Let's all laugh at England

I said United have always sought British talent. Those players and managers always relied on a strong English and British core.

But we're talking about the England football team not the British football team. Those I mentioned and many others would be laughing at England's loss too. :smirk:
 
I said it's completely fair enough as an overseas fan to not support the country of the club you follow
This is the issue. It shouldn't be restricted only to overseas fans. Englishmen/women or those who are natives of England, should not be forced to support the English national team, just because they happen to be fans of United.
 
I think if you actively hate any footballer, regardless of who they play for, you have a narrow view of life and I feel sorry for you.
Funny you say that because Beckham was hated by the whole of England. So why should any non English manutd fan support England?
 
How did you feel when Beckham got absolutely crucified by the same entity and it’s people? And after that Rooney and many more united players. This club is hated by far the most in the whole of England fans media and pundits alike. Why the hell all non English fans should care about england football team when it’s filled with 90% rival clubs players? We have no reason to like England. You lot can look past club rivalries for a month because it’s your nation after all but we are under no such obligation to look past those things. Seeing the likes of Henderson, Pickford and many more lifting the World Cup is the last thing non English fans want to see. Not to mention the English fans who might be biggest reason of not feeling anything for your football team.
United are also one of the most loved teams in the UK. People dislike United because they were successful and there are just as many who dislike Liverpool.

People don't have to care about England but they can't undermine the ties England and United have had with each other.
 
Why should I? I am not English and I have no reason to support England football team. I never have. I am a Manchester United supporter. I have been for over 50 years. Maybe being a Bristol supporter you may not understand that it's also the world wide support of United that made what it's today. Before you go off the rails I have beto OT many a time. And do you think only the English should support a football club in England?
I will try not to go off the rails! I actually love Utd too. They are my second team hence why I’m on this forum. I respect your love for Utd. I was probably a little drunk last night and hurting over the loss.
 
We are separate but we're very much based on a Mancunian and by extension English identity. Manchester and the surrounding area is not one that tries to separate itself from Englishness or Britishness like Barcelona and Spain.

You don't have to care for England but its weird to take pleasure in England losing especially when involves many of our players. Moreover we need to acknowledge that United exists as a British entity in England, its not independent even if it represents something that is more international.
OMG this might be the worst yet.
I think you have a national front meeting calling you.
 
I actually think there's a lot of logic behind tribalismm but no inevitable necessity, especially for more educated people


Yeah, I edited that post, actual tribalism is pretty much all logic, but this almost arbitrary selection of a tribe is funny. And it makes these conversations tricky for some as there is at the same time lots of conflation and dissonance simultaneously.
 
This is my point, United have always formed a strong part of the best English sides and United have sought British and English talent.

I'd argue United has been important to the development of the English national team as Bayern Munich with Germany.

There are some cases where the relationship between the national side can be murky such Barcelona and Spain but that's not the case with United.

I know a ton of Danish Bayern fans who enjoy laughing at the German NT failing.

I don't really feel like laughing at England at this wc though. They played some great football and the match against France was very enjoyable as a neutral.
It also helped that English fans have been back to their usual self instead of the odd insufferable cnut version at the last euros.
If England had beaten France they would have taken the WC and it would have been well deserved.
This English squad is truly special
 
I will try not to go off the rails! I actually love Utd too. They are my second team hence why I’m on this forum. I respect your love for Utd. I was probably a little drunk last night and hurting over the loss.


Typical drunk Brit.

You should try to be more sober and serious like us Paddies.
 
Funny you say that because Beckham was hated by the whole of England. So why should any non English manutd fan support England?

Complete bollocks, If you will excuse my language.

Sun readers, Talksport listeners or other similar knuckle draggers may have hated him for a few months but that's about it.
 
Typical drunk Brit.

You should try to be more sober and serious like us Paddies.
Haha I love the paddies abroad. It’s funny how we become close when faced with those Johnny foreigners in the breakfast queue! Sorry that was typically English.
 
Why can't you take it as well as you dish it? I mean I'm portuguese and our National team is practically universally hated, specially now with the Ronaldo issue and we don't lose our shite because of it. We lose our shit because of our own ineptitude and mentality on crucial stages.

Also get tiresome the talk why do you hate England (national team more precisely) and support an English team and write their respective forum? Newsflash, it's only with the English posters this happens.

At Sporting's forum we have Brazilians, Angolan, Mozambiquen, Guinean that actively root against Portugal and no one gives a shit bar the occasional nationalistic nostalgic twat.


Get over it.

Disclaimer: I don't hate England and was actively rooting for the team as noticed yesterday.
 
England won't win anything until there's an elite manager to go with the players.

It's telling no English manager even won the PL or CL. Need that experience to win at international level.

Southgate is assistant manager level...
 
