Leroy Sane | confirmed to City

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If you look at 5.16 down the line of the scoutnation video of leroy sane & how he pushes the defence back from a RW position - that is something that will help bpth martial & memphis.

It is something mata find almost impossible to do ( dribble forward with the ball).

It's not just sane, any left footed RW could peg the defence back and it opens up easy spaces.
 
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Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Considering the similarities to martial & memphis then - i wouldn't be surprised at all if this was true.

A left footed RW is something this squad needs even more than a goalscorer (2nd of importance)
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I yearn for the days when wingers weren't wrong footed. Left footed left wingers, right footed right wingers. That's just how it was back in my day.
 
simonhch said:
I yearn for the days when wingers weren't wrong footed. Left footed left wingers, right footed right wingers. That's just how it was back in my day.
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I was from that period too but things like crossing the ball to peter crouch isnt as effectice as playing on the floor anymore. Otherwise ashley young & valencia would be better than Ronaldo & Messi.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
I was from that period too but things like crossing the ball to peter crouch isnt as effectice as playing on the floor anymore. Otherwise ashley young & valencia would be better than Ronaldo & Messi.
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Ronaldo was a great crosser. Still in when he bothers trying - Messi's never had to though.

I think the main reason we don't see it anymore is, that the modern full back has taken over the role of the traditional winger. Most full backs now bomb forward and dominate the flanks, so there's no point having a winger clogging up those lanes too.
 
Skills said:
Ronaldo was a great crosser. Still in when he bothers trying - Messi's never had to though.

I think the main reason we don't see it anymore is, that the modern full back has taken over the role of the traditional winger. Most full backs now bomb forward and dominate the flanks, so there's no point having a winger clogging up those lanes too.
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Yeh. The traditional winger is the fullback. I also have this feeling that the wing-backs will slowly start becoming/acting like wide defensive midfielders.

Ive seen it at bayern with alaba & lahm and van gaal is trying to do something here with Mcnair (who has a history of that position) but he had a shocker playing there.

As you said though, if the fullback croases the ball - any forward can get themselves in the box so scoring becomes easier than say valencia trying to find solely berbatov.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
Yeh. The traditional winger is the fullback. I also have this feeling that the wing-backs will slowly start becoming/acting like wide defensive midfielders.

Ive seen it at bayern with alaba & lahm and van gaal is trying to do something here with Mcnair (who has a history of that position) but he had a shocker playing there.

As you said though, if the fullback croases the ball - any forward can get themselves in the box so scoring becomes easier than say valencia trying to find solely berbatov.
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You guys aren't thinking radically enough. The next logical evolution are wingers being wingers again, and full backs becoming wrong footed inside full backs who exploit the gaps opened up between center backs and defending full backs by wingers stretching the play. Duh.

After that we'll be looking at false midfielders, and double liberos before ultimately some hipster, in the distant year of 2040, brings back the 4-4-2 as a tactical revolution. Consequently, some insufferable twat will write an article in the, now holographic version, of the Guardian talking about the tactical genius of Pep Guardiolas son (it's 2040) in re-inventing a long forgotten British tradition.

At least the Old Trafford crowd will be satisfied.

And, oh yeah, something, something Leroy Sane.
 
Do you think Sane is the best available right winger we can get? Or do you think Mahrez and Lucas Moura are better in that position?
 
Adisa said:
He's been linked heavily with Barcelona the last couple of days. However, Sport ran an exclusive today saying it wasn't going to happen they we (man Utd) aerie already well down the line in negotiations with Shalke. Don't know what to make of it. Sport aren't reliable.
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No transfer rumor can be taken seriously if it doesn't include the magic key words that the 'club is preparing an offer'. :wenger:

On a more serious note, there's nothing in the German media other than Barcelona or Real Madrid (in January) though the latter is IMHO invented by BILD.
We can rule out a January move, and I personally doubt that Sané has decided yet or will decide quickly where he's gonna move to in summer. And why should he? There's no need to rush, in fact he can wait until he knows if Löw calls him for the Euro 2016 squad, probably getting him even better contract terms.
 
Crossie said:
No transfer rumor can be taken seriously if it doesn't include the magic key words that the 'club is preparing an offer'. :wenger:

On a more serious note, there's nothing in the German media other than Barcelona or Real Madrid (in January) though the latter is IMHO invented by BILD.
We can rule out a January move, and I personally doubt that Sané has decided yet or will decide quickly where he's gonna move to in summer. And why should he? There's no need to rush, in fact he can wait until he knows if Löw calls him for the Euro 2016 squad, probably getting him even better contract terms.
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A January transfer will definitely not happen. His agent has made that pretty clear.
 
simonhch said:
You guys aren't thinking radically enough. The next logical evolution are wingers being wingers again, and full backs becoming wrong footed inside full backs who exploit the gaps opened up between center backs and defending full backs by wingers stretching the play. Duh.

