Hysterical laughs. He is hurting.
Hysterical ? On a serious note you have tagged me loads since last night and keep trying to have a poke. If you’ve an issue just drop me a PM. Save skirting about it!
Let's all laugh at England
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Hysterical ? On a serious note you have tagged me loads since last night and keep trying to have a poke. If you’ve an issue just drop me a PM. Save skirting about it!
it was late on a day with 3 football matches. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.Why should I? I am not English and I have no reason to support England football team. I never have. I am a Manchester United supporter. I have been for over 50 years. Maybe being a Bristol supporter you may not understand that it's also the world wide support of United that made what it's today. Before you go off the rails I have been to OT many a time. And do you think only the English should support a football club in England?
I'm just teasing you. If I had an issue with you, I wouldn't interact with you.
Fair enough. I wasn’t sure but all good
Well then you must know loads of Manchester United supporting fans from Manchester who have no time for the England team. So why do you find it strange that United fans who aren’t English would feel the same?
Club football fan culture and international fan culture has always been very different. It’s completely normal for football fans who care passionately about a club to have no interest in the national team (and vice versa). This is particularly common with United and England, after United players have been so often scapegoated by England fans and media.
Man United is an entity where key staff are mostly not English. Owned by non English people.
Trying to connect the England team to United supporting is just an agenda at this point.
Two separate things. People are allowed to follow United and also be happy England lost.
Trying to connect the England team to United supporting is just an agenda at this point.
Two separate things. People are allowed to follow United and also be happy England lost.
Again those are made by, I would assume, same posters?
Nah, we support Manchester United. The club has nothing to do with the national team.
I agree with you. If it was English fans I would understand. But why should non English fans support the English national football team? Our most important manager refused to manage England. Denis Law said he was mortified when England won the WC. It has to be accepted that Manchester United and the England football team are very two different entities.
I actually don't mind this England team, and thought that they were obviously victim to some atrocious refereeing, but at the same time, they hardly created a plethora of chances. Kane has gone very slow, and moves around the pitch too much for how slow he is.
Calling a fan of their own national team a nationalist is a bit harsh considering the history of that term. Is that reserved for just England fans or are all fans of their home team nationalists?
Don't see a lot of hatred just a bit of winding up and it seems to be working.
United have over 600million fans all over the world and they're not all going to support England.
This is disingenuous, United have always relied on great English talent and United's best teams have been made up of English and local players. In a way the two go hand in hand.
You don't have to support England but we have to acknowledge that the English national team and to some extent other British nations are at the core of United.
didn't know about that one - is it true? Why though?
I don't like this kind of sentiment either but I will try to explain very briefly - not justify - from my perspective:
England, generally speaking, got away with all the historical atrocities they've committed quite well. Talking about bad guys, England won't come to mind that fast, although being one of the most influental forces of the last millennium, which usually means a big spotlight, but it doesn't in England's case. Brexit and the english/british exceptionalism in the recent years definitely lead to many people feeling insulted, this had a very personal note to the most of us. Nowadays, this former "soft" outlook on England's history shifted, since the spotlight shined very bright throughout Brexit and most Europeans are looking much deeper into their neighbor's history and since this [Brexit] felt for many like a good friend showing us the finger, it has become particularly easy to dislike England and feel some good old Schadenfreude anytime they screw up. So all things considered, I don't think talking about Brexit in this context is unsensible - on the contrary - it had a big influence on the attitude towards England/GB of almost everyone I know.
Also, you seem very fragile.
Don't see a lot of hatred just a bit of winding up and it seems to be working.
United have over 600million fans all over the world and they're not all going to support England.
I think you keep confusing support and hate.
What is disingenuous is to force a link that exists nowhere. We all separate international and club Football but somehow when England loses, we have to care for England. Stop talking nonsense.
Maybe, but even at that, this was never going to be the same as the others.
I didn't get the laugh at Spain thread either, It's a weird phenomenon.
You said 'deep-rooted hatred' - don't see much is this thread.
Tbh the fragile thing gets kind of boring.
Just feels like an attempt to close people down for putting forward an opinion you don’t like.
Appreciate the explanation on the rest though even if I don’t particularly agree with it or think it provides any justification. Obviously from my view.
Of course not. They are employees. Nothing to do with supporting a local team.
So you were perfectly fine when we sold japp stam .?
This is exactly my reason for not wanting England to do well. The players seem like a good bunch of lads but their fans are unbearable. You just have to look at the matchday comments to get a flavour of the toxicity. They were frothing at the gash at every refereeing decision claiming corruption, bent refs etc. When in actual fact, the decisions were marginal at best.The only reason the majority are anti England are because of the whiny fans who dish it out but can't take it.
