Life after ETH — the next United manager

[RDCR07]

Yeah I think so.

Xavi and Zidane would also be interesting as would a wildcard entry like McKenna.

Thing is though. None of these candidates are available now.

Is everyone happy to continue with Ten Hag, or use an interim option, for near enough a full season so we can get the best candidate?

There’s no patience.

Definitely interim. Ten Hag is not the answer.

 

[roseguy64]

Being in the CL is much, much better for our finances, allowing us to invest in the squad more, and it also makes it easier to attract better players. Our transfer policy being garbage for the last while doesn’t mean it has to stay that way. Of course getting back into the top of and regular CL football should be our goal.

As for putting up with a few years of genuine shit whilst “patiently changing our DNA”, what does that even mean? Sounds like meaningless nonsense used to justify continued underperformance. Being shit isn’t a mandatory rite of passage on the way to being good. There are other ways to get good.

That poster thinks the Arsenal method is the only way to build clearly. The thing is they did a squad rebuild during those years is why they faltered. We've already done a squad rebuild and are now worse than we were before.

 

[roseguy64]

Nonsense, I’m saying nothing of the sort. I don’t think there’s anyone that doesn’t think there aren’t some underlying, bigger issues that need to be sorted, but getting in a manager who can make us top four in the short term isn’t mutually exclusive to making those bigger, long term changes, especially when such significant changes to the footballing side of the club are already being made. It may even help, because it will help fund what we hope to be a smarter and more stable and long term approach in the transfer market.

You’re presenting a false dichotomy based on nothing more than a feeling over how someone like Tuchel might do. There’s no set way on how clubs get back to the top. Short term managers who bring short term success can absolutely be a part viable part of a successful long term strategy that involves multiple people and multiple elements.

Exactly this. Why can we not try to finish top 4 consecutively while building towards a title challenge? It's not impossible. We almost did it under Ole.

 

[Maluco]

If it’s southgate, you may as well wrap up the club. It is doomed before it starts and hammers down the fact that the new regime won’t be any different to the old one.

If they play the long game and hire the right man, that’s great. If they play the long game, let Ten Hag ruin another season, and then hire Southgate? There isn’t anyway the trust is coming back after that.

 

[sullydnl]

I think INEOS have shown there are happy to be patient if it means getting who they want, even if that takes time (see Berrada and Ashworth appointments).

I think the fans who are losing their shit about things not happening immediately really need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

We can get rid of Ten Hag immediately, but that means finding a suitable interim and a good chance of a Rangnick type season and over a much longer period. That could be the trade off in order to get the person the club one to lead the project and would surely make it worth it in the long term.

Or we can knee jerk and just appoint a third or fourth choice option now and move away from the plan. Then there’s a risk of needing to do this all again within 12 months much like Clearlake.

The final option is keep Ten Hag a bit longer and see if he can bridge some of that gap.

Plus even if we change managers right now, there's only so much realistic upside this season.

Already 6 points behind 5th place and 8th most likely to finish in the top four as per the bookies, I wouldn't back either ETH or a new guy to secure top four from here. So I suspect we'd be hoping for a cup win as the most likely source of any success (and CL qualification) this season regardless.

If people think an interim has more chance of winning one of those cups or pulling off an unlikely top four finish than ETH, fair enough. But I suspect the odds are we ultimately end up having a similar season either way.

 

[Louis Van Gonads]

Will people who voted Xabi Alonso still rate him when he has a poor season this year?

Same question for McKenna.

 

[didz]

I think INEOS have shown there are happy to be patient if it means getting who they want, even if that takes time (see Berrada and Ashworth appointments).

I think the fans who are losing their shit about things not happening immediately really need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

We can get rid of Ten Hag immediately, but that means finding a suitable interim and a good chance of a Rangnick type season and over a much longer period. That could be the trade off in order to get the person the club one to lead the project and would surely make it worth it in the long term.

Or we can knee jerk and just appoint a third or fourth choice option now and move away from the plan. Then there’s a risk of needing to do this all again within 12 months much like Clearlake.

The final option is keep Ten Hag a bit longer and see if he can bridge some of that gap.

It's probably a good idea to ask what a suitable interim actually looks like. You want them to do well, but you also don't want them to put a spanner in the works if there's a head coach you have your sights set on in the summer. And of course there's the Rangnick fear too.

