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Let’s sign Gareth Bale
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We’ll see.
How many times has Bale rejected us now? Is it 3 or 4 times now? I lose count.
No, sorry, if he wanted to be at this club he'd already be here by now. And since when did we become happy being the club of Real Madrid's cast offs? Besides, the guy developed physically into a man when he was 17, which is early, most men aren't built like men until they get till about 19/20/21/22/23, this means he has also reached that age where he keeps on picking up niggling little injuries slightly early, and it's not going to get better, it's gonna get worse! See Rooney, he was already built like a man when he was 14 or 15, and now he's completely shot at 31, but at least with him we bought him young!
I say to Bale, find some other mug, you've had your chance here.
No, sorry, if he wanted to be at this club he'd already be here by now. And since when did we become happy being the club of Real Madrid's cast offs? Besides, the guy developed physically into a man when he was 17, which is early, most men aren't built like men until they get till about 19/20/21/22/23, this means he has also reached that age where he keeps on picking up niggling little injuries slightly early, and it's not going to get better, it's gonna get worse! See Rooney, he was already built like a man when he was 14 or 15, and now he's completely shot at 31, but at least with him we bought him young!
I say to Bale, find some other mug, you've had your chance here.
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Various outlets reportedly saying that Real will ask for 200m.
They can do one for that! 70m tops with his injury record.
As usual, the papers have also added wages and bonuses to the transfer fee because it’s United, so he’s gonna cost us 330m...
They can do one for that! 70m tops with his injury record.
As usual, the papers have also added wages and bonuses to the transfer fee because it’s United, so he’s gonna cost us 330m...
Can't be bothered. Don't think he's serious about leaving.
Too many injuries, 29 y.o., very expensive. I wonder what could go wrong.
That's what happens when players win Champions League finals. To be fair, there would not be anywhere near the clamour on here to sign him had he not done that .It's basic economics - demand goes up, price goes up .
They’re never going to get 200m for an injury prone 29 year old no matter how good he is. If he’s not in-favour and costing them half a million a week in wages, why would they price him out of the market? Are they happy paying such a huge salary to their backup players?
Even w/o the injuries, signing a 29 y.o. for crazy money (salary) is risky. See Sanchez thread...
That doesn't mean we have to go for a 29 year old injury prone player whose desperate to remain relevant in football. I have supported Mourinho through thick and thin, however I doubt I'll keep supporting him if we end up with Bale. In my opinion, he would be reverting to his good old ways were he buy his way to success with short term signings, then feck off, only to leave behind a pack of old and over payed players. Inter has yet to recover from the Mourinho effect.
I wouldn't be too much against the deal IF we didn't had Sanchez + Bale wasn't such a crock. However getting Bale now will piss off our young talent even further and we will be saddled with a player on ridiculous salaries and who'll pass much of his time in the treatment room
I think Zidane’s words are quite damning. He says Ronaldo will stay but Bale’s situation is complicated. I think we’ll go for Bale and they’ll go for Neymar.
I'd still have him. Not my money. I think people are a bit to precious about the clubs money. no use moaning about transfer fees and wages anymore I'm afraid. Your peeing into the wind!
If that's the truth then we'll be doing Real a massive favour. They'll get stronger while we'll be saddled with a crock on ridiculous salaries.
Every club in the world has a salary budget. If we get Bale then you can kiss our chances of getting a top winger anytime soon. We'll be saddled with a crock whose on the wane while Real will be free to sign someone who'll be WC for the next 5-6 years or so.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Bale is a quiet fellow and known to be a good teammate and a pro with a reasonable agent. Injuries are his biggest issue.
Neymar is a one man circus -siscon with a greedy father, a huge entourage and an agent who guns for a wage raise every season. Who knows what his effect would be on the Madrid dressing room.
It's a moot point. No way the Qatari foreign ministry allows him to move from their prestige PR project in Paris yet. Maybe 2019.
If we sign Bale most financial costs could be spread out over 4 years
the commerical value to Man Utd would off set most of that so as a package it looks a good deal
Where it becomes a big worry is if you put all your eggs in one basket and Bale gets injured
and that has been increasingly happening at Real Madrid
i think the one question us Man utd fans have to ask ourselves is do we value Bale more than Dave?
as i feel sure Real Madrid will want him included in any deal
The lesson here for players is never sign a contract of more than 4 years - you lose a lot of leverage
if it all turns sour and you want to leave
the commerical value to Man Utd would off set most of that so as a package it looks a good deal
Where it becomes a big worry is if you put all your eggs in one basket and Bale gets injured
and that has been increasingly happening at Real Madrid
i think the one question us Man utd fans have to ask ourselves is do we value Bale more than Dave?
as i feel sure Real Madrid will want him included in any deal
The lesson here for players is never sign a contract of more than 4 years - you lose a lot of leverage
if it all turns sour and you want to leave
If we get prices out then so be it. Who else is going to pay it?
I'm sorry, but this is horse manure.
First of all, if we sign Gareth Bale, we get a top class winger. Actually, we get one of the very best wingers in football. There will be no need to sign another top class winger anytime soon if we sign him. Then we have Sanchez (who I think will come good) on the left and Bale on the right. If that's not class, I don't know what is. Ageing class, but class nevertheless.
