Leroy Sane | confirmed to City

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VanGaalEra said:
Sounds like Martial when we signed him :drool:
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That might be true, but I don't think it's very likely that the next young attacking player instantly performs as consistently as Martial did so far. It's not even a question of talent, it's just unusual that a young player doesn't need any time to adapt to a new country, league, team, different style.

I didn't watch enough of Monaco to comment on how mature Martial played last season, but Sane would have to make a big step forward in my opinion. He has been a fantastic match winner for Schalke this season, but it was often more a moment of brilliance to save the day in an overall underwhelming game instead of real quality performances over 90 minutes. I'd say Sane would be smart to stay at Schalke for another season and develop further before making the big step. But then, you never know. Some players need the added pressure at a big club to excel and improve almost instantly after moving while others struggle under that pressure in a more competitive side where they have to deliver consistently and fight for their spot in the starting eleven.
 
Fer said:
RW: It looks good with Sane and Januzaj. It would be a massive improvement than playing Mata there.

LW: I still trust that Memphis will be an important player for us. Lindgard and Januzaj can cover him. However, I think Martial will play half of the games in that position.

10: I would prefer Griezmann here. If we cannot sign him, James or Gotze are good options (if they are available). Pereira to cover.

CF: We definitely need a new striker, someone like Lukaku or Kane would be my choice. Martial would rotate in this position and with Memphis.

But I like the players you proposed (Sane and Griezmann). Which 2 players for position would you have in the defense and as center midfielders?
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I'm going to try to be realistic here (as best as I can in muppet mode off)

GK
DDG
Romero/Johnstone on loan
J. Pereira

RB
Darmian*
Varela

LB
Shaw
Rojo*

CB
Smalling
Laporte/Stones - Laporte stronger defensively, Stones is better on the ball.
Jones
McNair

DM
Schneiderlin
Blind*

CM
Herrera
Tielemans
Ruben Neves

*Secondary multi-functional players
 
In the summer, is there a better available option than Sane for the right wing? Mahrez? Moura?
Or what about Dybala in a front of 3?
 
Fer said:
In the summer, is there a better available option than Sane for the right wing? Mahrez? Moura?
Or what about Dybala in a front of 3?
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Short term: Probably quite a few
Long term: probably not that many
 
Fer said:
In the summer, is there a better available option than Sane for the right wing? Mahrez? Moura?
Or what about Dybala in a front of 3?
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I suppose the key question is a different one. Which considers he the best available option for his development?
 
sane to chelsea, for sure :lol:
i dont know why such stupid rumours are being discused here.
 
MSN plays every gane when they're all fit, Dybala going to Barca makes no sense unless they're planning to sell one of the three.
 
Well if the sun and express agree on it then it certainly must be true..
 
Ozio said:
MSN plays every gane when they're all fit, Dybala going to Barca makes no sense unless they're planning to sell one of the three.
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:devil:
 
Ozio said:
MSN plays every gane when they're all fit, Dybala going to Barca makes no sense unless they're planning to sell one of the three.
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Who says he will move next season? In 2-3 years a lot can happen. Barca will still buy offensive players, they have to, cant just use the same front 3 for 5 years.
 
izec said:
Who says he will move next season? In 2-3 years a lot can happen. Barca will still buy offensive players, they have to, cant just use the same front 3 for 5 years.
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Exactly.

Suarez and Messi will be like 31 then. They'd definitely replace Suarez in 3 years time.
 
How he has been playing lately? (I have just watched some highlights)
 
Fer said:
How he has been playing lately? (I have just watched some highlights)
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Not as good as Dembele for example, nowhere near actually. Currently he's struggling with his form. The whole team is very inconsistent though.
 
Can't see Shalke rejecting £30m+ bids for him. If any top club pushes, i reckon they will get a deal done.
 
I suspect that Schalke would laugh about an offer of £30m. The '+' would need to be significant.

It's a tricky situation for them. They still have a considerable debt but reduced it to some extent. They won't mind the money. But from a football perspective they desperately need him; their whole attacking efforts this season were reliant on Sané having a good day. From that perspective, they can't afford to lose him now.
I'm also not sure if Sané is keen on moving. Possibly if Schalke misses out on Champions League and Europa League. Other than his potential desire to play in Europe, there is absolutely no need for him to move that early.

