What a sad reply. Continue embarrassing yourself.
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It doesn’t really. There have always been foreign players and staff contributing so why such an attitude?
many United fans, English included couldn’t give 2 flying fecks about international football. Club > wife > country or something like that
people are only having a short term laugh till club football comes back. It’s absolutely nothing that hasn’t been done by English fans to other countries over the years. So, real what you sow. Etc
It happened again
It happened agaaain
This time at Wembley
It happened again
It happened agaaain
This time at Wembley
It happened again
Ah yes, glad to see the fascist elements of Italian fans celebrating their win on the other hand.
There are some nationalists in England this is true. There are probably some of them who sing the song and take it to mean "football is coming home because England are better than everyone else and we own it! Best country in the world mate."
That is not the majority of the country or even close.
There are also some nationalists in Italy too and Spain, Germany, France, Portugal, Scotland, Ireland, Argentina, Brazil, Wales ect. ect.
Does anyone actually think that? It’s just interesting that one of the main points is England fans don’t respect other fans or something, yet you’re on a largely English forum giving it hell about themAll that self-depreciating nonsense and satire while crying for the foreign United suporters to feck off because they don't root for England.
Maybe THAT'S the English humour we don't understand.
Surely you can see some kind of irony here?It’s amazing how the media have blanked the absolute appalling behaviour of the English fans yesterday. I guess it wouldn’t look good when you’re trying to host a World Cup .
Here I was thinking someone mentioned that it was about supporting the team, win or lose, a bit of "we go again" humor. Fair enough.
But then we'll have to ignore the wankers among the England fans that sing it as a victory roar for the shock to be legitimate in my view, which I cannot do.
If you ask yourself why people dislike the use of the song, you'll find it for sure.
That said, I need to add something else.
I've never had bad experiences when I've been in England, or whenever my family were on vacations and ended up talking and playing with English families growing up. English people largely seem awesome. The team itself is extremely likeable and good, I'm sure you'll do great in the future.
My personal reason for being happy that England lost is all down to those small, loud sections of the fanbase and media. Those are the ones that get to represent England because they are the ones we get shoved in our faces on our own media and social media. The less vulgar ones that are just celebrating their own country doing well in a normal manner are largely ignored.
It's incredible how many can't see this. I'm English and don't get me wrong I like to see the team do well but I'm honestly not that arsed about England. I grew up seeing a Beckham effigy on the news and reading about the abuse Phil Neville received and how England fans used to sing anti United songs at games. I know quite a few reds (Mancunian too before @FriendlyFox jumps on this post) that don't give two shits about England.
real sense of they can dish it out but cannot take it from the English supporters on here
Giving out hell. Jesus..Does anyone actually think that? It’s just interesting that one of the main points is England fans don’t respect other fans or something, yet you’re on a largely English forum giving it hell about them
Read the threads before you start crying mate.
There has been a few just in this thread, yes.Does anyone actually think that? It’s just interesting that one of the main points is England fans don’t respect other fans or something, yet you’re on a largely English forum giving it hell about them
But they are being made fun of by both foreigners and other English folks, so it's all good.
People need to be able to take a ribbing, even about their country. You don’t think the players will wind each other up when they get back? It’s a short term thing until club football takes over.
Get over it lads
I already answered that in another posts. I can despise fascists of many nationalities simultaneously, it's just in the nature of football that some sadly get to celebrate in any case.
I guess what made write the original post is the amount of black players in the English national team who would have been celebrated by the gutter press and its readership if they had 'brought it home', but now that they did not it's just all too obvious how this lot really think.
You seem to be very good at "switching allegiances"
Manchester City have a good team at the moment. Why not "switch allegiances" to them?
I obviously switched to Canada because they have a good team
I never supported the US' team to begin with. So I only switched once from Mexico to Canada, after the former showed themselves to be homophobics cnuts.
Let's say you grew up a Lazio fan, or a Chinese NT fan, you'd still support them?
Please educate yourself, both on football in the Americas and current affairs.
I don't get this post. Are you looking through my post history and saying I'm not a Utd fan because Zlatan is one of my favorite Utd players? Please explain if you're accusing me of not being a loyal Utd fan.
Utd fans getting booed while on international duty is another one. We literally chanted Argentina for a time or how Ronaldo made England look shite.
Its weird how this has to be explained on a Utd forum.
I've read them mate. You guys are the only ones genuinely crying
It always bugs me when people only listen to the chorus of a song and don't listen to the verses. It's like only hearing the punchline of a joke without hearing the set up.
