Let's all laugh at England

[OverratedOpinion]

No one cares what it actually means, because England aren't singing it after losses or sing the other stuff outside of "it's coming home" which the media plaster on their front pages as soon as England is doing well in the knockout rounds.
It isn't self-deprecation when it's written & sung in celebration.

I think you are wrong on that one.

Most people singing it are doing so with a comical amount of "can you believe we aren't so shit anymore?!" shock behind it. The lyrics literally say we will throw it away, it is mostly just people leaning into a meme and trying to enjoy their summer.

It is all a bit Mike Bassett.

 

[Zlatans Knee]

Haha

Millwall….insignificant, rarely seen in the top flight, London club full of prick fans

Lazio….one of the major Italian clubs (and they’re not the only ones-if you were older than 10 you would remember what happened when we played Roma in the 00s)

Read back what you just wrote you absolute bellend.


Haha

Millwall….insignificant, rarely seen in the top flight, London club full of prick fans

Lazio….one of the major Italian clubs (and they’re not the only ones-if you were older than 10 you would remember what happened when we played Roma in the 00s)

Read back what you just wrote

Perhaps you should take your own advice seeing as you unsurprisingly managed to post the same message twice. I didn't realise that we were discounting levels of racism because of a club's size. I must have different values you to you.
Now jog off, I don't enjoy responding to morons.

 

[Zhagzi]

Yeah lets all laugh at England reaching a final, not getting beat on the pitch.

Little country jealous folk, we'll be there again.

The amount of salt in this England won't ever win until they learn to be humble. Which is never gonna happen.

 

[The Hilton]

I fully understand the original meaning of the song. But that's not how it's used [anymore] by a significant and highly visible part of England, for example see the tweets in this post:

It isn't significant, and everyone is highly visible on twitter.

A final at home is gonna get people excited, especially when the team has flattered to deceive for decades. A few videos of bands playing the song and a couple of fans getting overexcited and overconfident isn't evidence of any arrogance unless you want it to be.

Simply put, even in the final it singing the song was about hoping and dreaming, nothing to do with arrogance, and if you think it was then you simply don't understand the song, or the people singing it.

Last night was the best chance England will ever have, and I doubt we'll be getting back to finals any time soon, so you won't have to worry.

Still, for 30 wonderful minutes it actually was coming home, and the country will remember that fondly, and will continue to hope and dream. You'll likely continue to see that as arrogance, but, with respect, that's your preconceived bias talking.

 

[fergies coat]

I guess that’s a yes

You've got poster's actually mocking club legends. This place is a joke.

 

[GhastlyHun]

Yep, thank god those progressive and inclusive Italians saved us all from the racists.

Fair point; my feelings towards Italian racists are no different.

 

[Zlatan 7]

You've got poster's actually mocking club legends. This place is a joke.

Well Rio was getting a bit ahead of himself and talking shit to be honest. Every right to get excited but then fair to be laughed at I suppose.
(If that’s who you mean)

 

[FriendlyFox]

Why? They might move to Burnley because of a job. Is it any different to a person from London supporting United?

Nope. That's also pretty plastic (unless they're from Manchester)..

Choosing a club you have no connection to (I don't buy any of this "oh my great uncle once drove past Manchester" rubbish) because they win lots of trophies is pretty plastic. But at least that's a small level of plastic - maybe like the biodegradable plastic bags.

But choosing a club you have no connection to because they win lots of trophies, even though you hate the country that the club is from? That's like still-killing-fish-in-the-sea-after-3,000-years level of plastic. Why on earth would you choose to support a club in that country* if you hate the country so much? The mind boggles.

 

[Sky1981]

It isn't significant, and everyone is highly visible on twitter.

A final at home is gonna get people excited, especially when the team has flattered to deceive for decades. A few videos of bands playing the song and a couple of fans getting overexcited and overconfident isn't evidence of any arrogance unless you want it to be.

Simply put, even in the final it singing the song was about hoping and dreaming, nothing to do with arrogance, and if you think it was then you simply don't understand the song, or the people singing it.

Last night was the best chance England will ever have, and I doubt we'll be getting back to finals any time soon, so you won't have to worry.

