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Just as your shit only started Ronaldo went to Juventus..

99% my arse . That’s just completely false and shows how biased you are that you think 99% would be against Ronaldo due to him having a lower technical ability.

Mental ability is beautiful, just because your IQ may not see it with your eyes doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

Let's leave the discussion about the 5 time balón dor and 4 time golden boot winner in his thread.
I'll quote your post there and reply there, and I hope that the poster you're quoting will reply there as well instead of here.

Let's leave this thread for the 7 time balón dor winner and 6 time golden boot winner.
 
I don't think it will be touched either because nobody besides Müller has even gotten close to that number. You'd need an almost perfect season to challenge it. Here are the most goals in a year:
PlayerGoalsYear
Lionel Messi912012
Gerd Muller851972
Pele751958
Pele721965
Zico721979
Romario722000
Nobody in the modern era has gotten 70, and nobody else in history besides Müller's insane 1972 year has even gotten more than 75.

It's one of those Wilt Chamberlain records. I can't imagine it being topped.
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The other one that I don't see being topped soon is the overal contribution record:

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Mbappé's productivity is increasing but I'm still not sure he'll challenge that. And I don't see an out and out striker like Haaland (or any other) doing that because they wouldn't have a high enough assist total on top of their goals.

I think stuff like var might grant someone like Mbappe and Haaland enough penalties to overtake it at some point. Still the chance is small, but I think Haaland at city will hit crazy numbers.
 
Players who were rated highly but failed once leaving club or league or comfort zone :D (or got more precisely rated after new tenure)
  • Maradona - Barcelona
  • Rush - Juventus
  • Ince - Inter
  • Shevchenko - Chelsea
  • Kaka - Real Madrid
  • Torres - Chelsea
  • Hazard - Real Madrid
  • Falcao - United
  • Ronaldinho - AC Milan
  • Kagawa- United
  • Coutinho- Barcelona
  • Neymar - PSG level/achievement vs Barcelona
  • Crespo- Chelsea
  • Thierry Henry - Barcelona
  • Fabregas - Barcelona
  • Suker arsenal


  • Il always believe a players need to play in different leagues or even a simple team to prove the test. There’s plenty more players who were worse once moving and this is just from my head.
  • At no point do I believe Messi would flop at a different league/different team - but I’d feel that he would look more like a great legendary player than say the undisputed GOAT he did at Barcelona. His 90 goals per season - I don’t think he could have done that playing for a different team in a different league. All I am seeing with Messi at PSG is t he same - a great legendary player, but the GOAT? Not from his last season in France.
 
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I think stuff like var might grant someone like Mbappe and Haaland enough penalties to overtake it at some point. Still the chance is small, but I think Haaland at city will hit crazy numbers.

I would agree but I still think it's safe simply because the drop off is considerable. Nobody besides Romario has gotten 70 in the modern era. It isn't as if 10 more penalties due to VAR would close the gap. It's 22 more than Lewandowski's 2021 calender year.
 
I should also say that is pleases me greatly that I can goad three or four posts out of you in quick succession so you have to wait until tomorrow to blather more of your nonsense.
I mean…you even tracked/checked the number of posts I posted yesterday? And you actually called someone else pathetic? Are you a 37 years old manchild? Of course you are
Anyway, I am glad replying twice to you in quick succession helped you to sleep a lot better. :) Hope you got high on it

Oh the irony coming from someone who's doing it right now :D Can't help yourself, can ya?

Just put that manchild on ignore, probably has no friends real life and come into the forum to live in his alternate reality
 
I mean…you even tracked/checked the number of posts I posted yesterday? And you actually called someone else pathetic? Are you a 37 years old manchild? Of course you are
Anyway, I am glad replying twice to you in quick succession helped you to sleep a lot better. :) Hope you got high on it



Just put that manchild on ignore, probably has no friends real life and come into the forum to live in his alternate reality
Good morning!
 
The only problem is they did not take the same exams. One aced multiple exams in terms of GOAT level playmaking, dribbling, goal scoring, passing, technique and creativity etc basically the major areas that made football fun to watch. The other was not even qualified to take the exam in most these areas other than goal scoring. Take away most goals scored by Messi, you still have a Maradona like player..

One was not tutored by the best (with the exception of Guardiola) whereas the other got his training from the very best in all these different countries all these years..

Also, had the other student stayed with his mum & dad at United, he would end up with way less success meaning staying with mum & dad is sometimes way more challenging than leaving home in terms of success..