I think when Chelsea hired Hiddink that was probably the best example of how to do it. He had other commitments with Russia that made him necessarily a short-term hire, but was a big enough name and brain to get instant respect from the squad and oversee an upturn in results.

There's no major international tournament this season (Gold Cup aside), so I'm wondering if there are any NT managers who could do a stint. Spalletti? Bielsa? Tuchel redux? It's likely that the bigger FAs don't want their managers to be seen to be splitting focus, but there's gotta be somebody we could get if push comes to shove?

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

I have to admit I did not expect EtH to last this break at all. Of all the times we thought a manager was done post SAF at this club, this was the lowest low and the most obvious moment to change.

Glazers would have definitely sacked him by now, so the least we can say about INEOS is that they're doing things differently.

No idea how we don't stagnate or get worse at our current pace, but I am open to being surprised on that front, too. Maybe EtH still has a few tricks up his sleeve.

 

[Who's Kissing Cameras?]

Not a single trophy won between them, unless I’m missing something

Ruud won the KNVB Cup (Dutch FA Cup).

 

[tentan]

Tuchel after he wins the world cup.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Tuchel after he wins the world cup.

No thanks. A manager who turned us down can go feck himself. Also, you want ETH here till 2026?

 

[Micky Targaryen]

Current favourtites:

Ruud - 4/1
Southgate - 5/1
McKenna - 11/1
Potter - 22/1
Thomas Frank - 25/1

What a fecking depressing list. Biggest club in the world apparently.

 

[croadyman]

So Tuchel going to England and Amorim potentially going to City (if Pep goes).

And we're stuck with ETH. Lovely.

Changed vote to Alonso (must be deluded). Realistically hoping we can put in place a deal for Inzaghi or Amorim to take over in the summer.

Much as I would love to think INEOS had the cash to lure away Nagelsmann unfortunately that's not possible. Highly doubt he is going to leave managing his country before World Cup anyway.

 

[The Red Thinker]

What a fecking depressing list. Biggest club in the world apparently.

What has the size of the club got to do with the options available (per betting odds of all things) to replace the manager?

 

[Micky Targaryen]

What has the size of the club got to do with the options available (per betting odds of all things) to replace the manager?

Could you see the likes of Madrid and City having a betting odds list like this?

 

[The Red Thinker]

Could you see the likes of Madrid and City having a betting odds list like this?

Let's live in reality. Who is out there? Naglesmann is not going anywhere. Zidane doesn't speak English. Carlo is at Madrid. Who fits the bill of the playstyle we want to play. Xabi Alonso doesn't want to leave mid season. Tell me who.

 

[devilsadvoca8]

Could you see the likes of Madrid and City having a betting odds list like this?

Same Madrid that hired Lopetegui and had Santiago Solari and Raul on betting lists for next manager before Ancelotti took over. Let's not overblow this. It's just options people are betting on, happens with every club, you just don't pay attention to it as much. The list INEOS will actually have will include more than just those names.

 

[golden_blunder]

Yeah I think so.

Xavi and Zidane would also be interesting as would a wildcard entry like McKenna.

Thing is though. None of these candidates are available now.

Is everyone happy to continue with Ten Hag, or use an interim option, for near enough a full season so we can get the best candidate?

There’s no patience.

What is it that you’re advocating?

 

[doubleohseven]

Apparently was approached in the summer and declined. Prefers to be in the CL instead of PL relegation battle.

United is beneath him.

He can get CL football (and trophies) at Celtic.

Who would you want next? I see you downplaying most options.

Keep ten Hag until a suitable replacement emerges.

As for next, I'd entertain Amorim, Nagelsman, McKenna or, for entertainment purposes, Brendan Rodgers.

 

[thefrenchy]

Did you see what Emmanuel Petit said about Zidane ?

 

[Adz_99]

Is there any reason to not just go all in for Pep?

He's leaving City at the end of the season. He lives in Manchester. I can't imagine loyalty to that blue plastic crap club is going to be an issue like it is with Klopp and Liverpool...

I'd be on the phone to baldy (the good one) if I was Jim

 

[Sarni]

Same Madrid that hired Lopetegui and had Santiago Solari and Raul on betting lists for next manager before Ancelotti took over. Let's not overblow this. It's just options people are betting on, happens with every club, you just don't pay attention to it as much. The list INEOS will actually have will include more than just those names.

