He's an absolute genius and one of the best to play the game.
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Actually you are truly dreadful. Staying a newbie? Does that matter to you that much? Time to grow up my boy. My guess you are a 37 year old ya? Try to behave that age
IMO winning it all at one club should elevate your legacy, not diminish it. I'm sure Messi could've won more trophies if he had simply joined the club at which he deemed his chances of winning the UCL the highest, e. g. City or Bayern when Pep was there.
The comfort zone argument is a bit funny I think. As if players of Messi's or Cristiano's magnitude wouldn't have their asses carried for them whereever they choose to play football. I'm fully sure at the very least since Ronaldo joined Madrid, every member of staff at every club he played for was fully devoted to reading every wish from his lips before he can even vocalize it.
The comfort zone argument is a bit funny I think. As if players of Messi's or Cristiano's magnitude wouldn't have their asses carried for them whereever they choose to play football. I'm fully sure at the very least since Ronaldo joined Madrid, every member of staff at every club he played for was fully devoted to reading every wish from his lips before he can even vocalize it.
Doesn't matter to me, I just think you contribute precisely nothing to conversation. All you do is pile in with 'lol penaldo fanboi siuuuuu lolol'. It's not exactly great content.
yeah Jorginho is the best player in the world as it stands. But going back to VVD. Great defenders can rarely beat attackers who had an outstanding season. Vvd had no problem conceding Messi was the best in the world that season also.I think you're probably right, but I do think there's a distinction to be made between being at a club at which you've gone through the ranks (and spent your formational years) and being waited on hand and foot (which tbh i think most footie players probably are).
Messi can't say he was a one club man but he's the record appearance holder for Barca. He gave them all the best years he had.
Doesn’t matter to you so much that you had to post that “staying a newbie” comment, the irony
But yes penaldo fanbois, please do realize that this is not a versus thread, you lot have camped here and derailed the thread for more than a day,in other words you lot have not only contributed nothing, but contributed negatively just because of your insecurities.But it must be great content in your opinion yes?
From what I've seen, it seems to be you lot that keep bringing Ronaldo up. I don't know how many times I have to say it, but I've no particular love for Ronaldo. Wouldn't be sad to see him leave us again. Re the bolded, what insecurities do you think i have?! Interested to know.
I should also say that is pleases me greatly that I can goad three or four posts out of you in quick succession so you have to wait until tomorrow to blather more of your nonsense.
I hear this point getting made a lot but VVD is a humble and decent guy, he was never going to say anything otherwise. Same with his teammates, they are too respectful than to generate controversy by going against Messi. Plus he already won a ton of awards anyways. I dont know if you follow the PL as much as us, but if you did, you'd know that he had a special season that year as a defender, as much as it pains me to say as a united fan. As for Jorginho, I always said he was a strong candidate for Ballon dor and was mocked for it, guess what he finished 3rd after all. Was MOTM in the Euros and instrumental in Chelsea's CL winning campaign, second MOTM in the final and helped to dominate City. Add to that a consistent season in the league and it's a fair shout.
Likewise!You must lead a full and active life mate
I'm a United fan. I follow the PL. But the awards ceremony you listed no one takes very seriously. It has little prestige and little history. No one cares about it really.
Easily. Imagine him throwing himself at top teams rather than sticking it our with Valverde.
Such a weird argument as if so-called comfort zone is guaranteed to bring trophies and it is something to hold against Totti, Maldini, Pele, Del Piero etc. who all played for a single team.
I am gonna explain it with a very simple example that you can understand using your favorite player.
What would happen if Ronaldo stayed in his comfort zone in United after SAF? oh yeah, the comfort zone would be no longer comfortable, after SAF right? Where would he be trophies wise if he stayed in his comfort zone at United all these years
Messi played with tons of mediocre managers, players under different systems and still managed to win major awards.. He stayed after Guardiola and continued to play in both good & bad times at Barca, didn't jump ship when the comfort zone became increasingly uncomfortable..