Only one won major individual trophies (Ballon D'or & Golden Shoes) with poor tutors and average support cast..
Finally, only one did not compromise his creativity to maximize his goal stats by turning into a penalty box poacher and continued to exhibit his multiple skills..

The difference in quality of managers has always not been talked enough. CR7 has for most parts of his career been coached by the who’s who of football management, Messi only had 3 seasons under Pep.
 
The difference in quality of managers has always not been talked enough. CR7 has for most parts of his career been coached by the who’s who of football management, Messi only had 3 seasons under Pep.

Messi had 3 years under treble winning, followed by double winning Luis Enrique.

They’ve both had their fair of shite too.
 
Messi had 3 years under treble winning, followed by double winning Luis Enrique.

They’ve both had their fair of shite too.
Hahhaha…Pep + Enrique as compared to SAF, Mou, Ancelotti, Zidane? Enrique is the odd one out of that list, i guess Messi has more than his fair share of shite as compared to CR7 eh?
 
What's funny is that this infamous discussion alwys goes so differently to other player comparisons. You'd never see someone arguing about comfort zones or doing it in multiple leagues when comparing, say, Scholes with Seedorf or Iniesta with Neymar. Why is that?

My theory is that some people want to see Ronaldo ahead, so they compare their careers, identify in which particular areas Messi might be behind and suddenlyndecide that this criterion was the most important all along :angel:
 
Hahhaha…Pep + Enrique as compared to SAF, Mou, Ancelotti, Zidane? Enrique is the odd one out of that list, i guess Messi has more than his fair share of shite as compared to CR7 eh?

Bloody hell, defensive much :lol:

I was just stating that Enrique is clearly a brilliant and successful manager and that both players have had their Pirlo, Koeman or Ole manager periods.
 
Bloody hell, defensive much :lol:

I was just stating that Enrique is clearly a brilliant and successful manager and that both players have had their Pirlo, Koeman or Ole manager periods.
And that means you agree on my point that Messi had more shite managers/cr7 has far more great managers ya? Guess we are in agreement
 
Messi had 3 years under treble winning, followed by double winning Luis Enrique.

They’ve both had their fair of shite too.

No. Enrique is a good manager but he's never won a trophy at any level without Messi in his team.

Pep is the only truly elite manager that Messi has ever had. And he was a nobody when they first linked up, they helped each other get to the top.
 
Nothing to debate about, just agreeing or disagreeing on that statement, guess it is difficult for some people

Are you deliberately missing the point again? This isn’t the thread to discuss those two players and things like their past managers, this is a thread to talk about Messi at PSG.

Is that too difficult for you to understand so that you can stop the derailing the thread?

There is a thread for that horrendous debate elsewhere.
 
Messi has his own burger at hard rock cafe in Spain. It's a health monstrosity!

If he's eating this it probably explains why he's walking around the pitch, barely breaking to a run these days :lol: !
 
What's funny is that this infamous discussion alwys goes so differently to other player comparisons. You'd never see someone arguing about comfort zones or doing it in multiple leagues when comparing, say, Scholes with Seedorf or Iniesta with Neymar. Why is that?

My theory is that some people want to see Ronaldo ahead, so they compare their careers, identify in which particular areas Messi might be behind and suddenlyndecide that this criterion was the most important all along :angel:

I honestly don't recall the term 'comfort zone' being used to describe any player who stayed at one club for a long time (of which there are obviously many) before this debate became a thing. I remember people being lauded for their loyalty however.

Fact of the matter is, you're never going to get pure love from a singular fanbase if you hop around. That's the issue.
 
Messi has his own burger at hard rock cafe in Spain. It's a health monstrosity!

If he's eating this it probably explains why he's walking around the pitch, barely breaking to a run these days :lol: !
I doubt he eats it often. Though I've heard he has a fondness for Pepsi
 
I thought the report function was for ad hominem insults, no?! Feel like I used it appropriately.
It was hardly an insult. You admitted goading in your post. Double whammy: Abusing the report function and inciting posters.

"good morning" indeed.
 
It was hardly an insult. Double whammy: Abusing the report function and inciting posters.

"good morning" indeed.
Hardly an insult?! It's no biggie, obviously, but what would you say the below is, if not insulting?