Mate, everyone gets that the song's original meaning is ironic. Unlike what Southgate and a lot of people on this board seems to believe irony isn't part of English exceptionalism, other countries have it as well. It's just that no one buys it. People sing it's coming home after winning, while the media display the usual arrogance, but then when it inevitably backfires, it's just the special unique irony of English people (the most self deprecating people in the entire world, no one ever actually believed in a win, etc) that the entire rest of the world doesn't get, because they aren't as sophisticated as the people we have seen booing anthems and smashing up their own Cities and people.
Not sure what’s the most bizarre in here - the Leicester fan on an Irish United forum telling United fans to feck off and support a club back in their own country, some of the most negative people on here bemoaning the toxicity of the fanbase for not supporting England or the weird interlude into Thatcher’s death
Loads of England fans are wankers, hooligans and nationalists. Don't ignore them, roundly criticism them and hope that in the future they will die out (not the wankers, there will always be wankers).
No I honestly have no idea why anyone cares so much about a song written by comedians with lyrics about us losing and being shit for 30 years. If the answer is because it has been hijacked by a section of dickheads then fair enough I guess.
People don't speak tons of languages. I wouldn't know what the italians, polish, germans etc sing unless I was told.
The use of it when you win comes across as arrogant, the way it is defended comes across as hypocritical.
That's it.
People brought up how the italians were racist too, to a point by point list of reasons someone disliked England, as if that invalidated their reason to dislike England. That's just a terrible defense.
Main stories on the BBC News page today:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57800431
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57803366
No media attention though.
Please direct me to a single post where an England fan claimed the trophy was theirs by right.
Just one, that's all I'm asking
Not sure what’s the most bizarre in here - the Leicester fan on an Irish United forum telling United fans to feck off and support a club back in their own country, some of the most negative people on here bemoaning the toxicity of the fanbase for not supporting England or the weird interlude into Thatcher’s death
England did well this tournament all the way to the final.
Lets not kick someone who is laying down.
Lets not kick someone who is laying down.
Nobody hates the country. I wouldn't have minded England winning the whole thing before the tournament. The way English media, fans and repsentatives conducted themselves lead to the antipathy.
So in a nutshell, you hate on the English because they sing a song.
You seem to be very good at "switching allegiances"
Manchester City have a good team at the moment. Why not "switch allegiances" to them?
I mean he switched because of the homophobic stuff, that’s a pretty good reason to be fair. If he switched to Spain or someone I’d get your point but Canada?
Very much the case. Scotland and Wales were flooded with derogatory comments about their performances, yet the masters of “self deprecation and satire” are purposefully coming into a thread designed to mock England losing, to get offended
English posters insulting other countries
English posters being told it’s not coming home
We sure are crying. Sure.
To be fair I think this is referencing one of my posts.
I pointed out that Italian's are notorious for having huge amounts of racist fans. I did so because someone said they were really pleased Italy won last night because of the racist English fans and I was pointing out that this is a weird sentiment, not saying that you should not dislike England. I don't think you should dislike any country for that tbf, dislike the racists in Italy and England in equal measure but just those people.
Nobody cares about the cringe-inducing English media, least of all England fans.
Are the top reds still around telling people who are real and fake fans?
You claim to understand irony, and then your post devolves into a rant about how awful English people are.
Yes we have some crappy fans and hooligans, although that also isn't part of English exceptionalism. However it's irrelevant to this discussion. I'm not defending that behaviour, but I'm explaining that still today the "Football's coming home" is about hopes and dreams, not expectation or arrogance. You don't have to buy that, which is fine, but that doesn't make it less true, just that you don't understand (and have a preconceived bias against) the people singing it.
I mean they do, we are probably the second or third most hated country on the planet.
Historically for good reason, not for a song written by crap comedians in the 90s.
I mean, the irony of foreign fans saying this when literally every country in the world gets overly excited (and rightfully so) when their sports stars do well. Do you also think the streets of Paris were calm when France reached the world cup final?
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/07/16/...aris-celebrations-clashes-intl-spt/index.html
But I guess that is justifiable because they are French.
The only reason why you think it is "just English fans" is because you visit a website (redcafe) where English news is most prominent and are therefore exposed to all the good and all the ugly. If you were to visit a website with a user base largely from another country, the news would be skewed similarly. The best example of that is reddit, where the news is primarily skewed towards America.
One thing about the Scottish you have to admire is that they hate the English and they support Scottish football clubs.
Come to think of it I've never met a Scottish united fan. how have I only just realised this.
Come to think of it I've never met a Scottish united fan.
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