Solari actually managed them for a few months.

 

[trailertrash]

Is there any reason to not just go all in for Pep?

He's leaving City at the end of the season. He lives in Manchester. I can't imagine loyalty to that blue plastic crap club is going to be an issue like it is with Klopp and Liverpool...

I'd be on the phone to baldy (the good one) if I was Jim

I mean you seriously think Pep would swap City for United?

 

[RedRocket9908]

Current favourites:

Ruud - 4/1
Southgate - 5/1
McKenna - 11/1
Potter - 22/1
Thomas Frank - 25/1

These are the kind of candidates we'll have to look as its clear from the fact we've being rejected by the likes of Tuchel, Hoeneb, and Alonso that the top managers simply dont want the job that INEOS are offering.

 

[Zoo]

 

[Red Star One]

Means nothing such statement

 

[romufc]

Same Madrid that hired Lopetegui and had Santiago Solari and Raul on betting lists for next manager before Ancelotti took over. Let's not overblow this. It's just options people are betting on, happens with every club, you just don't pay attention to it as much. The list INEOS will actually have will include more than just those names.

The funny thing is people are acting as if this is a list provided by the club... its the bookies. so far, INEOS have done things under wraps, so I would assume the managerial shortlist is under wraps too.

People are just upset that there is no leaks anymore that they can speculate on, so they grasp at anything.

I still see people talking as if Southgate will be our manager.

 

[Hoof the ball]

Did you see what Emmanuel Petit said about Zidane ?

You can't just lead with that question and then not follow up!

 

[Rolaholic]

You can't just lead with that question and then not follow up!

Likely this

 

[GreatDane]

Solari actually managed them for a few months.

Solari was the manager when Ten Hags Ajax beat them.
Would he have won against another Real Madrid manager?

 

[TheReligion]

Could you see the likes of Madrid and City having a betting odds list like this?

Who gives a shit ?

 

[TheReligion]

What is it that you’re advocating?

I think I would like an interim and Ten Hag to go. I would rather do than than rush a second best type of appointment.

 

[Zoo]

Means nothing such statement

Could mean something too

 

[croadyman]

If the plan sincerely is to have Ten Hag see out his contract only to hire Southgate in the summer, then I'll curse the fact we didn't leave Ashworth in his garden.

Hopefully they're a bit more ambitious than that.

Yeah surely someone out there can come along and take him off the market. We could then all stop sweating profusely at the thought

 

[golden_blunder]

I think I would like an interim and Ten Hag to go. I would rather do than than rush a second best type of appointment.

I would too, not only for a boost in performance but also to lift the negative vibe hanging around the whole club

 

[soapythecat]

If the structure at the club now is as good as they say (I don’t think it is), then why does it have to be an elite manager? Why not follow the Brighton model and trust the structure around a young manager with personality and good playing style? Ireola is one in the PL who springs to mind. But there must be a few out there, operating under the radar who would suit our players and get them playing to their strengths (they are all capable of playing so much better). Given expectations beyond our fan base are the lowest since the PL began, cheers Erik, then the opportunity to make this appointment is now. We don’t need Anchelotti or another expensive option - we need to be bold and trust this structure. We aren’t going to win the league in the next 20 years and probably won’t make top 4 for a good few years so why not?

 

[TheReligion]

I would too, not only for a boost in performance but also to lift the negative vibe hanging around the whole club

It is a complicated situation though and I do feel bigger picture is more important than a rushed job. Clearlake did exactly that and wasted millions on various coaches before settling (post Tuchel).

We don’t want to go that way.

 

[croadyman]

Likely this

Certain he is only waiting for France job, maybe if there was quotes about being open to managing in England or learning the language I just might have a slither of hope it could happen. Unfortunately it seems to be the complete opposite.

 

[golden_blunder]

It is a complicated situation though and I do feel bigger picture is more important than a rushed job. Clearlake did exactly that and wasted millions on various coaches before settling (post Tuchel).

We don’t want to go that way.

But the difference is that Clearlake have absolutely no football people making those choices, Americans who knew nothing about soccer just chucking money around.

 

[golden_blunder]

Likely this

Afraid of having to build a cohesive team than walking into a ready made scenario like Madrid. He will end up back there when Carlo is done