I mean…you even tracked/checked the number of posts I posted yesterday? And you actually called someone else pathetic? Are you a 37 years old manchild? Of course you are
Anyway, I am glad replying twice to you in quick succession helped you to sleep a lot better. :) Hope you got high on it



Just put that manchild on ignore, probably has no friends real life and come into the forum to live in his alternate reality
 
Hardly an insult?! It's no biggie, obviously, but what would you say the below is, if not insulting?
This is a football forum. Harly a post worthy of a report. This is not an elderly ladies' knitting forum. I suggest you stop goading for reactions if you want to enjoy the forum.
 
I don't think it will be touched either because nobody besides Müller has even gotten close to that number. You'd need an almost perfect season to challenge it. Here are the most goals in a year:
PlayerGoalsYear
Lionel Messi912012
Gerd Muller851972
Pele751958
Pele721965
Zico721979
Romario722000
Nobody in the modern era has gotten 70, and nobody else in history besides Müller's insane 1972 year has even gotten more than 75.

It's one of those Wilt Chamberlain records. I can't imagine it being topped.
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The other one that I don't see being topped soon is the overal contribution record:

E9uW_EQUYAMz1hc.jpg


Mbappé's productivity is increasing but I'm still not sure he'll challenge that. And I don't see an out and out striker like Haaland (or any other) doing that because they wouldn't have a high enough assist total on top of their goals.
Those records are phenomenal and won't be bettered in our life time. Messi at his peak was simply the most gifted footballer the sport has seen. His unparalleled combination of vision, passing, dribbling, and finishing was truly special and unplayable. It was like molding Iniesta, Xavi and Ronaldo into one footballer.
 
This is a football forum. Harly a post worthy of a report. This is not an elderly ladies' knitting forum. I suggest you stop goading for reactions if you want to enjoy the forum.
I appreciate your suggestion. If you've any advice about good knitting forums I'd be grateful.
 
I honestly don't recall the term 'comfort zone' being used to describe any player who stayed at one club for a long time (of which there are obviously many) before this debate became a thing. I remember people being lauded for their loyalty however.

Fact of the matter is, you're never going to get pure love from a singular fanbase if you hop around. That's the issue.

Yeah Loyalty has been replaced with comfort zone. But only for Messi. Whenever Giggs vs Beckham is debated, the fact that Beckham did an alright job at Madrid is never brought up and Giggs isn't accused of never leaving his comfort zone.
 
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Yeah Loyalty has been replaced with comfort zone. But only for Messi. Whenever Giggs vs Beckham is debated, the fact that Beckham did an alright job at Madrid is never brought up and Giggs isn't accused of never leaving his comfort zone.
Here's the thing, a player could have the most perfect record, dominated in every league, etc, people would still find a way to take them down. There's absolutely zero reason to bother trying to find logic in people's criticism because most of them are in bad faith to begin with, especially if it comes to legendary players like Messi.
 
Those records are phenomenal and won't be bettered in our life time. Messi at his peak was simply the most gifted footballer the sport has seen. His unparalleled combination of vision, passing, dribbling, and finishing was truly special and unplayable. It was like molding Iniesta, Xavi and Ronaldo into one footballer.
I struggle to think of any human that’s been as good at their craft as Messi is at football.
 
I struggle to think of any human that’s been as good at their craft as Messi is at football.
Wayne Gretzki, Lebron James/Michael Jordan, Roger Federer, Daniel Day Lewis, Tom Brady, that's a few off the top of my head.
 
I struggle to think of any human that’s been as good at their craft as Messi is at football.

Pelé, Maradona and Cryuff were still alright. Depends on how much importance you place on the modern era. His only true peer is Pelé imo, but the standards of the game has changed a lot since then, but that's not his fault. Maradona actually scored quite a lot despite being a 10 or 2nd striker. But Messi dribbles like Garrincha, scores like Pelé and Ronaldo and is a top notch playmaker as well. He just lacks the heading ability due to his height and could have a better weaker foot.
 
Just as your shit only started Ronaldo went to Juventus..

99% my arse . That’s just completely false and shows how biased you are that you think 99% would be against Ronaldo due to him having a lower technical ability.

Mental ability is beautiful, just because your IQ may not see it with your eyes doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

99% would place technique, creative above anything else, what are you smoking? Now, the guy thinks only a select few fans (not surprisingly some Ronaldo fans) can understand the new BS called "mental ability" as if he has one, mental ability in terms of jump-shipping when things start to go wrong and posting cry baby posts on instagram. Funny that, super mental powers stopped working after Real :lol:
 
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99% would place technique, creative above anything else, what are you smoking? Now, the guy thinks only a select few fans (not surprisingly some Ronaldo fans) can understand the new BS called "mental ability" as if he has one, mental ability in terms of jump-shipping when thing start to go wrong and posting cry baby posts on instagram:lol:
Such a weird passive-aggressive take. Are you 16 or something?