This thread is a perfect example.
Whining about mbappe who celebrated the penalty miss because he is unprofessional
Having fun in other"let's laugh" threads but whining when a thread for England turns up.
Cry more, it's coming home, your shitty team is coming home.
To be clear, I like England, I like the English people. I love united. But I do not like the England football team and the majority of it's whining fans. Feck off .
The international equivalent of small time City fans just before City became good.
what's true is that there might be some kind of [justfifiable] inconsequence in that regard (in the grand scheme "hating"/strongly disliking England (and it's national team) and supporting an english club)
Ergo supporting an English club had nothing to do with supporting a national team.
Which is a personal thing and not something that is codified or expected. Here we have people trying to codify something that isn't and has never been.
Edit: How many United fans started supporting the club for players like Cantona? Do these people have to support France or England as well as United? How many people were fans of Law, Best, Giggs, Van Nistelrooy?
I don't believe that there is any place for hatred but there is definitely no argument to build around supporting a club means that you need to support the national team of the country of that club.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/england-germany-crying-girl-wembley-b1875515.html
it's not a big surprise to be honest, people remember
also: what a fecking great day
agreed
Did you just try your luck at your first serious post? Or did you forget to switch accounts?
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I wonder why hate Liverpool or city or Chelsea or any rival players then. Absolute moronic post.You can support who you want but it’s still a bit strange the level of hatred. I could understand an ambivalent dislike but the absolute hatred displayed for a country that a team you support is from seems far fetched for me. I couldn’t support Real Madrid if I despised Spain.
In all honesty, the hate towards England very often stems from own fragility. We all wanted to like you guys, then you brexited us. We're still salty and slowly have to accept we weren't friends after all.
Re the bit bold - I've met a fair few United and City fans who aren't fussed about the national team but honestly it's a myth that United fans from Manchester don't support England. There is definitely a lot of scouse liverpool fans who do support whoever England play and there is a faction of Mancunian united fans who don't care about the English national team and prove it by singing Argentina but I can guarantee you that we are talking about a few hundred or at a push a thousand match going fans. I was out last night for the match and both united and City fans were all there getting along supporting England. Its abit surreal actually supporting the same team as my City fan mates.
In no way am I asking for non English fans to support the English national team. That would be outrageous. What I would like to ask is to the fans who rejoice in England losing, is there not a massive conflict of interest?
I'm just trying to put myself in others shoes and imagining supporting a club that was established and operates in a country that I despise.
Ahh, it happens every time. England get beat and people hit out with the old “how can you support Utd if you hate England” line. We don’t hate England we just like having a joke at their expense. The same way you all joke about “it’s coming home” well we can all laugh when it inevitably doesn’t. I seriously doubt anyone on here has a genuine hatred for England.
I dont hate anyone
I'm the most chilled guy you could meet. If you hate people that you've never met then I wish you all the best.Oh I don't know about that!
As you say, is just a bit of fun for most but there's absolutely few hateful nutjobs.
This is complete tosh. Supporting Utd is nothing to do with liking England for a non English person.
Most of us do want Utd players who play for England to do well but that is a far cry from wanting England to win.
The reason for the dislike from the home nations is mostly down to the media. For the majority it’s not political. I’ve never voted SNP in my life.
We watch and listen to pundits basically acting like bullies when they talk about us so it’s human nature that when a bigger bully comes along and gives you a good spanking we delight in your anguish. England fans need to realise its not all about them
Don't see much hatred. Some teasing. Club football and international football are completely separate. United have more Brazilian players at the WC than England players.
No because the interests aren't linked and in fact, more oftent than not England national team is a competitor against our own country. So it makes perfect sense to rejoice a little bit.
Also people are just having a laugh, the reality of the matter is that when it comes to International Football England have largely been an also-ran, when you eventually win it will be a nice story more than anything else. Now if England wins the Rugby World cup next year, a good chunk of the caf will be wound up.
Percentage wise, how many posters are actually from England? Is it the majority?
Imagine someone came on the forum and started chastising all the English United fans who laugh at Liverpool getting knocked out of the CL, saying:
"How can you hate Liverpool when that club and region is part of your own country? Liverpool players have always made up a core part of the national side, who you claim to support, yet you're happy to see those same players suffer when they play for their clubs? It's so strange you claim to be an England fan but then rejoice at an English club losing against a team from another country. Is there not a massive conflict of interest when you then switch to supporting them again for England?"
That same basic lack of understanding of how the dynamics of being a football supporter work are what I see when people can't comprehend non-English United fans laughing at England being knocked out of a tournament.