Still, for 30 wonderful minutes it actually was coming home, and the country will remember that fondly, and will continue to hope and dream. You'll likely continue to see that as arrogance, but, with respect, that's your preconceived bias talking.

and just as your "it's coming home" is a satire, so does "it's coming Rome"

You play with fire you get burnt.

It's not like the Italians are getting personal and calling you some nasty name, they're playing along with your banter.

 

[cyberman]

I see all the banters gone from the post Denmark match.
I wonder why?!

 

[VeevaVee]

Cant help but agree with this tbh, even though I’ve spent much of the week defending the banter and cringing at England fans expecting other nations to support us. I’m the first to admit that England as a nation deserve all manner of shit, and that we have a section of terrible fans and banter is part of the game, but there’s way more weird OTT shit in this thread than I’ve seen any “cocky” England fan post over the whole tournament… a lot of genuinely quite nasty stuff from people I thought were sound too.

Eh, let ‘em wear themselves out I guess… at least someone’s enjoying it

Yeah it’s a bit weird. I don’t actually know what’s got their goat so much. Genuinely thinking England fans are arrogant shows they’re bending over backwards to get a narrative to stick. They couldn’t be more out of touch if they actually think that’s true.

Probably the most self-depreciative fans you could find, who happened to think there might be a chance after beating the hardest team en route to the final, who many people tipped as potential winners themselves.

That so many bit the wind up threads that were in response to their weird hate shows how much they wanted it to be true.

Don’t think anyone actually expected others to support England, just maybe not quite the level of animosity directed at everything and anyone involved because Rio said he thinks they can win it.

 

[Dan_F]

No one cares what it actually means, because England aren't singing it after losses or sing the other stuff outside of "it's coming home" which the media plaster on their front pages as soon as England is doing well in the knockout rounds.
It isn't self-deprecation when it's written & sung in celebration.

Wow. England fans in being happier when they win shock. There’s plenty of things to critique England fans for, but singing a song to celebrate doing well in a tournament is weird. Football must be really boring in other countries, as I’m assuming no fans were celebrating or singing songs when they won.

Why is everyone so wound up about the media? No one in England likes them either, and it’s their job to sell newspapers or get clicks. Obviously they are going to capitalise on that any way possible.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Nope. That's also pretty plastic (unless they're from Manchester)..

Choosing a club you have no connection to (I don't buy any of this "oh my great uncle once drove past Manchester" rubbish) because they win lots of trophies is pretty plastic. But at least that's a small level of plastic - maybe like the biodegradable plastic bags.

But choosing a club you have no connection to because they win lots of trophies, even though you hate the country that the club is from? That's like still-killing-fish-in-the-sea-after-3,000-years level of plastic. Why on earth would you choose to support a club in that country* if you hate the country so much? The mind boggles.

What if like me you only supported the club in 1995-1999 and then again in 2008-2011 is that ok to then not like the England national team in the years I don’t support United

 

[cyberman]

Nope. That's also pretty plastic (unless they're from Manchester)..

Choosing a club you have no connection to (I don't buy any of this "oh my great uncle once drove past Manchester" rubbish) because they win lots of trophies is pretty plastic. But at least that's a small level of plastic - maybe like the biodegradable plastic bags.

But choosing a club you have no connection to because they win lots of trophies, even though you hate the country that the club is from? That's like still-killing-fish-in-the-sea-after-3,000-years level of plastic. Why on earth would you choose to support a club in that country* if you hate the country so much? The mind boggles.

Because the EPL have signed Irish etc players from the dawn of time and thats how the support grew. Supoorting Utd isnt a nationalist issue for feck sake.
You arent a Utd supporter, youre on an Irish forum complaining about a lack support for England. Do you not see the irony

 

[Ødegaard]

I think you are wrong on that one.

Most people singing it are doing so with a comical amount of "can you believe we aren't so shit anymore?!" shock behind it. The lyrics literally say we will throw it away, it is mostly just people leaning into a meme and trying to enjoy their summer.

It is all a bit Mike Bassett.

The times we foreigners hear it, it's after a win or when your confidence is at the top.
There is nothing wrong with believing and supporting your team, but the song isn't used solely as the self-deprecating humor so many claim it to be when they act shocked that people react to the song.

 

[Sky1981]

Nope. That's also pretty plastic (unless they're from Manchester)..