Outclassed by the first very strong team they faced. Good for tournament that superior side in semi final
 
Funny you say that because Beckham was hated by the whole of England. So why should any non English manutd fan support England?
What are you on about? Firstly, not all of England hated Beckham. Secondly, I said that anyone that actively hates a player has rather a narrow life and I feel sorry for them. What about this is relevant to 'why should any non English 'manutd' fan support England'?
 
England won't win anything until there's an elite manager to go with the players.

It's telling no English manager even won the PL or CL. Need that experience to win at international level.

Southgate is assistant manager level...
Who do you call an elite manager or are you desperate to get rid of yours.
 
Haha I love the paddies abroad. It’s funny how we become close when faced with those Johnny foreigners in the breakfast queue! Sorry that was typically English.

That's the thing with all of this, there is no real ill feeling on a human level. I have really good English friends who really struggled at first with the open support by us for anyone playing England. Even if eventually they don't fully understated they do get that it has literally nothing to do with interpersonal relationships. A lad from Rochdale moved over here and he was baffled by our open and cheery anti England team stance. He thought we were winding him up for years.
 
I think if you actively hate any footballer, regardless of who they play for, you have a narrow view of life and I feel sorry for you.
It’s called passion. You hate the footballer( usually because of the team) not the actual person. I have an hatred for Harry Kane but if he joined Utd I would probably love him. Loving a person you don’t know is a bit weird too. Football brings out weird emotions. Doesn’t mean you are some sort of sociopath so get off your moral high ground
 
I think this guy at 3:28 (and continues after the fit bird) sums up supporting England as an English fan. Just replace "Dutch" with English

 
Why do you guys hate Portugal when portuguese players and coaches have been integral part in some of the most successful periods of United's history?

I take exception to that.

Sporting should be the second team you like the most as well (sorry for Rojo)
 
That's the thing with all of this, there is no real ill feeling on a human level. I have really good English friends who really struggled at first with the open support by us for anyone playing England. Even if eventually they don't fully understated they do get that it has literally nothing to do with interpersonal relationships. A lad from Rochdale moved over here and he was baffled by our open and cheery anti England team stance. He thought we were winding him up for years.
It’s like my brother. I will always put him down and punch him even though we are both in our 40s but I still have his back when needed and love the asshole.
 
Why do you guys hate Portugal when portuguese players and coaches have been integral part in some of the most successful periods of United's history?

I take exception to that.

Sporting should be the second team you like the most as well (sorry for Rojo)
I don't think Portugal are deeply-rooted in United's history as Britain and Ireland. Wasn't Ronaldo the first Portuguese player at the club?
 
Who do you call an elite manager or are you desperate to get rid of yours.

Look at trophies, who has won the PL and CL. Secondarily, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga, Ligue 1.

Those are the elite level trophies at club level.

No one English... and personally think England should have an English manager.

We've developed elite players but don't have the manager to go with.
 
This is the issue. It shouldn't be restricted only to overseas fans. Englishmen/women or those who are natives of England, should not be forced to support the English national team, just because they happen to be fans of United.
No one is obligated to support or follow anything.
 
Too obvious. Try again ;)

They were though. Always felt as if France had another gear to go into when they were needed and bar two penalties it's hard to think of a very good England chance. France never looked remotely ruffled other than hernandez moment of madness
 
Why do you guys hate Portugal when portuguese players and coaches have been integral part in some of the most successful periods of United's history?

I take exception to that.

Sporting should be the second team you like the most as well (sorry for Rojo)
I don't hate Portugal, I don't like Ronaldo. You are a rival that is what it comes down to.
 
Yes it happens to England a lot though. Penalties and England have a common theme. But I am really happy England is out.

Not sure I can find the passion for Utd right now,still absolutely broken and wondering what the heck went wrong.
 
I wouldn't support a club and then put shite on the national team of where the club is based but that is just me.
If you are are talking about Portugal fans abusing other players at other clubs then that is club rivalry in the way we shite on Pool and Citeh and that always happens.
I see you can’t answer why not liking the England football team makes you less of a United fan. Maybe you should just admit it doesn’t.

Yeah, burning effigies is definitely routine behaviour.
 
I don't think Portugal are deeply-rooted in United's history as Britain and Ireland. Wasn't Ronaldo the first Portuguese player at the club?
I was not being serious.

I think so. In my opinion Nani was the best portuguese player in United's history. Love Nani.
 
That's the thing with all of this, there is no real ill feeling on a human level. I have really good English friends who really struggled at first with the open support by us for anyone playing England. Even if eventually they don't fully understated they do get that it has literally nothing to do with interpersonal relationships. A lad from Rochdale moved over here and he was baffled by our open and cheery anti England team stance. He thought we were winding him up for years.
Exactly this. I work remotely for an English based company. I’m the only Scot. The banter between us during the WC has been great. They know I want the England team to lose and they have been giving it to me tight when they won. It will be my turn tomorrow. We won’t suddenly all hate each other.