Only because you lost and we had money on Barca.
Lionel Messi
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You didn't! How could you. I have always said you're the most unsporting guy on the board but that takes the biscuit.
What? Betting should be completely separated from your personal feelings.
Anyone who mixes emotion with their betting won't be very good as a punter.
Of course. But you have the option to decline the engagement. Betting against your team is the most appallingly unsportsmanlike behaviour. I trust you gave your dirty winnings to charity.
peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 & 2009
Just found it funny mate. No offence.
No, I bought myself (and some friends) a few bottles of wine to drown our sorrow.
Much better way of spending the money...
Anyway, some people bet to hedge their emotions (at least get some money out of their team losing), some people bet to increase their pleasure when their team wins.
I bet when I think there is value to bet.
None taken. I don't actually disagree with the arrogant or pretentious but the pompous is wide of the mark.peterstorey Winner of the 'Most pompous arrogant pretentious Gooner' title 2004 & 2009
Just found it funny mate. No offence.
You can't bet against your own team though, there's always value another day in a different kitchen.
Why not, bet you don't think there is a problem when people bet to hedge their emotions or other stupid reasons.
Anyway, I just backed against United every game in this Asia tour (on Asian handicap) and been quite happy with our inability to cover the line.
Well it's not cricket old chap.
Two things here
1/ you actually have some friends
fking hell2/ you actually bet against your own side Man Utd v Barcalona in the European Cup Final, winning a grand
Fkme, I thought I'd heard everything
Or it could mean Messi is due a dip in form. After all he has only had one season in which he started and finished a season fully fit.
Wouldn't it be really funny if after all the bickering in here, next season Kaka out shines both of these fellows and becomes world player of the year again?
I'm just saying....
I'm just saying....
If anyonr still argues Ronaldo being better than Messi, he's a complete retard. Nothing to take away from Ronaldo though would probably end up as one of the greatest of his generation but Messi is a pure genius.
Cal's alright, he's blinkered, even of Messi wins the wins World player of the year for the next seven seasons he would still find holes to belittle him.
Cal's alright, he's blinkered, even of Messi wins the wins World player of the year for the next seven seasons he would still find holes to belittle him.
That's actually far from impossible
Kaka can outshine if Ronaldo struggles to adapt, on form he's as good as any one else. As for these Real Madrid stars even if they are shite, they would always be in the reckoning for all Ballondors and FIFA awards. Like the Zidane and Fat Ronaldo circus, I am confident Kaka and Ronaldo would feature in all these awards for years to come.
So you think Sir Alex is a complete retard, intriguing...
So you go all the way and agree with whatever football managers say. Fergie has also said he wouldnt rule out seeing Ronaldo returning for us sometime in future. I cannot see that happenning unless he does a Beckham at Madrid.
Did I say I agree with everything Sir Alex says?
I was just pointing out that Sir Alex was very clear who he thought was the better player between Ronaldo & Messi, he said Ronaldo is "streets ahead". By your logic, that makes him a complete retard. No?
What exactly do you mean by doing a Beckham? Winning the La Liga title?
Did I say I agree with everything Sir Alex says?
I was just pointing out that Sir Alex was very clear who he thought was the better player between Ronaldo & Messi, he said Ronaldo is "streets ahead". By your logic, that makes him a complete retard. No?
What exactly do you mean by doing a Beckham? Winning the La Liga title?
Winning the La Liga title once in the next the four years!
Sir Alex has been banging this theory for long. what do you expect him to speak about a great player parting on good terms...Ronaldo isnt as good as Messi?
A great player parting out with Fergie on good terms, it hasnt happened often.
He didn't need to say Ronaldo is "streets head" of Messi if he didn't believe it.
He also did believe Stam was finished.
Your point being? Stam never reached the heights he did at United after his move to Lazio.
He was brilliant at Lazio but you would let out the same spastic argument that Lazio didnt win the CL. There were shite thrown at him by the media after he left us, lost his pace, focus etc but even when he played as a RB it was certain he had adequate pace to stand out.
Point here being, Managers all have their prejudices and reservations in rating a footballer in public, Sir Alex is no exception.
This thread has gotten worse and worse and honestly i know fine well i'm a dickhead with regards to the matters discussed.
I do have a club bias but i have other forums for that.
For what it's worth i rate your posts and hope to have decent footballing discussions in future.
clueless hypocritical retard as usual. I dont think i've had less time for a poster than i do for you.
Cheers, i know i've gotten worse. What can i say certain posters really bring out the best in me.
For general football forum discussion i think i'm pretty good, i love my football and dont feel the need to criticise any player/league/team outside of england.
There is lot to choose between Ronaldo and Messi although both are great players in their individual merits. We aint trying to rate a Ronaldo-Cashely Cole rivalary judging based on how they fare against each other.
Its the ability of a footballer to dominate against teams when the stakes are high eventually decides the greatness apart from the overall consistency and Messi has shaded out Ronaldo by a big margin in the first aspect and whenever match fit, Messi is as consistent as any other top footballer including Ronaldo. May be Ronaldo would improve a lot more and overtake Messi in future but you never know.
fishfingers as usual doesnt have a clue on what he's on about.