I can really see him staying another season and observing what will happen at his club:
Schalke will get a new DoF in summer who's one of the best in Germany, Christian Heidel from Mainz.
Fans being close to inner circles of Schalke indicate that he will bring a new manager with him (not the one BILD is reporting about though). It was Heidel who gave Klopp and Tuchel the chance to become the managers they are now, and gave the current manager Martin Schmidt a chance to grow and shine too.
Getting an abundance of game time under a decent coach is so much more important for development than moving to a big club ASAP.
 
Crossie said:
I suspect that Schalke would laugh about an offer of £30m. The '+' would need to be significant.

It's a tricky situation for them. They still have a considerable debt but reduced it to some extent. They won't mind the money. But from a football perspective they desperately need him; their whole attacking efforts this season were reliant on Sané having a good day. From that perspective, they can't afford to lose him now.
I'm also not sure if Sané is keen on moving. Possibly if Schalke misses out on Champions League and Europa League. Other than his potential desire to play in Europe, there is absolutely no need for him to move that early.

I can really see him staying another season and observing what will happen at his club:
Schalke will get a new DoF in summer who's one of the best in Germany, Christian Heidel from Mainz.
Fans being close to inner circles of Schalke indicate that he will bring a new manager with him (not the one BILD is reporting about though). It was Heidel who gave Klopp and Tuchel the chance to become the managers they are now, and gave the current manager Martin Schmidt a chance to grow and shine too.
Getting an abundance of game time under a decent coach is so much more important for development than moving to a big club ASAP.
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It's impossible to predict, because you could also make the point that Sane's actual contribution right now is nowhere near worth that kind of money and that Heidel needs funds if he wants to rebuild the trainwreck that Heldt left him.
 
do.ob said:
It's impossible to predict, because you could also make the point that Sane's actual contribution right now is nowhere near worth that kind of money and that Heidel needs funds if he wants to rebuild the trainwreck that Heldt left him.
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Reduce the wage bill, trust the youth in a playing style that suits them. Get rid of Huntelaar would be a good start for example. If Nastasic and Höwedes can stay fit next season, they won't miss Matip at all, because both are better centerbacks than him (big if, I know). The midfield and attack has lots of potential. They don't need that much money, they just need better decisions for the few positions they need to upgrade/replace with new signings.

Even if they miss out on CL football, they should be able to keep Sane unless a truely great offer comes in, like 50m+. Of course, if Sane simply doesn't want to stay and starts acting out, it might be better to let him go. But that's not the impression I have from him and it's not like his performances were great enough to demand a starting spot in a bigger club than Schalke.
 
do.ob said:
It's impossible to predict, because you could also make the point that Sane's actual contribution right now is nowhere near worth that kind of money and that Heidel needs funds if he wants to rebuild the trainwreck that Heldt left him.
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Of course it is. However, Heidel will rather sell or not re-sign players on big salaries and little reward, like Huntelaar or Neustädter. It's not impossible to get a decent fee for them from an English or Chinese club.
 
They should keep Neustädter in my opinion. I doubt it'll happen, but losing him on a free is a bit shit for them. He's not as bad as he looks for Schalke, he was brilliant under Favre at Gladbach and had a few good (albeit short) spells for Schalke. He can cover both in midfield and in defense and with Matip gone, they need someone like him. Huntelaar and Di Santo need to go and Schalke need to find at least 1 good goalscorer, probably 2. The rest of the squad is nowhere near as bad as their performances suggest. It's a mix of awful coaching and bad luck with injuries that makes them look so bad.
 
Re: Neustädter: I know he performed well under Favre at Gladbach but the games at Schalke in which he convinced me that he's worth his pay check are numbered. The wage structure at Schalke is something Heidel will need to clean up and therefore I expect that they'll make him an offer but it remains to be seen if he accepts it or moves on.
 
Crossie said:
Re: Neustädter: I know he performed well under Favre at Gladbach but the games at Schalke in which he convinced me that he's worth his pay check are numbered. The wage structure at Schalke is something Heidel will need to clean up and therefore I expect that they'll make him an offer but it remains to be seen if he accepts it or moves on.
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I expect him to move to a Russian or Ukrainian club. Has he made a decision about playing for the Russian nationalteam? I think there were rumours that he might switch now that he has no chance to play for Germany.

