the target. It's the combination of accuracy and power that is hard to get right.
Just because I don't expect him to direct the ball as easily as the others doesn't mean he doesn't try to do it.I never said he doesn't aim, just that it's more difficult to do it than for the others obviously.
Spot on, exactly what I meant.Some techniques require more accuracy and others power but you cannot do one without the other
Going by your spelling you're "genuinely" younger than me...
Age doesnt matter to me on a football board. If people make a good point it doesnt matter if they are 14 or 40. If you dont agree you dont agree. Lets leave it at that.
Age doesnt matter to me on a football board. If people make a good point it doesnt matter if they are 14 or 40. If you dont agree you dont agree. Lets leave it at that.
his technique is to strike the valve of the ball in a certain way. When you do this the ball tragectory is unpredictable...
The fact the tragectory is unpredicatable based on his technique leads me to believe it would be impossible to strike it with real accuracy in mind. That is why i said he concentrates on hitting the target coupled with his technique and power making it a nightmare for the goalkeeper. They cant catch it, so they punch it or flap at it making it very effective when he hits the target.
You did quote he doesn't aim and he doesn't have a clue where the freekicks will be going. Also you rate him less than Messi who by far has only had 1 better season than Ronaldo. If you're debating as a neutral and watch both as much then you'd know that they aren't that far apart in terms of ability while you are claiming likewise. Both can tear defenses but both are used differently as Ronaldo can adapt to more positions with his physique while Messi is already the best in the position he plays. Messi does understand more but if he can't just pop up and head a goal or score freekciks out of nowhere, surely Messi's team is more superior now so that's why most people are rating him more. Put Ronaldo in Henry's place and I'd say no defense would ever want to play against them.
Of course, it certainly does not matter what age you are if you talk sense and make good, objective points, even at the age of 14 like you say.
How'd you kick a free kick 30yrs ++ out. I'd say hit it a full power. I'd say it'd be too easy for the GK to predict that their aiming for the corners. If Ronaldo's free kicks were shite then he wouldn't be scoring more than 5 per season. I doubt you'd take his stats and argue about his conversion rate but I'd rate it good enough.
I don't ridicule anyone here, not my style. What's your age FV?Why? is this where you think i'm 14 and attempt to ridicule me based on age? Or on other side of the coin find out i'm older than you anticipate and again attempt to ridicule me based on that...
Nice try boss, i know your type, i worked you out a while ago. You let your mask slip on occasion. If anything at least i'm consistant and not trying to con anyone
Nahhh none of the players you mention use the same tecnique and most of them would cross from anywhere near 35 yards out since their type of freekicks would mostly be predictable. Maybe Totti would come close, don't bring Ronnie's freekick Vs England out cuz it was a total fluke.
See, you make a good point about it rather than expecting my own point regarding his freekick taking as being based on my own negative feelings or bias towards Ronaldo.
And you are right, his success rate may or may not be better or worse than Beckhams. I would imagine beckham scored more for United than Ronaldo did, from free kicks.
No idea, but I doubt Beckham's success rate was much different to Ronaldo's.
Again i'm just speculating but i'd imagine it would be slightly better. Ronaldos success rate was terrible until 2 season ago when he started scoring them more regularly. But i remember a time when he was taking all the free kicks and scoring none. People wondered why he was on them in the first place when he kept on missing. I'm sure old threads about how shit his freekicks were still exist somewhere.
Oh well, it's a Messi thread anyway. The comparison between Ronaldo is undeniable.
That's bound to happen when you join one of the biggest clubs in the world and are a raw talent yet possibly the most talented. It's a bit unfair to judge these aspects of his game from that time. Over the summer of the Euros Ronaldo improved more than i've ever seen a player improve. He was suddenly a brilliant finisher, good decision maker, a beast physically and hence in the air and took a great free kick. My point being that he developed his free kick technique during his time with us and learned the art over that period of time.
I'm almost 24 Fv, what about you? I don't mock people here so that's not really going to happen.
I'm pretty sure most we're talking about Ronaldo ala once he started being popular for his free kicks which was 2 seasons ago.
Haha, funny FV isn't pointing out his age. I'd say his still in college ? Maybe 20.
Hey, I'm 22 so I guess I joined the Cafe same age as you since you joined in 2002.
Hmm, I don't agree
Well, Beckham "only" scored 85 goals for United, and I don't think his ratio of goals scored by freekicks was much higher, if at all, than Ronaldo and his 118 goals.
How old are you Boss ?
Well what else could you mean?
It's a pretty simple question, do you think defenders in the Premier League are better than defenders in La Liga?
I'm guessing Becks scored around 20 freekicks for us. Slightly a bit higher than Ronaldo imo. He already mastered his free kicks at the age of 21 I think. If Ronaldo was here for us another 2 seasons then I'd guess Ronaldo would have scored more.
I'm 22, FV then might be about 18 then
Just laughing cause I find it hilarious. Asking for people's ages in Thailand is quite disrepecting.
I didn't mean that at all but to answer your question now, no I don't think Premier League defenders are better than the ones in Spain
If that's the case, Ronaldo's success rate was probably higher, seeing as Beckham played more than 100 games more for United.
Yes.
Why not ? Most PL Defenders are playing regulary for their country while in Spain most defender's are Spanish or Argentinian based. Besides, the PL top 4 sides already have a more superior back for Vs RM or Barca's imo, though both sides are well known for their bad defense. But then again most of them play with a different mentality, both Leagues play with a different tempo thus we can't compare them perfectly. Still I'd say for an attacking team to play Vs and English Defense or a Spanish Defense, They'd choose a Spanish defense anyday imo.
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