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Lionel Messi
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Messi should test himself in England. Spains a walk in the park for him and I don't know what their goalkeeper was doing for his first goal. Falling on your ass like that is never a good idea...
Messi in England would be interesting ,the game is indeed faster and more physical but I think the defenders aren't that great and against a player like him they would never keep up with him.Technically he would easily rape most PL defenses
Considering how well Robinho have done since coming here from La Liga, I bet Messi would rule this league.
Ronaldo has scored more goals than Messi has for Barcelona, as I predicted. 
I'm sure Messi will be a lot less effective in the Premier League than Ronaldo was in the last few seasons.
Why are you mentioning Ronaldo Cal ?
Let it go man, he left United
Let it go man, he left United
2:28 ouch
His new contract at Barca almost guarantees him to finish his career there (best paid footballer and very high contract clause ).
Ronaldo has scored more goals than Messi has for Barcelona, as I predicted.
Did you watch the video i posted? i bet you didnt. But if you did you would see a performance CR-ex7/9 just isn't capable of. It hurts i know but sometimes the truth does and you just have to swollow.
Annoying. Iniesta was by far the best player on the park against Chelsea. He even scored the winner, an absolute stunner. Messi 'set it up'. What nonsense, that pass was hardly a set up. It isn't a set up when you bash the ball in from 25 yards out.
And he was by far the best player in the final too.
Anyhow I don't care how much you people drool over Messi or Ronaldo. Just keep it sane and don't twist facts around to suit your respective teenage heart throb-esque arguments.
Did you watch the video i posted? i bet you didnt. But if you did you would see a performance CR-ex7/9 just isn't capable of. It hurts i know but sometimes the truth does and you just have to swollow.
As if Messi is capable of scoring the kind of freekicks or headers that Ronaldo scores regularly.
The truth is that Ronaldo has scored more for Real Madrid this season than Messi has for Barcelona.
Did you watch the video i posted? i bet you didnt. But if you did you would see a performance CR-ex7/9 just isn't capable of. It hurts i know but sometimes the truth does and you just have to swollow.
You'd know all about that...
Yeah and Messi has barely played one and a half games in la liga you imbicile. So basically Messi still has a better ratio, whilst Messi actually creates chances and has a great assist to his name. Something Ronaldo is incapable of. Another thing Ronaldo has been incapable of is being named MOTM or actually wining a game for his team. In one game Messi has shown more footballing ability than Ronaldo managed in all of his appearances for Madrid so far.
You cant argue with that, you dont watch spanish football
How many of Ronaldos goals came from free kicks or pens so far? he basically relys on other players being fouled in the box or fouled outside the box so he can take all the set peices. Then he relys on the goal keeper chucking them in in most cases. Brilliant
Headers? Messi has scored as many headers in La Liga as Ronaldo so far, he also scored a header in a game you must have forgotten already... Why bring it up, i thought it would hurt a bit.
What are you on about?
I think if Messi was taller his heading would have been more rated because he's actually really good in the air and FV the way you mention FKs it's as if you have as much chances of scoring them than penalties.The amount of skill it requires is unbelievable
Dear God, is the gayest thread in redcafe history gonna continue for another fecking season despite the fact that neither of the players discussed even play for Manchester United?
I strongly disagree, in the top teams by far indeed but overall no way.
Even Torres said something like that IIRC
Even Torres said something like that IIRC
You think defenders in Spain are better?
Seriously?
Seriously?
No, of course it takes skill. BUt the way Ronaldo hits a free kick basically puts it down to luck. His technique generates ball movement and a lot of pace making it fly off his boot. Yes this technique takes a great deal of skill but there is no placement, it is hitting the target and hoping for the best. Unlike genuinely great free kick takers, Maradona, Zico, Mijhalovic, Baggio etc who would whip it into the top corners or find a way to outsmart the goal keeper.
I rate Beckham above Ronaldo for freekick taking too.
Free kicks are great no doubt, seeing a great free kick is seeing something special. Like the one against Portsmouth, that was something else. This season the keepers might as well have saved the shot then chucked the ball into the net.
Frankly fan-boi
Well Brwned these are your words and not mine
Nope, less organized, less emphasis on defending. However i dont think most prem defences are all THAT much better. Cetainly try and be more organized, and teams tend to try and shut up shop a lot more but realistically Messi would be just as devistating in the prem as he is in la liga. Robinho is probably weaker than Messi yet made a great impact at City.
If you are good enough and at the correct age then you will make it in any league in my opinion. The whole "couldnt cut it in the perm" argument is a bizarre one in my opinion. That's not just with regards to Messi either, with any player of genuine class.
