A lot, otherwise Suleymana would've been a multiple times Ballon d'Or winner.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Spot on. Not worried at all about him.
Meh it happens. Every defender at some point has been absolutely rinsed by a defender. I remember Luton Shelton (RIP) giving giving Heinze a torrid time
Really bad game. I’ve noticed in previous matches as well that he doesn’t stay really close to his opponents, but I think this is an area where he will develop.
I don’t think speed is an issue. The winger timed the start of his runs exceptionally well and got ahead of Yoro, then cut in to block Yoro and kept him away physically. This is also skills he will develop. More worrying that he got dribbled so many times.
Overall a very bad performance and then Amad as wing back and that side was leaking. Add to that all the problems Martinez had on the other side and both him and deLigt were fully occupied with Dibling. When Dibling got injured the intensity of their attack slowed down quite a bit.
I don’t think speed is an issue. The winger timed the start of his runs exceptionally well and got ahead of Yoro, then cut in to block Yoro and kept him away physically. This is also skills he will develop. More worrying that he got dribbled so many times.
Overall a very bad performance and then Amad as wing back and that side was leaking. Add to that all the problems Martinez had on the other side and both him and deLigt were fully occupied with Dibling. When Dibling got injured the intensity of their attack slowed down quite a bit.
After the Arsenal game, he gets toasted. It can only be good for him. He now knows that there are levels, and there are even more levels. He at least won't get too bigheaded after this roasting.
Will just need to keep his head down, pay attention to his coaches, videos, and learn.
Will just need to keep his head down, pay attention to his coaches, videos, and learn.
He's had a poor start to his United career. Didn't really buy into the 'massive' performance against Liverpool.
He's looked weak aerially and lets his man get away from him too often. Obviously he's young and it will be a good learning experience for him but at the minute I'd rather see De Ligt, Maguire and Martinez starting regularly over him.
He's looked weak aerially and lets his man get away from him too often. Obviously he's young and it will be a good learning experience for him but at the minute I'd rather see De Ligt, Maguire and Martinez starting regularly over him.
They are starting regularly over him. Yoro started because Maguire looked like he was fit to drop when he came off v Arsenal
Not worried about him but he spent that game defending with the distance AWB used to give players, just without the slide tackle to follow up.
Lost 5 out of 6 duels. And he wasn't exactly up against Mbappe. You cannot take anyone for granted in football. Worrying that he was so easily beaten for pace and skill. And you could see that it really shocked him because he was telling himself off. He lost his confidence on the ball and was in a hurry to get rid of it.
He we learn a lot from that experience, and they will be working on it now.
He we learn a lot from that experience, and they will be working on it now.
Other than individual moments like the tackle on Nunez, he's largely been shite and results with him in the team reflect it. I'm sure they'll work on him though as he has all the attributes needed but shouldn't be starting currently unless we're desperate
He kept making the mistake squaring himself up and trying to win the ball against Suleymana instead of just shadowing him. Suleymana isn't a great dribbler, so if he jockeyed he would have had opportunities to win the ball.
That said, I'm not worried about him. Every CB gets cooked. Even Ramos when he was 19 at Sevilla
That said, I'm not worried about him. Every CB gets cooked. Even Ramos when he was 19 at Sevilla
Every defender was 19 once. One to learn from.
Hopefully it was a learning experience for him - and for Ruben. Playing against a faster and technically gifted player is hard for all defenders. Especially if you've got no backup. Get back on the horse and go again.
I think he was left a bit exposed with Nous being on the left, he's one for the future, I have no major doubts about him, he still has a lot to learn.
He will be fine. He will learn how to defend faster wingers.
I guess something to note is that he’s a centre back by trade and playing in the centre of a back four is a completely different ask to playing on the right of a back three.
In the right of a back three you are sharing fullback responsibilities with the RWB and as we saw last night that’s not where his strengths lie.
In the right of a back three you are sharing fullback responsibilities with the RWB and as we saw last night that’s not where his strengths lie.
Exactly this. It is good for a young man who has probably heard how talented he is, how good he will be to be humbled.
He has seen the levels he needs to get to because this is the PL, you cannot casually stroll around, every bit of defending needs 100% commitment.
Looks a bit gangly and awkward to me. Reminds me a bit of Wan Bissaka but not as good 1v1.
He is young though so willing to give him time. I'd be lying if I saud I didn't have concerns though.
He is young though so willing to give him time. I'd be lying if I saud I didn't have concerns though.
Yeah I was making this point in the match day thread. And not to mention the RWB playing there last night isn't a natural defender so it was even harder for him.
I'm not worried at all. He's shown plenty of signs of promise. Bad games happen.
The kid will be fine. Just a welcoming to the Premier League by the worst side on the table, that Sulemana guy destroyed him time after time, shades of Lennon vs Evra this one.
I think its essential he has Maz next to him when he plays that role.
Poor performance defensively and not been impressed with him defensively in the games he has played.