I think the Messi and Ronaldo threads usually contain the biggest pool of idiots ond this forum.
 
Yeah Loyalty has been replaced with comfort zone. But only for Messi. Whenever Giggs vs Beckham is debated, the fact that Beckham did an alright job at Madrid is never brought up and Giggs isn't accused of never leaving his comfort zone.
Comfort zone only became a thing in the Messi Era. And it is used exclusively with Messi. When he retires it probably will fade back into obscurity
 
The difference in quality of managers has always not been talked enough. CR7 has for most parts of his career been coached by the who’s who of football management, Messi only had 3 seasons under Pep.

The moment Ronaldo began working with Solskjaer who helped United finish 2nd the previous season, all of a sudden, Ronaldo fans began to talk about managers and their importance :lol: Where have they been all these years when people said managers make a huge difference and Messi did not have the same luxury, but noooo, in their world, when Ronaldo's team wins, it is Ronaldo who brought the trophy. But, when he loses, it is his teammates, managers, conspiracy against Ronaldo etc..

If we ask any football fan the best managers last 20 years in top football nations, they would definitely include Guardiola, Klopp, SAF, Zidane, Mourinho, Conte, Allegri, Ancelotti at the top of the list. Ronaldo worked with 6 of them and Messi with just one. Imagine the worse ones he worked with are Sarri, Pellegrini type of coaches still better than the typical type Messi had to work with..
 
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Such a weird passive-aggressive take. Are you 16 or something?

I think the Messi and Ronaldo threads usually contain the biggest pool of idiots ond this forum.


I suppose you rarely visit the transfer or player performances sections of this forum? :D
 
I mean…you even tracked/checked the number of posts I posted yesterday? And you actually called someone else pathetic? Are you a 37 years old manchild? Of course you are
Anyway, I am glad replying twice to you in quick succession helped you to sleep a lot better. :) Hope you got high on it



Just put that manchild on ignore, probably has no friends real life and come into the forum to live in his alternate reality

It seems that one of the mods took care of him already. Pretty strange human being :lol:



Those records are phenomenal and won't be bettered in our life time. Messi at his peak was simply the most gifted footballer the sport has seen. His unparalleled combination of vision, passing, dribbling, and finishing was truly special and unplayable. It was like molding Iniesta, Xavi and Ronaldo into one footballer.


That's the key bit to me. To be the best goalscorer AND the best playmaker at the same time is a little preposterous. I don't see anyone matching his goalscoring peak to begin with. Factor in the fact that he was the best dribbler on the planet and arguably the best playmaker on the planet at the same time and what you had was a peak that might never be touched.
 
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I suppose you rarely visit the transfer or player performances sections of this forum? :D
I actually do, but there, the ones messing them up at least they call spade a spade.

This guy is trying to smartass an insult behind some passive aggressive text and I just couldn't help myself call him out.
 
Wayne Gretzki, Lebron James/Michael Jordan, Roger Federer, Daniel Day Lewis, Tom Brady, that's a few off the top of my head.

I love Federer but he isn't the best tennis player every, nevermind the intersport comparison. Federer is neither the slam count holder or the weeks at number 1 leader.

LeBron is phenomenal, but like Federer, isn't the best in his sport. He has 4 MVPs and 4 FMVPs in 19 years basketball compared to Jordans 5 and 6 in his 11 seasons with the Bulls. Jordan leads him in PER and winshare average and had the better peak.

Gretsky and Brady might be more dominant in their sports than Messi has been in football. And Jordan definitely was, in my opinion.

Agree with your overall point. Messi might be the greatest at this particular sport but we should stop short of declaring him the best athlete.
 
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It seems that one of the mods took care of him already. Pretty strange human being :lol:






That's the key bit to me. To be the best goalscorer AND the best playmaker at the same time is a little preposterous. I don't see anyone matching his goalscoring peak to begin with. Factor in the fact that he was the best dribbler on the planet and arguably the best playmaker on the planet at the same time and what you had was a peak that might never be touched.

Don't think he was the best playmaker on the planet to be fair although he was among the best.