Anyway, back to Sane. I do wonder how all that affects his decision to stay. It might be difficult to sell him Schalke as an interesting 'project', if big names leave and less fancy names arrive. It'll be a lot easier with CL football of course, but a second season without and a squad that (at least on paper) gets weaker again or at least doesn't improve and solely depends on all the young talents to develop? It'll make all the offers that'll come in this summer even more interesting.
 
Balu said:
I expect him to move to a Russian or Ukrainian club. Has he made a decision about playing for the Russian nationalteam? I think there were rumours that he might switch now that he has no chance to play for Germany.

Anyway, back to Sane. I do wonder how all that affects his decision to stay. It might be difficult to sell him Schalke as an interesting 'project', if big names leave and less fancy names arrive. It'll be a lot easier with CL football of course, but a second season without and a squad that (at least on paper) gets weaker again or at least doesn't improve and solely depends on all the young talents to develop? It'll make all the offers that'll come in this summer even more interesting.
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Forgotten about the Russian links of Neustädter, you could be spot on with a Russian club as next destination.

If I had to make a call today I'd say he stays unless Schalke miss out on Europa League. The likes of Fährmann, Höwedes, Nastasic, Goretzka, Geis, Meyer (most probably) will stay, that's a decent core in which you can develop for another season.
 
Crossie said:
I can really see him staying another season and observing what will happen at his club:
Schalke will get a new DoF in summer who's one of the best in Germany, Christian Heidel from Mainz.
Fans being close to inner circles of Schalke indicate that he will bring a new manager with him (not the one BILD is reporting about though). It was Heidel who gave Klopp and Tuchel the chance to become the managers they are now, and gave the current manager Martin Schmidt a chance to grow and shine too.
Getting an abundance of game time under a decent coach is so much more important for development than moving to a big club ASAP.
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There is one thing all these three coaches have in common and that is that they came from within the club. Heidel´s solutions from the outside were far less successful. There is only one person inside Schalke who could take on such a role, which is Norbert Elgert, who announced that he would leave the club when is current contract runs out. Furthermore there is a completely different atmosphere in Schalke compared to Mainz.

Getting rid of Heldt for Heidel was a good and important first step, but the changes have to go way further. They finally need to get rid of the impatience which stretches from the leadership down to the core support. Until they stop going into panic mode twice a season they will never build something really meaningful. The sole saving grace of the club, the "Knappenschmiede" won´t be there forever to bail them out either. If I look past Elgert´s U19 (which is also already been overtaken by our U19) they have already lost their top dog status over the talent market in the Ruhr area. With us shifting more and more focus (and money) towards the youth development, they will sooner or later been left in the dust in that department aswell.

The next three games (derby, Bayern away, Leverkusen at home) will probably decide if they will play CL next season and without the influx of money from there I don´t see Heidel having much success in rebuilding the squad. That is unless they decide to sell some of their crown jewels in the Summer and there Sané is their hottest sale object.
 
He's as close to the right sided Martial as you can get. Brilliant player, we should go all out for him. Get him quick before anyone else comes sniffing, tremendous potential.
 
Interesting. A young left footed verstatile right wing forward with pace and an eye for goal. Makes sense for us to be scouting him.

With Schalke qualifying for the EL too he'd be attainable.
 
AltiUn said:
He's as close to the right sided Martial as you can get. Brilliant player, we should go all out for him. Get him quick before anyone else comes sniffing, tremendous potential.
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He's not exactly a hidden gem. :D Barcelona are reported to be interested. He recently repeated that he wants to stay with Schalke for another season and by September we'll know if he actually meant it that way.
 
Based on what I've seen on him he'd be a terrific signing. Haven't watched any of Schalke in the second half of the season, but in terms of talent, he seems to have the lot. Quick, powerful, skilful amd has an eye for goal. Would much rather this sort of player than someone like Mane.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Based on what I've seen on him he'd be a terrific signing. Haven't watched any of Schalke in the second half of the season, but in terms of talent, he seems to have the lot. Quick, powerful, skilful amd has an eye for goal. Would much rather this sort of player than someone like Mane.
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We might need Sane type of player more, but our position in world football suggests we may have to shop in the second hand bins and go for Mane...
 
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