Choosing a club you have no connection to (I don't buy any of this "oh my great uncle once drove past Manchester" rubbish) because they win lots of trophies is pretty plastic. But at least that's a small level of plastic - maybe like the biodegradable plastic bags.

But choosing a club you have no connection to because they win lots of trophies, even though you hate the country that the club is from? That's like still-killing-fish-in-the-sea-after-3,000-years level of plastic. Why on earth would you choose to support a club in that country* if you hate the country so much? The mind boggles.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/english-people-who-want-england-to-fail.463921/page-2#post-27470843

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/eng...reble-next-season.463504/page-2#post-27369174

 

[SRV]

Nope. That's also pretty plastic (unless they're from Manchester)..

Choosing a club you have no connection to (I don't buy any of this "oh my great uncle once drove past Manchester" rubbish) because they win lots of trophies is pretty plastic. But at least that's a small level of plastic - maybe like the biodegradable plastic bags.

But choosing a club you have no connection to because they win lots of trophies, even though you hate the country that the club is from? That's like still-killing-fish-in-the-sea-after-3,000-years level of plastic. Why on earth would you choose to support a club in that country* if you hate the country so much? The mind boggles.

You could argue the club is American by now.

 

[do.ob]

It isn't significant, and everyone is highly visible on twitter.

A final at home is gonna get people excited, especially when the team has flattered to deceive for decades. A few videos of bands playing the song and a couple of fans getting overexcited and overconfident isn't evidence of any arrogance unless you want it to be.

Simply put, even in the final it singing the song was about hoping and dreaming, nothing to do with arrogance, and if you think it was then you simply don't understand the song, or the people singing it.

Last night was the best chance England will ever have, and I doubt we'll be getting back to finals any time soon, so you won't have to worry.

Still, for 30 wonderful minutes it actually was coming home, and the country will remember that fondly, and will continue to hope and dream. You'll likely continue to see that as arrogance, but, with respect, that's your preconceived bias talking.

Not a shred of arrogance:


How did Southgate put it:
"You have to know the English to know our humour, our humour is quite unique." So unique, or exceptional really, the foreigners don't get it.

 

[FriendlyFox]

The England fans telling me to feck off and support a different team than Utd exemplify why I wanted Italy to win.

I also don't support my own country (USA). I used to support Mexico, but with the anti-gay shit, I've switched allegiance to glorious Canada.

Maybe once you guys do a mea culpa like the Germans did, give back all the shit you looted, and stop invading other countries, I'll consider supporting the team that has the most United players.

You seem to be very good at "switching allegiances"

Manchester City have a good team at the moment. Why not "switch allegiances" to them?

 

[The Hilton]

and just as your "it's coming home" is a satire, so does "it's coming Rome"

You play with fire you get burnt.

It's not like the Italians are getting personal and calling you some nasty name, they're playing along with your banter.

Yeah but I've never said anything bad about the Italians for it, nor claimed that they don't deserve it due to their arrogance.

We weren't playing with fire, we were hoping and dreaming about one day striking a match. That wait goes on (and probably will for decades).

 

[VeevaVee]

The times we foreigners hear it, it's after a win or when your confidence is at the top.
There is nothing wrong with believing and supporting your team, but the song isn't used solely as the self-deprecating humor so many claim it to be when they act shocked that people react to the song.

grow up. It’s football. Fans sing more when they’re winning, obviously. Calling that arrogant is laughable.

 

[Cman]

A few things.

The whole 'its coming home' was always an ironic song. Until last night though it got pretty serious and rightfully so. We are pretty good in all honesty. If that song did/does actually ruffle your feathers, then you are missing the joke.

I'll concede that england football fans are probably the most cnutish per capita but there are hundreds of thousands of us that are sound. I'm surprised to see people on this forum, who come across as intelligent, have hatred for England as a whole. I mean come on. 50 million people we are talking about.

Poltically and historically there are many good reasons for people to dislike England but I would like to think those who are clued up in that respect would be aware that not everyone thinks the same way.

Also to hate a team of footballers who are just a normal bunch of lads is pretty weird. They just play football.

And finally, Manchester united? the team we all love are English. It must be a massive conflict of interest supporting a team based in England?

When united play we all bicker and disagree for the sake of the team but when the internationals are on this place becomes so divided. Its sad to see.

As it happens I was born in England but I'm of Irish Catholic descent.