Second, how is he on the wane? He has a goal or assist every 110 minutes or so this season. A season where he's been less injured than in a long time, but out of favor in Real Madrid. 16 goals and 4 assists in 26 games in La Liga (and he only averaged 70 minutes per game in those 26 games). You'll struggle to find many wingers with better stats than that. He might not be as explosive as he used to be, but that's actually a good thing, considering his injury record. And he's not a one trick pony, only relying on his explosiveness. He can shoot, he can dribble, he can cross, and he's a big, muscular fella who can bully any defence in the Premier League.
Also, money wise, he'll cost a lot. But he'll also generate a lot. You can't only look at the expenses with mega signings. Of course we want recoup every penny, but he'll surely make our economy grow even further.
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City supposedly expressed intrest or Pep has, saying something along the lines if he’s available we are intrested.
I am curious about all these times he's supposedly rejected us. The media makes out he does it every season, but how many are actually legit?
Ferguson has said that Southampton turned down our bid for Bale so he never got the chance to actually accept or decline us himself. Even if he had, he was a young leftback at the time and we had the best leftback in the world, so I would have found it hard to blame him looking for gametime.
We supposedly went in for him when he was leaving Spurs, but do we actually think that Spurs would have accepted our bid ahead of Real's? Not a chance in hell, unless we outbid their offer by a ridiculous amount (and remember, Real's offer was already about the world record range).
There's been a number of seasons since he's been at Real that we've been heavily linked to making a bid, but there's no way to know whether we actually have or whether it's just been media bullshit. Regardless, Real has had absolutely no interest in selling him until maybe this season or last season at the most (emphasis on 'maybe').
In other words, there is a very strong likelihood that Bale has never actually had the chance to 'reject' us. There may have been once or twice in the last few years where we hoped that he would have made a scene and demanded that Real sell him to us and he refused to do that (basically the same as what Real and Barca always get their targets to do), but that certainly isn't the same as actually rejecting us.
It’s not really. He’s greeting about current transfer policy as though it hasn’t been this way for a long time.
We’ve signed our share of crocks over the years, and currently have a core of young players developing.
1992 was a very long time ago.
So.. another injury-prone ex-Real Madrid player who comes here thinking he's a superstar and wants the team to allow him to shine? We have two such 'superstars' already, don't we?
I realize he could turn out to be our Robben, but the atmosphere at Man United is very different from Bayern Munich (who btw are also rumored to be interested and will get him for less than half the price for us). My concern is not really about money, age or quality of the player. It's more about the profile and whether another high-profile signing is the answer to our attacking woes rather than more emphasis on offensive moves as a whole.
Injuries are also a concern. Bale got injured around the end of September last year and was out for three months. If he gets injured for a similar duration in the first half of the season, any good start will be offset and the season will suffer, similar to what happened with Pogba. So even if he is the answer to our attacking woes, he is not a reliable one for the entire season.
I do agree that we desperately need a winger on the right and quality-wise, Bale is the best option. But we need a first-team player who we can rely on for the majority of the season and who wouldn't spoil the team dynamic and harmony. On the latter point, I don't doubt that Bale is a team player or whether he would do well under Mourinho. But the reality is that any player who leaves Real Madrid right now, would do it only to be the main guy.
Should we give that status to an injury-prone Galactico? Not for me. He did win the CL final for his team, but he was also out for extended periods and Real ended up third in the league.
I realize he could turn out to be our Robben, but the atmosphere at Man United is very different from Bayern Munich (who btw are also rumored to be interested and will get him for less than half the price for us). My concern is not really about money, age or quality of the player. It's more about the profile and whether another high-profile signing is the answer to our attacking woes rather than more emphasis on offensive moves as a whole.
Injuries are also a concern. Bale got injured around the end of September last year and was out for three months. If he gets injured for a similar duration in the first half of the season, any good start will be offset and the season will suffer, similar to what happened with Pogba. So even if he is the answer to our attacking woes, he is not a reliable one for the entire season.
I do agree that we desperately need a winger on the right and quality-wise, Bale is the best option. But we need a first-team player who we can rely on for the majority of the season and who wouldn't spoil the team dynamic and harmony. On the latter point, I don't doubt that Bale is a team player or whether he would do well under Mourinho. But the reality is that any player who leaves Real Madrid right now, would do it only to be the main guy.
Should we give that status to an injury-prone Galactico? Not for me. He did win the CL final for his team, but he was also out for extended periods and Real ended up third in the league.
He's the answer.
so your saying bales not a top winger
This crock things not a fair assessment either he's been fit most of the season. U never know in football and I personally think he's a great fit
If the question is "Who will keep Jones company in the Physio room?"... then he certainly is.
Still a top player on his day. No point if he only plays 20 games a season though. Better suited to our team than someone like Sanchez or Mata, but he will be expensive and the injuries man. This will be evenly split into two camps
His games per season since joining Real Madrid: 44, 48, 31, 27, 39. Not once has he played only 20 games per season. His average has been 38 games per season for Real Madrid. And this season could have been a lot higher, if he wasn't out of favor with Zidane.