FV in a putting Ronaldo down shockerGosh just come out and admit you hate the fella. Rather than demaning him every chance you get while pretending your being objective.
Wow, he's working on the same technique that Juninho ( the best ever free kick taker) masters,the same way of hitting the ball and the same result with the ball's trajectory.
That ain't luck whatsoever my friend, Ronaldo is just on a less advanced level than Juninho but he'll get there the way he's improving them seasons after seasons.
Juninho? the best free kick taker ever?
An awful lot of his free kicks are ballooned a mile wide/over. Or crash into the wall. It is not accuracy he is going for, he is not placing the ball. He is hitting it his way to make it very difficult. He has gotten good at the technique but still it does not rely on placement, he just hammers it and hopes. It is just as likely to hit a guy in Row Z as it is to hit the target.
well let's say "the best of his time" but nice way to deflect the subject
id say it was one of the players i mentioned to be honest.
So Ronaldo working on that technique and the resulting goals is just pure luck then ?
?No, not pure luck but the fact he himself doesnt know exactly where the ball will go puts it down to a large element of luck. The players i mentioned would try and put the ball into a set place in the goal in order to score, which for me is a far more skilful way of scoring a free kick than playing percentages and relying on modern ball movement.
What makes you think he doesn't know where he's aiming ? Besides hitting the ball with so much strength will obviously mean you'd have less precision in the direction.
It's tougher to control it but he's getting better at it, there is no luck in that.Just hardwork
It's tougher to control it but he's getting better at it, there is no luck in that.Just hardwork
I agree, he plays percentages, he hits the target more often now and when he does hit the target it is a nightmare for goal keepers due the the ball tragectory. He's aiming for the target and letting his technique do the work with the way it manipulates the flight of the ball.
YOu can disagree with this but it is just the way i see it, of course i'm being biased by saying there is an element of luck involved in his free kick taking technique...
YOu can disagree with this but it is just the way i see it, of course i'm being biased by saying there is an element of luck involved in his free kick taking technique...
You're trying to change your tune now, you're trying to act as the "luck" you initially mentioned is the one that happens in every strike.I'm pretty you didn't mean that all (it was more like "Ronaldo is more lucky to score FKs than talented for it") otherwise you'd have mention it for all the other great players too.Luck is a part of the game, why feel the need to mention it for Ronaldo and not the others ?
It's just typical of you, trying to undermine Ronaldo in every possible way
It's just typical of you, trying to undermine Ronaldo in every possible way
The fact he is aiming at the goal, not a corner, not trying to outsmart the keeper and completely relying on the way his techinque manipulates the flight of the ball as a means to score/cause problems for the keeper is why i put it down to luck.
Look at videos of genuinely great free kick takers and see the way they find the top corner, and the narrow margins. They curl the ball in, they aim. Zico explains exactly how he took free kicks, as did Mihajlovic. It was accuracy and power, they would aim for a certain part of the goal. Ronaldo has about as much of an idea of what the ball will do once it leaves his foot as the goalkeeper does.
The fact that when he gets it wrong the ball either flys a mile over/wide or hits the wall is evidence of this. When players who aim miss their intended target it tends to be a by a much lesser margin. They will have pulled it too close to the keeper or gotten slightly too much elivation, yet the strike remained close because they are relying on accurracy rather than the balls physics. If Ronaldo doesnt strike it correctly it's a loose cannon. When he does strike it properly it is still a loose cannon, just one that is likely to hit the target.
Look at videos of genuinely great free kick takers and see the way they find the top corner, and the narrow margins. They curl the ball in, they aim. Zico explains exactly how he took free kicks, as did Mihajlovic. It was accuracy and power, they would aim for a certain part of the goal. Ronaldo has about as much of an idea of what the ball will do once it leaves his foot as the goalkeeper does.
The fact that when he gets it wrong the ball either flys a mile over/wide or hits the wall is evidence of this. When players who aim miss their intended target it tends to be a by a much lesser margin. They will have pulled it too close to the keeper or gotten slightly too much elivation, yet the strike remained close because they are relying on accurracy rather than the balls physics. If Ronaldo doesnt strike it correctly it's a loose cannon. When he does strike it properly it is still a loose cannon, just one that is likely to hit the target.
Easy, FranklyVagaur doesn't rate Ronaldo that much. I don't know how you can change his mind. I'd judge a Ronaldo Vs Messi once their in the same side with the same team mates. RM just fielded a whole new team than last season and now we're already comparing these two fecking great players.
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