That explains a lotI'm just teasing you. If I had an issue with you, I wouldn't interact with you.
Let's all laugh at England
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There's no logic to this sort of tribalism. In the 80s I wished nothing but defeat on the Irish lads playing for Liverpool.
Yep, while I'm not laughing I am relieved.
So you support an English football club then.
I'm not seeing any sort of collective meltdown from English fans and media this time around, to be honest. Most seem relatively at peace in the main, as opposed to the failed shootout against Italy. Losing to France is hardly the end of the world. People that hate England/enjoy England losing (the latter is fine, the former is odd and those people should take a step back re-evaluate - bringing up imperialism or Brexit is rather revealing and not 'banter') are reaching with this one and know it.
I actually think there's a lot of logic behind tribalismm but no inevitable necessity, especially for more educated people
No I support Manchester United. I have never felt the need nor desire to ask for the club's passport.
We are separate but we're very much based on a Mancunian and by extension English identity. Manchester and the surrounding area is not one that tries to separate itself from Englishness or Britishness like Barcelona and Spain.
You don't have to care for England but its weird to take pleasure in England losing especially when involves many of our players. Moreover we need to acknowledge that United exists as a British entity in England, its not independent even if it represents something that is more international.
To be fair i feel kinda... Bad... They're due something... And to be fair to them they're less of a nuisance these past decades..
What special extra steps are taken in rejoicing England loss? This thread was created to laugh at England just like others “let’s laugh at” threads for other nations who were eliminated. But no, nobody can laugh and banter england because if you support an English club especially manutd then it means the same apparently.
So you support an English football club.
Did you consider that England was a competitor against a national team that I support? And that this applies to most people?
How is this so hard to understand for some. Or are they just lashing out because they are being teased?
Also, you can't separate a club from the country in which it exists. That just doesn't make any sense. I understand people that support overseas clubs might not like or support that country (that's completely fair enough) but that doesn't change the fact that the locality of the club is essential to it's identity.
Correct, and doesn’t support the English NT. Like a vast amount of us.
Delighted.
So it you supported United you think it’s essential to support England?
Who do you think taught us to hate England NT? I supported England as a kid. Until i was taught united first, feck England
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You just don’t get it. We don’t hate England or English people . We hate the England football team. They are our rivals. This is where you come back that Scotland aren’t even good enough to be considered rivals but that just makes my point.
When team GB go to the olympics I support every one of them.
In your grief you need to separate fiction from reality. I’m sure there are people in Scotland who hate England as a country but that’s politics and nothing to do with football. This is purely us laughing at the England team failing again the same way I laughed at Liverpool losing in the CL final
Relief is probably a bigger factor in football banter than schadenfreude if we're being honest also.
This is my point, United have always formed a strong part of the best English sides and United have sought British and English talent.
I'd argue United has been important to the development of the English national team as Bayern Munich with Germany.
There are some cases where the relationship between the national side can be murky such Barcelona and Spain but that's not the case with United.
You gotta genuinely worry about the mental health of some in here.
I do. And I don't care for the England national team, positively or negatively. In fact if England wins, I'll be more happy for english fans, than I will care about the team winning. And as you know english fans don't represent every english people, a fair amount probably don't care one bit about Football.
Why not?
I have no idea who taught you to hate a country. Especially the country you are from. Maybe you hate a certain section of the country which is fair enough. I don’t like everyone from England but I can still get behind this team. EDIT. Maybe you aren’t from England I just presumed there when you said you supported England as a kid.
Ey? Did you the miss part where I said it's completely fair enough as an overseas fan to not support the country of the club you follow? There's been a few posts in here trying to disassociate United from England on bizarrely shaky ground such as key staff at United not being English. There's clearly a degree of cognitive dissonance at play there.
It is owned by Americans, so technically the club is not even English.
That means every English man united fan should technically support US NT by this dumb logic.
That means every English man united fan should technically support US NT by this dumb logic.
I think if you actively hate any footballer, regardless of who they play for, you have a narrow view of life and I feel sorry for you.
George Best, Denis Law, Sir Matt and Sir Alex and all the others say "Hi!"
This logic is definitely not as watertight as you seem to believe it is...
This is not a good arguement. It's not like there entire staff, players, manager or even the owners are English.
Should United fans support Liverpool in UCL if United go out?
I was thinking about the game and to be fair, there's nothing to laugh at. I'm relieved England didn't win but they can leave with heads held high.
They played a great game against the favourites and current world champions as well as against the referee who was appalling.
It was a good showing overall.
That is not how ownership works.
I said United have always sought British talent. Those players and managers always relied on a strong English and British core.
What a ridiculous point!
Fair enough.
How did you feel when Beckham got absolutely crucified by the same entity and it’s people? And after that Rooney and many more united players. This club is hated by far the most in the whole of England fans media and pundits alike. Why the hell all non English fans should care about england football team when it’s filled with 90% rival clubs players? We have no reason to like England. You lot can look past club rivalries for a month because it’s your nation after all but we are under no such obligation to look past those things. Seeing the likes of Henderson, Pickford and many more lifting the World Cup is the last thing non English fans want to see. Not to mention the English fans who might be biggest reason of not feeling anything for your football team.