I said United have always sought British talent. Those players and managers always relied on a strong English and British core.
This is the issue. It shouldn't be restricted only to overseas fans. Englishmen/women or those who are natives of England, should not be forced to support the English national team, just because they happen to be fans of United.I said it's completely fair enough as an overseas fan to not support the country of the club you follow
Funny you say that because Beckham was hated by the whole of England. So why should any non English manutd fan support England?I think if you actively hate any footballer, regardless of who they play for, you have a narrow view of life and I feel sorry for you.
United are also one of the most loved teams in the UK. People dislike United because they were successful and there are just as many who dislike Liverpool.How did you feel when Beckham got absolutely crucified by the same entity and it’s people? And after that Rooney and many more united players. This club is hated by far the most in the whole of England fans media and pundits alike. Why the hell all non English fans should care about england football team when it’s filled with 90% rival clubs players? We have no reason to like England. You lot can look past club rivalries for a month because it’s your nation after all but we are under no such obligation to look past those things. Seeing the likes of Henderson, Pickford and many more lifting the World Cup is the last thing non English fans want to see. Not to mention the English fans who might be biggest reason of not feeling anything for your football team.
I will try not to go off the rails! I actually love Utd too. They are my second team hence why I’m on this forum. I respect your love for Utd. I was probably a little drunk last night and hurting over the loss.Why should I? I am not English and I have no reason to support England football team. I never have. I am a Manchester United supporter. I have been for over 50 years. Maybe being a Bristol supporter you may not understand that it's also the world wide support of United that made what it's today. Before you go off the rails I have beto OT many a time. And do you think only the English should support a football club in England?
OMG this might be the worst yet.We are separate but we're very much based on a Mancunian and by extension English identity. Manchester and the surrounding area is not one that tries to separate itself from Englishness or Britishness like Barcelona and Spain.
You don't have to care for England but its weird to take pleasure in England losing especially when involves many of our players. Moreover we need to acknowledge that United exists as a British entity in England, its not independent even if it represents something that is more international.
I actually think there's a lot of logic behind tribalismm but no inevitable necessity, especially for more educated people
This is my point, United have always formed a strong part of the best English sides and United have sought British and English talent.
I'd argue United has been important to the development of the English national team as Bayern Munich with Germany.
There are some cases where the relationship between the national side can be murky such Barcelona and Spain but that's not the case with United.
I will try not to go off the rails! I actually love Utd too. They are my second team hence why I’m on this forum. I respect your love for Utd. I was probably a little drunk last night and hurting over the loss.
Funny you say that because Beckham was hated by the whole of England. So why should any non English manutd fan support England?
Haha I love the paddies abroad. It’s funny how we become close when faced with those Johnny foreigners in the breakfast queue! Sorry that was typically English.Typical drunk Brit.
You should try to be more sober and serious like us Paddies.
What are you on about? Firstly, not all of England hated Beckham. Secondly, I said that anyone that actively hates a player has rather a narrow life and I feel sorry for them. What about this is relevant to 'why should any non English 'manutd' fan support England'?Funny you say that because Beckham was hated by the whole of England. So why should any non English manutd fan support England?
Who do you call an elite manager or are you desperate to get rid of yours.England won't win anything until there's an elite manager to go with the players.
It's telling no English manager even won the PL or CL. Need that experience to win at international level.
Southgate is assistant manager level...
Too obvious. Try againOutclassed by the first very strong team they faced. Good for tournament that superior side in semi final
Haha I love the paddies abroad. It’s funny how we become close when faced with those Johnny foreigners in the breakfast queue! Sorry that was typically English.
It’s called passion. You hate the footballer( usually because of the team) not the actual person. I have an hatred for Harry Kane but if he joined Utd I would probably love him. Loving a person you don’t know is a bit weird too. Football brings out weird emotions. Doesn’t mean you are some sort of sociopath so get off your moral high groundI think if you actively hate any footballer, regardless of who they play for, you have a narrow view of life and I feel sorry for you.
It’s like my brother. I will always put him down and punch him even though we are both in our 40s but I still have his back when needed and love the asshole.That's the thing with all of this, there is no real ill feeling on a human level. I have really good English friends who really struggled at first with the open support by us for anyone playing England. Even if eventually they don't fully understated they do get that it has literally nothing to do with interpersonal relationships. A lad from Rochdale moved over here and he was baffled by our open and cheery anti England team stance. He thought we were winding him up for years.
Why do you guys hate Portugal when portuguese players and coaches have been integral part in some of the most successful periods of United's history?
Good morning to all non England fans. What a great morning it is
I don't think Portugal are deeply-rooted in United's history as Britain and Ireland. Wasn't Ronaldo the first Portuguese player at the club?Why do you guys hate Portugal when portuguese players and coaches have been integral part in some of the most successful periods of United's history?
I take exception to that.
Sporting should be the second team you like the most as well (sorry for Rojo)
Who do you call an elite manager or are you desperate to get rid of yours.
No one is obligated to support or follow anything.This is the issue. It shouldn't be restricted only to overseas fans. Englishmen/women or those who are natives of England, should not be forced to support the English national team, just because they happen to be fans of United.
OMG don't be ridiculous.OMG this might be the worst yet.
I think you have a national front meeting calling you.
Too obvious. Try again
I don't hate Portugal, I don't like Ronaldo. You are a rival that is what it comes down to.Why do you guys hate Portugal when portuguese players and coaches have been integral part in some of the most successful periods of United's history?
I take exception to that.
Sporting should be the second team you like the most as well (sorry for Rojo)
Yes it happens to England a lot though. Penalties and England have a common theme. But I am really happy England is out.
I see you can’t answer why not liking the England football team makes you less of a United fan. Maybe you should just admit it doesn’t.I wouldn't support a club and then put shite on the national team of where the club is based but that is just me.
If you are are talking about Portugal fans abusing other players at other clubs then that is club rivalry in the way we shite on Pool and Citeh and that always happens.
I was not being serious.I don't think Portugal are deeply-rooted in United's history as Britain and Ireland. Wasn't Ronaldo the first Portuguese player at the club?
Exactly this. I work remotely for an English based company. I’m the only Scot. The banter between us during the WC has been great. They know I want the England team to lose and they have been giving it to me tight when they won. It will be my turn tomorrow. We won’t suddenly all hate each other.That's the thing with all of this, there is no real ill feeling on a human level. I have really good English friends who really struggled at first with the open support by us for anyone playing England. Even if eventually they don't fully understated they do get that it has literally nothing to do with interpersonal relationships. A lad from Rochdale moved over here and he was baffled by our open and cheery anti England team stance. He thought we were winding him up for years.
I was just messing.I don't hate Portugal, I don't like Ronaldo. You are a rival that is what it comes down to.