Matip and Kolasinic also left Schalke on free transfers.
Leon Goretzka | Bayern player in the summer
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To join the PL even
That's very odd business by Schalke. Surely it's not that hard to sell players before the end of their contract?
I feel like it is going to be a more common occurrence in Football like Wenger said.
I am sure it does, but don't you think that this transfer behaviour would make the bundesliga less exciting for neutrals, that other 17 teams are basically a feeder club for Bayern. Now I know that the new TV deals are great and Bundesliga attendance is great. But in the long run people will understand that Bayern will win the league title indefinitely and TV viewings will go down hurting the whole league and even Bayern. Is that a worry?Good new year's news. The vitriol makes it taste even sweeter.
In all honesty, I don’t think people care as much about title races as much as you would think as long as there are star players and good football. What’s the alternative with all those oil clubs and the PL around? The players would leave the league and the BL just have less appeal with a weak Bayern. We would be a glorified Eredivise. Who cares when the title race is exciting when the league is full of second rate shit and some youth players which leave the league after two seasons.
It would be nice to have a consistent challenger, like Dortmund has been under Klopp, but building one takes time (Dortmund is still in the process of building up revenue) and it isn’t up to us. What does it help us when we need to buy expensive players abroad to compensate for not having Neuer or Lewy, all the guys we have gotten from the domestic market would have left anyway.
Bayern Munich is bigger than any PL club (for German players).
He will join players like Neuer, Thiago, Rodriguez, Müller, Lewandowski, Vidal, Kimmich, Hummels, Boateng, Alaba, Coman ect..
The Bundesliga got a new TV contract too and a huge China deal. Teams like Leipzig have a bright future.
Dortmund doesn't need to sell anymore. Bundesliga clubs like Dortmund got already enough PL money and soon more TV money.
I know the PL is strong, but it is also about titles. Man Utd and Liverpool are not on the same level as Bayern Munich.
I saw it coming, he was always going to Munich.
He will join players like Neuer, Thiago, Rodriguez, Müller, Lewandowski, Vidal, Kimmich, Hummels, Boateng, Alaba, Coman ect..
The Bundesliga got a new TV contract too and a huge China deal. Teams like Leipzig have a bright future.
Dortmund doesn't need to sell anymore. Bundesliga clubs like Dortmund got already enough PL money and soon more TV money.
I know the PL is strong, but it is also about titles. Man Utd and Liverpool are not on the same level as Bayern Munich.
I saw it coming, he was always going to Munich.
Dortmund had to sell Dembele and RBL had to sell Keita just this summer so I do not entirely share your optimism.
Only because Leipzig had a buy out clause and the new TV deal was not in place.
Coutinho will probably leave Liverpool too. Sometimes it's not about the money.
Coutinho will probably leave Liverpool too. Sometimes it's not about the money.
Well I am hoping we see more from Bundesliga clubs is the coming years. A lot of young, progressive coaches and a lot of young talent in the Bundesliga right now. Hopefully will see someone rise up to challenge Bayern and better performances in Europe from Bundesliga clubs in the coming years.
I am glad that the PL clubs are doing well now.
Still.. Goretzka, Lewandowski and Co. join Bayern for free. It is really impressive.
Someone pointed it out earlier.. Man Utd could have done the same, but foreign investors got between us and teams like Chelsea / City.
Goretzka would have been perfect for us.
Still.. Goretzka, Lewandowski and Co. join Bayern for free. It is really impressive.
Someone pointed it out earlier.. Man Utd could have done the same, but foreign investors got between us and teams like Chelsea / City.
Goretzka would have been perfect for us.
Knew it was rubbish anyway It's why I don't bother commenting in the thread like some LFC fans already on here drawing up possible formations of where he'd play. We have story every 6 months in the run up to January about a german based player linked with us, running down his contract, club want more in January, or he will leave for free in summer, the fans get excited etc and then the inevitable happens and they agree a pre-contract with either of the big two Bayern or Dortmund.
It's only because of we've got Klopp there will always be a link. The last player it happened with was Dahoud. I don't think we need a player like him now we've got Keita, we should be looking for a proper DM once Can leaves.
It's only because of we've got Klopp there will always be a link. The last player it happened with was Dahoud. I don't think we need a player like him now we've got Keita, we should be looking for a proper DM once Can leaves.
Not over yet, agent denies deal is in place for where the player plays next year
Would be amazing if we could sway him away from alleged Bayern move, he would be great for us in our 4-3-3 setup.
Pogba - Goretzka
.......Matic
Would be nice.
.......Matic
Would be nice.
Nah it is pretty much a done deal.
The problem is that someone talked to Marca and Sportbild before Goretzka spoke with Schalke. Goretzka wasn't allowed to speak to Schalke because Bayern wasn't allowed to make a deal yet. They can do that 6 months before his contract ends (basically now).
That's why Schalke's director said nobody approached them yet.
Imagine their midfield with Thiago, Goretzka and Martinez.
RB Leipzig already said that they won't sell players like Werner anymore. There won't be another buy out clause like for Keita. I would love to see Werner in Munich, but I think it is great that other teams such as Leipzig won't need to sell anymore.
The problem is that someone talked to Marca and Sportbild before Goretzka spoke with Schalke. Goretzka wasn't allowed to speak to Schalke because Bayern wasn't allowed to make a deal yet. They can do that 6 months before his contract ends (basically now).
That's why Schalke's director said nobody approached them yet.