After that we'll be looking at false midfielders, and double liberos before ultimately some hipster, in the distant year of 2040, brings back the 4-4-2 as a tactical revolution. Consequently, some insufferable twat will write an article in the, now holographic version, of the Guardian talking about the tactical genius of Pep Guardiolas son (it's 2040) in re-inventing a long forgotten British tradition.
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simonhch said:
You guys aren't thinking radically enough. The next logical evolution are wingers being wingers again, and full backs becoming wrong footed inside full backs who exploit the gaps opened up between center backs and defending full backs by wingers stretching the play. Duh.
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Many of the all time great leftbacks actually were right footed and did just that quite often. The likes of Nilton Santos, Facchetti, Breitner, Brehme would cut inside and attack down the middle. Some more, some less, but they all were important playmakers in their teams, which usually means you do something creative in a more central position.

A more modern example would be the Lahm - Ze Roberto combination at Bayern during the 2nd half of the 00's. Ze Roberto usually played as a left midfielder, drifted to the wing, while Lahm as a rightfooted leftback cut inside and played through the middle. Most of Lahm's goals came through that move. Look at the opening goal at the World Cup in 2006, Podolski drifting to the wing to provide width and Lahm cutting inside to score:



Regarding Sane. I really hope he isn't stupid enough to move too early. The rumours about a move to Barca or City are really worrying because it's unlikely that he gets enough playing time the next few years at either club. I hope he stays, but if he wants to move to a big club so soon, he really should consider United as the first choice, especially if van Gaal stays another year. I could see him giving a fair chance to nail down a regularly starting spot here.
 
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Balu said:
Regarding Sane. I really hope he isn't stupid enough to move too early. The rumours about a move to Barca or City are really worrying because it's unlikely that he gets enough playing time the next few years at either club. I hope he stays, but if he wants to move to a big club so soon, he really should consider United as the first choice, especially if van Gaal stays another year. I could see him giving a fair chance to nail down a regularly starting spot here.
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I think, just like Martial, he'd have every chance of being a week in and week out starter with us, he only has to get past Mata and Lingard to do so.
 
Sport Bild reporting tonight that we are trying to sign him.
 
Devil may care said:
I think, just like Martial, he'd have every chance of being a week in and week out starter with us, he only has to get past Mata and Lingard to do so.
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Yeah, think he'd walk in like Martial has done. Memphis should improve next season as well which should mean he walks in to the side on the left with Martial up front as well. But as of now, you could say that we have only 1 player who can start in any of the front 4 positions consistently and make an impact. The others are all pretty useless most of the time. Rooney has started pulling his weight, Mata is very inconsistent (and always played out of position anyway making us very lopsided), Memphis is young and adapting, Lingard is just meh... Pretty much any half decent player with pace would walk in our team on the wings.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Aren't they the reliable ones?
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I know Bild aren't reliable. I'm not sure about Sport Bild.


If he comes here, I don't expect him to struggle for games. He will own that RW pretty quickly.
 
bosnian_red said:
Yeah, think he'd walk in like Martial has done. Memphis should improve next season as well which should mean he walks in to the side on the left with Martial up front as well. But as of now, you could say that we have only 1 player who can start in any of the front 4 positions consistently and make an impact. The others are all pretty useless most of the time. Rooney has started pulling his weight, Mata is very inconsistent (and always played out of position anyway making us very lopsided), Memphis is young and adapting, Lingard is just meh... Pretty much any half decent player with pace would walk in our team on the wings.
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I actually think we will make a move for Lukaku in the summer, so Martial and Sane flanking him with Januzaj and Memphis competing for starting sports would be ideal IMO.
 
Devil may care said:
I actually think we will make a move for Lukaku in the summer, so Martial and Sane flanking him with Januzaj and Memphis competing for starting sports would be ideal IMO.
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That sounds really good. I would add someone like Griezmann/James/Gotze to play behind Lukaku.
 
Devil may care said:
I actually think we will make a move for Lukaku in the summer, so Martial and Sane flanking him with Januzaj and Memphis competing for starting sports would be ideal IMO.
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We definitely need a striker like that. Him, Kane, or even Cavani (who I was strongly against a few years ago and still am not crazy about). But because Martial can play so well on the wing, he can be starting all the time, and we have a main striker starting up top, and then sometimes play Martial up top as back up to him, or Rooney... We're definitely missing at least 1 striker and 1 winger who are starting quality though.
 
Fer said:
That sounds really good. I would add someone like Griezmann/James/Gotze to play behind Lukaku.
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That would be perfect but unless Rooney goes or is willing to take a bench role I imagine he'll be wanting that #10 spot.

bosnian_red said:
We definitely need a striker like that. Him, Kane, or even Cavani (who I was strongly against a few years ago and still am not crazy about). But because Martial can play so well on the wing, he can be starting all the time, and we have a main striker starting up top, and then sometimes play Martial up top as back up to him, or Rooney... We're definitely missing at least 1 striker and 1 winger who are starting quality though.
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I'm all for using Martial in the center on some occasions, in fact that may be why there is interest in an older striker like Cavani, so he would be shorter term while Martial develops, but like you I am not keen on him. I agree we definitely need 2 starting forwards, ideally 3, but definitely at least 2.
 