He still doesn't get that bit. In his mind, staying at the same club (regardless of changes in managers and players) is staying in someone's comfort zone and jumping ship to the latest great club when yours is declining is not.
Buddy, really?! Look at your posts. It's Messi, Ronaldo, Barça threads. Now THAT is pathetic!You just have to laugh at how pathetic he is, don't you?
Also embarrassing that you either didn't know what text speak was, or that you didn't know that 'fyi' was not that!
Have you ever moved jobs, or do you live in mum's basement?!
Meltdown?! Please point it out! Also, who is this 'everyone' that I'm apparently proving correct? Or is it...just...you?Aww here's another meltdown. Way to prove everyone correct
Keep going. This is hilarious.
Which leash?Triggered. On my leash
In what way?
Waiting!
Yeah, posting about Messi's achievements in a Messi thread makes one strange while posts about Ronaldo's move to Sporting not
Funny, isn't it? Seems to trigger emotion hysteria everyone anyone does it.
I don't think anyone knew he would accomplish all this even when Maradona called him his second coming. It's been incredible.
7 balón dors.
6 golden boots
8 domestic top scorer awards
3 international POTT awards
Highest goalscoring peak in history
40 trophies and closing in on the all time record
4 IFFS playmaker awards.
I disagree that anyone expected all of this.
What does the bolded mean?
People with discernment might realise that it might be a bit disconcerting to make a change for the first time at age 34 after 20 years in one place. And if you look at the stats, he was pretty much the same Messi apart from the goals. But they will come. Be patient Mr Hater, there will be so much more Messi brilliance for you to cry over in the future!
Yeah, it's not a good policy for the most part.
Wow....
Cool, so you agree that he was in his comfort zone at Barça and moving out of it made him play worse then? As you say, making a change after so long can be tough...
The comfort zone argument is dumb. I can't put it any other way. Barcelona are one of the biggest clubs in the world and the pressure to perform for them is immense. Just ask Diego Maradona. They've had more great players play for them than any other club and Messi has been better than all of them.
His presence there has coincided with the club's most successful period (by far) and they now have 5 CLs and status as a European power, which they didn't have prior to Messi because they'd only won the European Cup once. It's a silly narrative that makes no sense, especially as Messi wanted to stay at Barca long term because he believes they are responsible for his career as a professional.
The comfort zone argument is dumb. I can't put it any other way unfortunately.
Exactly.
You don't hear that thrown at Ferguson for staying at United too long.
He could have challenged himself on the Continent after dominating Scotland and England.
Or Scholes Or Giggs (Who would he regarded more highly in general if it wasn't for his off filed antics).
There's some truth here, and some silliness. Do you really think they didn't have a status as a European power before Messi?! Doesn't matter how many times they won it previously, they were always one of the best in the business. Surely what you said here: 'They've had more great players play for them than any other club' would mean that they'd be considered a European power?
Again, I'm not sure you're understanding what comfort zone actually means. He grew up in the system, learned to play the Barça way and has been playing in the nou camp since he was 17 or younger. The only thing that's 'dumb' is thinking that Messi wasn't comfortable at Barcelona.
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But you seemed to agree in a previous message that it was a place he was comfortable. Or do you think he'd been feeling really awkward for more than fifteen years at Barca?!
There are literally thousands of players that have been at a club from youth and stayed at the club their entire lives. The problem with calling it a comfort zone is that being familiar with your surroundings doesn't give you an advantage over your opponents. Which is the whole point of football, you have to go out and beat other teams, at home and abroad. That's why it's silly. It's hilarious you comparing it to you dodging paperwork at your job.
Genuinely, what are you talking about? Please, read both the bold, then read what I've posted. Have a think, then try posting again.
No, the point is that you can't be comfortable at the top in a high level football club. You have to win every single game. Especially a basketcase club like Barca, which is second only to Madrid in nutty fan demands.