Imagine their midfield with Thiago, Goretzka and Martinez.
RB Leipzig already said that they won't sell players like Werner anymore. There won't be another buy out clause like for Keita. I would love to see Werner in Munich, but I think it is great that other teams such as Leipzig won't need to sell anymore.
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Are they a respectable source?
Respectable is surely the wrong word. They are a rag. However, reporting about Bayern is their bread and butter business as we're by far the most newsworthy club in Germany, they have reasonable contacts and can't afford to just make stuff up completely in a matter of such national interest.
Nothing is confirmed yet. Officially, Goretzka has not made a final decision and has not informed Schalke about it.
Neither had to sell, the players forced those moves.
I was just curious as they said about Vidal to Chelsea. Thanks for the info.
Don't think they have something too reliable on Vidal to Chelsea. But I think it's fairly certain Conte was and still is interested in bringing Vidal to Chelsea and if Goretzka comes to Bayern we might very well let Vidal leave.
Keita's sale is connected to his exit clause in summer 2018. Liverpool paid extra money on top of his exit fee to Leipzig to negotiate an early agreement with them, to secure his move in advance. Leipzig would have had no possibility of keeping Keita anyway, they'd simply gotten less money.
I’m aware, I just mean the clause meant they had to sell him when he wanted out, not that they are a selling club. It’s no difference to Figo leaving Barca for Real, is my point.
This ship has sailed. When Bayern are after germans, pining for them does more harm than good
Certainly not 'respectable', but virtually always right on Bayern stuff.
And yet City managed to get Sane. It’s not that simple. While we obviously have an advantage, we are not invincible on the German market. These deals also take a lot of work. We are in contact with Goretzka for years. We already wanted him before he went to Schalke. It’s not like he just decided to come to us because we called once. We’re basically working on this deal for more than five years.
Nobody prevents teams from other countries from contacting those players sooner.
The rest of your post was, probably, on point; I don't know the inner workings of Bundesliga.
But, Sane is an outlier. City already had Gündogan & de Bruyne, both ex-Bundesliga players. And Pep had already worked there. So, it was an easier decision.
It's funny that you name de Bruyne and Gündogan, since those two are also examples for Bundesliga players Bayern wanted to sign (on their terms), but couldn't.
After letting Kroos go, de Bruyne is our second largest failing in recent years imo (disregarding Sanches, whom we did get).
Pep is definitively a factor in the decision. He has huge appeal to players. But I still think the point stands. Barca, Real, United and so on are all attractive clubs and I think they can beat us, they just have to put in more work. This Goretzka thing is not an outlier. We often remain in contact with players over many years. Brandt would be another example.
Once those players leave, it’s just natural for them to chose the club who wanted them for years over some other club who just started to get interested.
My original point was regarding German nationals. Gündogan wasn't bought by Bayern because of his injury record. And de Bruyne wanted to go back to the Prem. If a German player wants to go to Bayern and if Bayern want him, it is a no go.
Other clubs don't matter. Real, Barça, Pool, City etc. don't matter. United shouldn't try to pursue these lost causes as we don't have the same links as others
I think I've never even seen highlights of this guy. What's all the fuss about?
According to RN Bayern wanted Gündogan to do what Goretzka just did and (threaten to) run down his contract. Which the player didn't want.
and regarding de Bruyne:
"Kevin's heart was beating for the Bundesliga, where he broke through at Bremen and became a star at Wolfsburg," De Koster toldSportFootMagazine.
"I'm convinced he would have played for Bayern if they had been able to pay the asking price."
It's pretty simple: if a player only wants to stay in Bundesliga, Bayern usually find a way to get him (unless he's a young lad who sees better opportunities for development at a club like Dortmund or nowadays Leipzig). If he's open to playing abroad though there is a very good chance for other clubs to outbid Bayern, who are very focused on "value" when signing players.
At the moment people basically regard him as Ballack's reincarnation.
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As far as I can see, the reporting evidence suggests we had agreed personal terms with De Bruyne, who absolutely was ready to join us, yet we decided to be stingy about the requested transfer fee. Similar with Sané. That's a bit different than wanting and not getting. Of course, you could also say we were priced out, or we miscalculated by taking players for granted.
I still am highly suspicious of the role Pep played during this time, as he without a doubt had double loyalties at that point.
Not that this is a discussion that will get us anywhere.
In any case, I don't see the Goretzka transfer as a game changer in any sense, for the club that gets him or the clubs that don't get him.
Promising player whom I like very much, but not like he's been some kind of standout performer in world football so far.
I also find that many Bayern fans have started to be a bit too cavalier about giving a player like Vidal away. He's had inconsistent seasons for us, no doubt (whether due to personal discipline as the gossip suggests, which I strongly doubt, or due to fitness issues connected with his exhausting Chile NT adventures in summers), but he has turned up after the winter break and on form his performances have a level that a player like Goretzka frankly still only dreams of ever reaching.
Not saying that it might not be ok to do a change of guards. But you know, Vidal is one of a kind.
This is my muppet signing. feck Bayern anyway with their one horse league monopoly.
He's not a fancy highlights player.
One of the best midfield prospects in the world, a box-to-box animal. Very comparable to Ballack, with the exception of having better shooting.
Better shooting than Ballack?!
True, Bayern is like City in the PL.
We need someone like Goretzka and Dybala to close the gap.
I still don't see the Dybala fuss! Hope you're right and I'm proving wrong though.
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