Devil may care said:
That would be perfect but unless Rooney goes or is willing to take a bench role I imagine he'll be wanting that #10 spot.



I'm all for using Martial in the center on some occasions, in fact that may be why there is interest in an older striker like Cavani, so he would be shorter term while Martial develops, but like you I am not keen on him. I agree we definitely need 2 starting forwards, ideally 3, but definitely at least 2.
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In a perfect world for me,
RW
Sane and Januzaj
LW
Memphis and Lingard
10
Mata and Pereira
CF
Martial, Griezmann and Wilson
 
dichinero said:
In a perfect world for me,
RW
Sane and Januzaj
LW
Memphis and Lingard
10
Mata and Pereira
CF
Martial, Griezmann and Wilson
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That left wing is sub standard at best, the number 10s are just about ok. Play griezman as number 10, martial up top and buy a good left winger.
 
dichinero said:
In a perfect world for me,
RW
Sane and Januzaj
LW
Memphis and Lingard
10
Mata and Pereira
CF
Martial, Griezmann and Wilson
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This looks good balance-wise. If Memphis struggles then Martial can play as the LW and Griezmann as the 9 and if Sane struggles, Griezmann can play as the RW.

Griezmann, Sane, a CM to form a trio with Herrera and Schneiderlin and an LCB who can pass and play next to Smalling seems like the not impossible, best case scenario for the summer.
 
dichinero said:
In a perfect world for me,
RW
Sane and Januzaj
LW
Memphis and Lingard
10
Mata and Pereira
CF
Martial, Griezmann and Wilson
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For me it would be;

RW
Sane and Januzaj
LW
Memphis and Martial
10
Griezmann and Pereira
CF
Kane and Martial

With Lingard and Wilson covering the wide and striker spots as extra options.
 
dichinero said:
In a perfect world for me,
RW
Sane and Januzaj
LW
Memphis and Lingard
10
Mata and Pereira
CF
Martial, Griezmann and Wilson
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RW: It looks good with Sane and Januzaj. It would be a massive improvement than playing Mata there.

LW: I still trust that Memphis will be an important player for us. Lingard and Januzaj can cover him. However, I think Martial will play half of the games in that position.

10: I would prefer Griezmann here. If we cannot sign him, Dybala, James or Gotze are good options (if they are available). Pereira to cover.

CF: We definitely need a new striker (mainly if Rooney is sold), someone like Lukaku or Kane would be my choice. Martial would rotate in this position and with Memphis.

Laporte/Stones, Gundogan/Barkley, Sane/Mahrez and Griezmann/Dybala would be the perfect summer for me. The striker depends on Rooney staying or leaving.

But I like the players you proposed (Sane and Griezmann). Which 2 players for position would you have in the defense and as center midfielders?
 
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Lukaku has been really good this season but isn't that down alot from delefeau? The guy is like assisting 1/2 his goals or even more.

I don't see how Lukaku could be as effective with forwards like memphis, martial & sane playing next to him.
 
SportBild aren't exactly reliable and I don't see Sane moving this winter at all. I reckon his willingness to leave Schalke next summer will depend a lot on whether or not they make it into EL/CL, right now none of the clubs who could afford him look as good an opportunity for him as Schalke, because there he can be the main guy and he can get away with one or two bad games without being dropped.
 
do.ob said:
SportBild aren't exactly reliable and I don't see Sane moving this winter at all. I reckon his willingness to leave Schalke next summer will depend a lot on whether or not they make it into EL/CL, right now none of the clubs who could afford him look as good an opportunity for him as Schalke, because there he can be the main guy and he can get away with one or two bad games without being dropped.
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Tbf, he has a chance to be the main guy alongside Martial for us. We're not exactly overloaded with world class players up top.
 
Balu said:
Many of the all time great leftbacks actually were right footed and did just that quite often. The likes of Nilton Santos, Facchetti, Breitner, Brehme would cut inside and attack down the middle. Some more, some less, but they all were important playmakers in their teams, which usually means you do something creative in a more central position.

A more modern example would be the Lahm - Ze Roberto combination at Bayern during the 2nd half of the 00's. Ze Roberto usually played as a left midfielder, drifted to the wing, while Lahm as a rightfooted leftback cut inside and played through the middle. Most of Lahm's goals came through that move. Look at the opening goal at the World Cup in 2006, Podolski drifting to the wing to provide width and Lahm cutting inside to score:

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Yeah well, you can prove anything with facts.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Tbf, he has a chance to be the main guy alongside Martial for us. We're not exactly overloaded with world class players up top.
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I think people here overrate Sane's currently ability a lot. He's extremely talented no doubt, but imho he's still quite raw and a long way off from consistent top player week in week out.
 
do.ob said:
I think people here overrate Sane's currently ability a lot. He's extremely talented no doubt, but imho he's still quite raw and a long way off from consistent top player week in week out.
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Sounds like Martial when we signed him :drool:
 
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