I reckon United thinking being Evra not having long left at current level, woth Baines having 2-3 seasons longer than Evra.
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I reckon United thinking being Evra not having long left at current level, woth Baines having 2-3 seasons longer than Evra.
He is not playing for Hackney Marshes FC though. He is a professional football player, playing for a big-ish club in the premiership, so there is pressure.
Vast majority of players we buy have no experience of the pressure of playing for a top club like United.
It makes sense to a degree if we aren't paying over the odds -he's potentially an upgrade but Evra isn't a liability for me, is experienced and seems a big influence in the squad - vice captain isn't it he?
Could be in the same boat in a couple of years given Baines age as well - any deal would make more sense if Baines was 23/24
But the majority of players we buy are young so that is to be expected. If we look on the past few years the only players we have signed that were older than 25 were Young, RVP and Berbatov. From them only the player who had experience in a top club would qualify as a success.
As I said, if we were talking about a young player (Luke Shaw for example) no-one would care that he don't have experience in top level. But things are different for a soon to be 29 years old player.
If Baines plays anything tonight he will be cup tied for Carling Cup for us.
I'd prefer Shaw personally, if we are keeping Evra which we are. Baines would be a decent signing, but I have an awful feeling we'd see Baines and Evra play a lot of matches together as lb and lw.
The two of them together on the left wing wouldn't be bad. Certainly better than what Young or Welbeck offer from the left wing.
Does that include the flute?
If we sign him, I doubt if he would play in the Carling match's, hopefully Moyes would still use the youngsters in this comp.
Good Lord, this is all very disconcerting. Does our summer transfer activity amount to chasing a left full back that we don't need...?
This story had gone quiet, and seeing as he supposedly asked at the start of pre-season
My guess is the agent is trying to keep this in the news or force it through
My guess is the agent is trying to keep this in the news or force it through
Imagine Ronaldo, Baines and Fellaini on the final day....
Shaw is a good prospect, but how many of those have we seen who have not lived up to their original billing? You pick on a couple of underperforming established signings as justification for not signing anyone else over 25. Have you considered the list of young prospects we have had who haven't produced either? We can then use them as a justification for not signing any more youngsters!
Baines is in his prime and producing the goods week in week out, and has been for at least 2 seasons. You cannot reasonably compare the logic of spending money on Shaw, to spending it on Baines. Baines is established and the finished article, and the argument - whether you agree or not - is that he would improve us right now. Would Shaw? No is the answer, and while he may be great in a few years, that still remains to be seen. Spending money on him now may be a good investment for the future, but he could just as easily be another Wayne Bridge. Proven quality should never be written off in favour of potential.
Everyone whines at our lack of quality service to the strikers, and yet here we have Baines who is as reliable and consistent a first time crosser of the ball as there is in the PL. Yet many don't seem to want to increase our productivity on the left, in favour of keeping Evra who is now 32 and can't cross a ball first time- or even after a touch- if his life depended on it. 4 or 5 great opportunities against Chelsea to put in an early ball while the space was there, and every time he took a touch and then delivered a poor ball. He gets space like that all the time, and we have to do more with it. In big games that kind of space has to be capitalized on far more, better quality from those opportunities could easily have proved the difference in winning and drawing.
I don't really care whether we sign Baines or not, but I don't doubt he would improve our quality in the final third, and I personally don't give a feck how much the Glazers have to pay to get any player, that's just not a consideration for me, and I don't know why so many posters get so pissed off when they think we are overpaying. If they produce the goods, they are well worth the money. If they are shite, they are a waste of money whatever we spend on them. Look at Bebe, biggest waste of money you can imagine. Contributed feck all since his time here, yet apparently it seems worth taking similar punts on potential, rather than buying someone who is already proven they have the quality. Bizarre logic in my view.
Shaw is a good prospect, but how many of those have we seen who have not lived up to their original billing? You pick on a couple of underperforming established signings as justification for not signing anyone else over 25. Have you considered the list of young prospects we have had who haven't produced either? We can then use them as a justification for not signing any more youngsters!