Good post mate.

 

[Ødegaard]

Wow. England fans in being happier when they win shock. There’s plenty of things to critique England fans for, but singing a song to celebrate doing well in a tournament is weird. Football must be really boring in other countries, as I’m assuming no fans were celebrating or singing songs when they won.

Why is everyone so wound up about the media? No one in England likes them either, and it’s their job to sell newspapers or get clicks. Obviously they are going to capitalise on that any way possible.

See, this is what I mean.

When the song is called out as annoying others the argument becomes "oh but it is self-deprecating, have you listened to the whole song?!", but when things are going well it's 100% used as a chant.
Now it's absolutely a valid argument that you are allowed to cheer, hell we can agree that these very conflicting ways of using the song can be limited to different sections of the England fanbase and as such there are no hypocrisy, but way too many England supporters are willfully pretending that these dislikeable parts of the England fanbase are even there.

Hell, I've seen people hint that we shouldn't care about the racism shown by the England fans because Italy also has racist fans.

 

[FriendlyFox]

Because the EPL have signed Irish etc players from the dawn of time and thats how the support grew. Supoorting Utd isnt a nationalist issue for feck sake.
You arent a Utd supporter, youre on an Irish forum complaining about a lack support for England. Do you not see the irony

No, not really.

I'm saying how you can you support an English club while hating England so much? It's weird.

 

[Suv666]

Had no clue English football fans were so sensitive. Going into the final it was like one team was playing, Italy were discarded as an afterthought. Not the fault of fans but the media. And then you play shite and lose of course everyone will take the piss out of you no need to be so touchy about it.

 

[Stacks]

Do your worst

 

[Tomuś]

All that self-depreciating nonsense and satire while crying for the foreign United suporters to feck off because they don't root for England.

Maybe THAT'S the English humour we don't understand.

 

[red4ever 79]

Tbh this logic is as stupid and as braindead as the "if you like watching a Hollywood movie you must like the US".

I have been hit with that one a couple of times on here. Beautiful clutching at straws. Ungerlannad.

 

[JTRI]

The irony of a load of Man United fans laughing at the arrogant England fans. Like it or not we have one of the most entitled fanbases in the league, the lack of self awareness in this thread is quite something. The same people gloating now will be shocked and analysing what went wrong when we get dumped out of the CL this season despite the fact we have won nothing of note in almost a decade.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

The times we foreigners hear it, it's after a win or when your confidence is at the top.
There is nothing wrong with believing and supporting your team, but the song isn't used solely as the self-deprecating humor so many claim it to be when they act shocked that people react to the song.

What? It would make no sense to sing it when they lose.

It is a self deprecating song, the feeling of most the country about our football team is that it is usually rubbish and when it seems that it might not be AS rubbish we will do the routine of leaning into the meme of us getting over excited (knowing it will probably end in failure) whilst also getting actually excited as all fans do.

It IS a legitimately shock that people react that way to a song that was literally written by comedians and has lines about how it will all go to shit in it. Either way gives us something to talk about I suppose.

 

[big rons sovereign]

See, this is what I mean.

When the song is called out as annoying others the argument becomes "oh but it is self-deprecating, have you listened to the whole song?!", but when things are going well it's 100% used as a chant.
Now it's absolutely a valid argument that you are allowed to cheer, hell we can agree that these very conflicting ways of using the song can be limited to different sections of the England fanbase and as such there are no hypocrisy, but way too many England supporters are willfully pretending that these dislikeable parts of the England fanbase are even there.

Hell, I've seen people hint that we shouldn't care about the racism shown by the England fans because Italy also has racist fans.

Jesus Christ.
Desperate stuff.

 

[Schneiderman]

You seem to be very good at "switching allegiances"

Manchester City have a good team at the moment. Why not "switch allegiances" to them?

He's switching allegiances left right and centre, Zlatan had a 10 year break from supporting United. They're starting to expose themselves.

 

[shaky]

All that self-depreciating nonsense and satire while crying for the foreign United suporters to feck off because they don't root for England.

Maybe THAT'S the English humour we don't understand.

English clubs are for the English only, apparently. Time to tear down Fergie's statue. I'm sure these are probably the same people who shout abuse at foreigners who have the nerve to talk in their native tongue whilst on English public transport.