Its the ability of a footballer to dominate against teams when the stakes are high eventually decides the greatness apart from the overall consistency and Messi has shaded out Ronaldo by a big margin in the first aspect and whenever match fit, Messi is as consistent as any other top footballer including Ronaldo. May be Ronaldo would improve a lot more and overtake Messi in future but you never know.
fishfingers as usual doesnt have a clue on what he's on about.
He was so brilliant that he was shunted to right back. Great!!
People have prejudices, but that does not make anyone who think Ronaldo is better than Messi "a complete retard". Afterall, the best manager ever in the game thinks so too.
FFS, he played for few matches for Lazio as a right back whenever they ran out of options due to injuries. At Milan he made his debut as a right back when Cafu was injured and from the next match he was back to his natural position - the argument was he has lost his pace and crocked up completely which was never the case. He was played as the CB predominantly after he left us, but if you carry on rambling that he was never good at Lazio and Milan as a CB you can find more posters to ridicule your theories.
Not all opinions let out by top managers have come true in the past, unretarded ones do not treat them as the gospel. Any one else outside Ronaldo fanboi clique would think twice before rating him streets ahead of Messi.
How can a player this good cause this much argument?!
When will folk just learn to appreciate such talents!
When will folk just learn to appreciate such talents!
Cool video on some of his nearly goals
I'm not arguing whether Sir Alex is infallible, just pointing out that the best manager ever seems to share the view that Ronaldo is better than Messi.
That alone should be enough to make that view anything but "completely retarded" as you so eloquently put it.
The different here seems to be that whilst I can accept that you (& FV) have a different opinion, I don't see the need to resort to childish playground abuse to make my point.
You two seems to have a problem with people having opinions different to your own.
I've just watched Messi's return to football against Al Aly. He wasn't putting much effort in but he still had some nice touches here and there, I wonder if he might tone his playing style down next season and become more of a playmaker as he tries to avoid defenders kicking his knees to shreds.It wouldn't surprise me if he stopped trying to take so many defenders on next season at all.
Barcelona's youngsters all blended into the team effortlessly. Rudea who scored a 30 yard drive looks like a new Fabregas and Muniesa looks a lot like another Pique, it's just one long production line of players who fit straight in Barca's system. It'll be difficult for Ronaldo and Kaka to outshine Barcelona when they're playing for a team who don't have such well put together tactics, Ronaldo looked a bit like a headless chicken against Shamrock and he seemed to confused where he was playing in the team. That's not his fault but it's going to be hard for Madrid to catch up with Barcelona when they're not half as well managed and already look like they have too many star players, too many cooks ruin the pot is an expression that suits Madrid perfectly.
I can see Ronaldo struggling in his first season in Spain to be the star man of the league when he's playing for a team with problems in what looks like it's going to be a very competitive La Liga next year with Sevilla, Villarreal and Valencia all strengthening over the summer.
Barcelona's youngsters all blended into the team effortlessly. Rudea who scored a 30 yard drive looks like a new Fabregas and Muniesa looks a lot like another Pique, it's just one long production line of players who fit straight in Barca's system. It'll be difficult for Ronaldo and Kaka to outshine Barcelona when they're playing for a team who don't have such well put together tactics, Ronaldo looked a bit like a headless chicken against Shamrock and he seemed to confused where he was playing in the team. That's not his fault but it's going to be hard for Madrid to catch up with Barcelona when they're not half as well managed and already look like they have too many star players, too many cooks ruin the pot is an expression that suits Madrid perfectly.
I can see Ronaldo struggling in his first season in Spain to be the star man of the league when he's playing for a team with problems in what looks like it's going to be a very competitive La Liga next year with Sevilla, Villarreal and Valencia all strengthening over the summer.
You was n't watching us play?
If I were a mod I'd ban you for backing Barca in the CL final.
I always watch Barcelona if given the chance and I found a great stream. I'd rather watch that than United humiliate a pharmaceutical companies' side.
I see....so who do you support again?
It baffles me how his ability to beat players can be so much better than everyone else in world football. He must keep the secret very close to his chest. That video shows that his next wonder goal is probably not too far off.
Lionel Messi 2008/09
51 Apperances
38 Goals
La Liga Champion
Copa Del Rey Champion
European Cup Champion
Cristiano Ronaldo 2007/08
49 Appearances
42 Goals
Premier League Champion
European Cup Champion
That's two incredible seasons right there. They basically matched each other too, Ronaldo's stats are slightly better, but he also took all penalties and free kicks for us which I don't believe Messi does
Stunning achievements for players who aren't even out and out strikers to be amassing those numbers
Two seasons in a row we've seen a player have a very special season. Will someone else be able to do similar this season? Will either of them be able to repeat? Of the two you'd expect Messi to produce again, on familiar ground. Anything could happen with Ronaldo frankly
51 Apperances
38 Goals
La Liga Champion
Copa Del Rey Champion
European Cup Champion
Cristiano Ronaldo 2007/08
49 Appearances
42 Goals
Premier League Champion
European Cup Champion
That's two incredible seasons right there. They basically matched each other too, Ronaldo's stats are slightly better, but he also took all penalties and free kicks for us which I don't believe Messi does
Stunning achievements for players who aren't even out and out strikers to be amassing those numbers
Two seasons in a row we've seen a player have a very special season. Will someone else be able to do similar this season? Will either of them be able to repeat? Of the two you'd expect Messi to produce again, on familiar ground. Anything could happen with Ronaldo frankly
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