Is it just another classy looking defender on the ball who cant defend or is it just an off night. Time will tell, but concerns are there.
Is it just another classy looking defender on the ball who cant defend or is it just an off night. Time will tell, but concerns are there.
Knew nothing about him before he came and he will
Come up against players like that often here.
It may be unfounded worry but that was a run around he was given. I can’t really remember seeing a defender get so consistently taken apart.
Very poor from him , hopefully he’ll learn from it
Thats a strange logic. You're worried cause you havent heard of him.
Also by perfect Redcafe logic some users are now saying his defending is not good which isnt true, whenever he played he was decent to solid and a good ball isn't the only quality he has. But one bad game and suddenly you're a Sunday league player.
Gvardiol got schooled by Messi in the wold cup, didnt stop him being a great defender that he is.
Don’t have any real knowledge of the current French league so not sure what got him his reputation there, never even heard his name mentioned before we moved for him. Usually on a bad performance when you know some previous of the player you can rationale the performance by referring back to more positive performances. Can’t do that with Yoro and my logic is telling me he struggled against a player who has not exactly been setting the world on fire.
Messi taking anybody apart is to be pretty much expected - Sulemana is not Messi so your logic is a bit flawed there.
Anyway not about to go chucking the towel in on the young lad it was just a bit concerning seeing him get beat comfortably by the same sequence a few times. As others have said it will keep him focused.
He seems a smart lad. He'll learn from this lesson. Amorim is doing a great job of not rushing him, and fortunately this season we're not as affected from injuries as the last one (surely got to do with Ten Hag and his training sessions, as well as lack of rotation). He'll slowly adapt and become an important face of United, I am sure!
Its not a flawed logic cause my logic is any young player can get schooled like that and it doesnt mean he's suddenly bad or not a big talent. Messi or no Messi. Anyway, its was just a bad game for a teenager, people seem to be forgetting his age.
You realize my comment was on Sulemana right?
His name isn't Lindelof as well, you forgot that point.
Let’s hope it was an isolated event, but that’s where the weaknesses of the 3-4-2-1 come to light.
As soon as Amad stepped up, the Soton player just slotted himself into that space and knew he had the run on an isolated Yoro.
Their setup was considerate of us and had an answer everything we had to offer and that left a bitter taste last night, as we fell short over the course of the game and thankfully had Amad to come up with the goods when Saints lost their heads after tiring.
As soon as Amad stepped up, the Soton player just slotted himself into that space and knew he had the run on an isolated Yoro.
Their setup was considerate of us and had an answer everything we had to offer and that left a bitter taste last night, as we fell short over the course of the game and thankfully had Amad to come up with the goods when Saints lost their heads after tiring.
Rio at that age also made mistakes at West Ham and Leeds. It's part of the learning process. He's intelligent enough.
He just never got his distances right, maybe he kept underestimating how quick the lad was.
Something to work on
Something to work on
He has plenty of time, and I never said he was bad or not a talent. It was concerns with him adapting to this league.
Yes most teenage defenders do, a case of taking last night as learning experience and show improvement in his next start.
Sadly he got annihilated.
Made the error of backing his pace against Sulemana. He needed to get tight like De Ligt. That game will be far more beneficial than an easy game.
Made the error of backing his pace against Sulemana. He needed to get tight like De Ligt. That game will be far more beneficial than an easy game.
Was left exposed and run ragged the other night.
As a defender you should never go too tight and get involved in a foot race against someone much faster than you..
If you do go tight against an opponent (which i think he was instructed to do) you have to be aggressive. see de ligt the last five minutes.
Young and learning.
Early days.
As a defender you should never go too tight and get involved in a foot race against someone much faster than you..
If you do go tight against an opponent (which i think he was instructed to do) you have to be aggressive. see de ligt the last five minutes.
Young and learning.
Early days.
Absolutely, when a defender gets roasted as many times as he was then you need to give him more protection. Personally I think Amorim was either happy for him to take it as a learning experience or he should have helped him more.
Could have swapped him positional with DeLigt for 20mins or instructed the WB to drop back more.
Had a torrid game and lost pretty much every time he was 1v1 but he'll learn from it - he's 19 and there's going to be growing pains but he still ticks every box in what you'd want from a CB. Crucially as well I don't think his head dropped at all, wasn't really making mistakes that looked like his confidence had been shaken, just poor strategy in terms of how to combat Sulemana's tricky and pace.
I'd expect he'll shrug this off and learn from it rather than dwell on the performance and let it knock his confidence. But still, something to be wary of and he might not be ready to stat week-in, week-out it seems. Probably should be rotated in and play maybe around 35-45% of minutes with De Ligt at RCB and Maguire in the middle for bigger occasions.
I'd expect he'll shrug this off and learn from it rather than dwell on the performance and let it knock his confidence. But still, something to be wary of and he might not be ready to stat week-in, week-out it seems. Probably should be rotated in and play maybe around 35-45% of minutes with De Ligt at RCB and Maguire in the middle for bigger occasions.