 

[Zlatan 7]

What? It would make no sense to sing it when they lose.

It is a self deprecating song, the feeling of most the country about our football team is that it is usually rubbish and when it seems that it might not be AS rubbish we will do the routine of leaning into the meme of us getting over excited (knowing it will probably end in failure) whilst also getting actually excited as all fans do.

It IS a legitimately shock that people react that way to a song that was literally written by comedians and has lines about how it will all go to shit in it. Either way gives us something to talk about I suppose.

You still not being able to distinguish between the actual song and people saying it’s coming home in not a self depreciating way is just as funny.

I don’t care either way but just own it

 

[Zlatan 7]

He's switching allegiances left right and centre, Zlatan had a 10 year break from supporting United. They're starting to expose themselves.

If you mean me, I only support when we’re winning. Isn’t that what we’re meant to do if we’re not from Manchester or England?

 

[The Hilton]

Not a shred of arrogance:


How did Southgate put it:
"You have to know the English to know our humour, our humour is quite unique." So unique, or exceptional really, the foreigners don't get it.

Oh an overconfident pundit? That definitely represents an entire county, and overrides the words of the teams manager. Does it make all United fans arrogant when Rio said the same about us for the Europa league?

You're just picking evidence to fit your biases, and you aren't interested in trying to understand the song or why it's sung. It's just England = bad and that's that. It's understandable, you won't be the first fan to have an irrational hated, and you won't be the last.

Still, you simply don't understand the phrase "It's coming home", nor do you care to. It is, and always will be, wishful thinking.

 

[Withnail]

Nope. That's also pretty plastic (unless they're from Manchester)..

Choosing a club you have no connection to (I don't buy any of this "oh my great uncle once drove past Manchester" rubbish) because they win lots of trophies is pretty plastic. But at least that's a small level of plastic - maybe like the biodegradable plastic bags.

But choosing a club you have no connection to because they win lots of trophies, even though you hate the country that the club is from? That's like still-killing-fish-in-the-sea-after-3,000-years level of plastic. Why on earth would you choose to support a club in that country* if you hate the country so much? The mind boggles.

Would you stop? Nobody is saying they hate England or English people ffs.

It's a football match.

 

[cyberman]

No, not really.

I'm saying how you can you support an English club while hating England so much? It's weird.

Because you don't choose your club based in nationality?
I grew up watching England use our players as scapegoats and the fans go after them, the FA overly punishing our players so feck the England national team.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Nope. That's also pretty plastic (unless they're from Manchester)..

Choosing a club you have no connection to (I don't buy any of this "oh my great uncle once drove past Manchester" rubbish) because they win lots of trophies is pretty plastic. But at least that's a small level of plastic - maybe like the biodegradable plastic bags.

But choosing a club you have no connection to because they win lots of trophies, even though you hate the country that the club is from? That's like still-killing-fish-in-the-sea-after-3,000-years level of plastic. Why on earth would you choose to support a club in that country* if you hate the country so much? The mind boggles.

Well we're all thankful you're here to police our fanbase.

 

[Dan_F]

See, this is what I mean.

When the song is called out as annoying others the argument becomes "oh but it is self-deprecating, have you listened to the whole song?!", but when things are going well it's 100% used as a chant.
Now it's absolutely a valid argument that you are allowed to cheer, hell we can agree that these very conflicting ways of using the song can be limited to different sections of the England fanbase and as such there are no hypocrisy, but way too many England supporters are willfully pretending that these dislikeable parts of the England fanbase are even there.

Hell, I've seen people hint that we shouldn't care about the racism shown by the England fans because Italy also has racist fans.

I think most England fans are struggling to see the issue people have taken with the song? Is it annoying? Is it arrogant? Who fecking cares it’s a football chant. They are all arrogant and annoying to opposing teams.

I just find it really strange that United fans of all people are annoyed by arrogant chants.
“20 times” - bragging about success
“We’ll do what we want” - arrogant.
Then you’ve got numerous ones about violence.

Also, I’ve not seen anyone say you shouldn’t care about racism in English football. I have seen people say that it’s strange to actively dislike a team for that reason, yet actively support one which arguably has a bigger problem with it.

I don’t think any England fan really wants/cares about who other countries give their support to, but the reasoning behind some of it is hypocritical, so you can’t be surprised people want to call that out.