If it is true we offered the same amount as Real Madrid when Moyes took over, then Gareth Bale's agent would have absolutely known about that, so he could have easily pushed a move through to us. The player is really the one in control here, I mean yeah, technically Spurs still could have still said no, but there was no way Levy was turning down 85 million smackeroonies at that time! It's not like we were even rivals at that point. We were the champs, Spurs were still also-rans.
As for the last two summers, yeah you make a good point, I agree that I think we were hoping for Bale to speak up or kick up a fuss. So I suppose the fact he didn't should be qualities we should admire... except the guy is almost 30 now, they are qualities to be admired when you are hoping someone will spend their career here, not so much when you are just trying to get him here for his twilight years.
When all is said and done though, the wonder goal against Liverpool shouldn't really change much, the other goal was fortuitous to say the least. I mean even guys as shot as Rooney are still capable of scoring wonder goals now and again (like against West Ham this season), not saying that Bale is as shot as Rooney, but he is well on the way. We'd get perhaps 2 decent seasons out of Bale where he'll likely miss a third of each season, then after that it will be downhill all the way. As I said earlier, he developed physically very early, and normally with sportsmen it is also means they become shot very early too.
I'd rather we bought 2 or 3 players with huge potential and tried to develop them, then spunk all that money on Bale's fee and wages. But then again, I don't know what is going on with our scouting network since Fergie left, I can't remember the last time they picked out a gem that no one knew about, so I get the feeling that needs investment too. Invest in this and we'll save huge amounts of money down the road and we'll all be better off for it in the long term, but it all feels like it is becoming too short termism now, too reactionary, and Bale is just another symptom of this. It's not what United's about.... or it didn't use to be.
How many of the appearances were cameos off the bench? He has been averaging 32 games per season over the past 3 years. If we are to get to at least the quarters/semis of the Champions League and progress in the domestic cups, say even just get to the quarters, you are looking at between 55-60 games over the course of the season.
I say it would be worth signing him if we could get around 40 games (ideally starts) from Bale and the other 15-20 games he misses will be to ensure he is managed well and rested or due to the expected... an injury.
Looking at games as an indicator is kinda skewed. He's mostly come on as a sub this season. Therefore high number of games but low on minutes.
He's played ~2300 minutes which is about 25 full games. Which is also his highest in the last 3 years. For juxtaposition, Lukaku played 4000 minutes this year for us. Last time Bale managed 4000 mins in a season was in 2014-2015.
Could Bale get back up to playing 4000 minutes a season without breaking down? I'm not so sure.
Oh, I agree we need him to play 40 or more games. I'm just saying that his supposed lack of games is a bit overstated. This season he could have reached something like 45 games with relative ease.
As for how many games has been cameos off the bench, I don't know. But, not counting the spanish cup, he came on as a sub 10 times this season, 3 times last season, 2 times in 15/16, 2 times in 14/15, and 7 times in 13/14. It's not like he's been the Solskjaer of Real Madrid.
It surely doesn’t matter how many games were off the bench?
Clearly he was fit to play and, therefore, not injured. If he was with us he’d have started pretty much every game this season and Real could have done the same if they’d chosen to.
Clearly he was fit to play and, therefore, not injured. If he was with us he’d have started pretty much every game this season and Real could have done the same if they’d chosen to.
I think he's on the wane and that he's injury prone. May I ask you why he's not playing week in week out then?
Are Utd that desperate to even consider Bale given his age, injury record and expected wages? Its obvious Real are desperate to get him off their wage bill, so let's not do them a massive favour and let some other club be the mugs.
Why would we not "do them a favour" when it massively improves us? I don't get why so many on here give a feck about Real, they're not our rival.
I can't really argue about him being injury prone. But what makes you think he's on the wane?
If we get Bale we're getting an injury prone player at the wrong side of his 20s and on ridiculous fees and salaries. We have a horrible track record with crocks so if he signs with us then things will probably only get worse
With Sanchez on the left and Bale on the right, we'll be pissing off our young players who would be looking elsewhere were to go. In 3-4 years time we will have to replace half the squad (Sanchez, Bale, Matic, Rojo, Smalling, Valencia, Young etc)
Meanwhile we'll also be freeing Real Madrid from a glorified utility player whose on a ridiculous salary and whose ratings are on the wane. That salary budget will be used to actually bring a top player which means the gap between them and the rest will grow bigger.
From the merchandising point of view, I am sure that the club will do its best to milk it. However lets get real on this. Bale is a bit like Real's answer to Rooney. He's a star on the wane and his injuries will only get worse. Why would sponsors fret on some Real's utility player when they can focus on Ronaldo and possibly Real's new toy Neymar? Its would be like being proud of our second hand Delorean while our rich neighbour is running around with the new Ferrari LaFerrari Aperta.
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I think its down to his injuries and that he's not as good as he used to be.
I’m pro signing him but on the bit bolded i thought it was common knowledge that we offered spurs more than Madrid but they refused to sell to us or he preferred Madrid
we're getting an injury prone player whose on ridiculous salary off their hands. Its a bit what with did to Bayern with Bastian and Hargreaves.