Baines is in his prime and producing the goods week in week out, and has been for at least 2 seasons. You cannot reasonably compare the logic of spending money on Shaw, to spending it on Baines. Baines is established and the finished article, and the argument - whether you agree or not - is that he would improve us right now. Would Shaw? No is the answer, and while he may be great in a few years, that still remains to be seen. Spending money on him now may be a good investment for the future, but he could just as easily be another Wayne Bridge. Proven quality should never be written off in favour of potential.
Everyone whines at our lack of quality service to the strikers, and yet here we have Baines who is as reliable and consistent a first time crosser of the ball as there is in the PL. Yet many don't seem to want to increase our productivity on the left, in favour of keeping Evra who is now 32 and can't cross a ball first time- or even after a touch- if his life depended on it. 4 or 5 great opportunities against Chelsea to put in an early ball while the space was there, and every time he took a touch and then delivered a poor ball. He gets space like that all the time, and we have to do more with it. In big games that kind of space has to be capitalized on far more, better quality from those opportunities could easily have proved the difference in winning and drawing.
I don't really care whether we sign Baines or not, but I don't doubt he would improve our quality in the final third, and I personally don't give a feck how much the Glazers have to pay to get any player, that's just not a consideration for me, and I don't know why so many posters get so pissed off when they think we are overpaying. If they produce the goods, they are well worth the money. If they are shite, they are a waste of money whatever we spend on them. Look at Bebe, biggest waste of money you can imagine. Contributed feck all since his time here, yet apparently it seems worth taking similar punts on potential, rather than buying someone who is already proven they have the quality. Bizarre logic in my view.
I think you have misunderstood me. I never said we shouldn't sign players over 25, just that in case we want to go for more senior (older) players then those players should also have experience in the highest level (which Baines doesn't have). It is normal if we sign a young players without experience because that is how you expect anyway, but if we go for players that are nearing the latest stage of their career, then I think they should have experience in the highest level.
I also don't rate Baines as much as you seem to rate. Defensively I think he is worse than Evra, as is his general game. His crossing is obviously much better but that is only his advantage. For the years he will give us, price (regardless what you say price is very important cause we have limited money and we will get stuck with him regardless of success, we all know that we don't have the City/Chelsea money to sign another one next year if this signing isn't successful), his lack of experience in Europe, him not being an upgrade on Evra and losing the Evra because of him, I don't think that he's worth it. Especially considering that I think Fabio can be a start and a better player than Baines if we give him the chance. It looks like the club/Moyes thinks otherwise, hopefully they're right.
On Evra, he seems to have immense stamina and could be another Cafu or Zanetti, getting up and down the pitch until his late 30's. So he could have a good few years left with United.
On Shaw, he should stay at Soton for another year or two, may choose to join someone else when he moves, or may not develop as well as some hope. So there is a good chance that he is not the short term or long term answer at left back.
On Fabio, he is right footed and that is sufficient reason why he is unlikely to be a future best-in-league left back and the successor to Evra. He is better at right back.
On Baines, I think he is better than Evra now and he probably will be first choice if he comes.
On Shaw, he should stay at Soton for another year or two, may choose to join someone else when he moves, or may not develop as well as some hope. So there is a good chance that he is not the short term or long term answer at left back.
On Fabio, he is right footed and that is sufficient reason why he is unlikely to be a future best-in-league left back and the successor to Evra. He is better at right back.
On Baines, I think he is better than Evra now and he probably will be first choice if he comes.
The only thing you got right in the first one about Evra.
That's better - say what you mean don't feck about.
Imagine Ronaldo, Baines and Fellaini on the final day....
we'll probably offer 50m for that.
16 million on a 29 year old who isn't a significant improvement on the player we have
Possibly upsetting the balance of a happy and successful dressing room - Evra is a key squad member - this is very different to the Heinze situation
It's a bit short sighted from the club, a bit like RVP. I suppose as long as the money is there we should be able to spend without thinking about value or resale. Rotation will be the key if we bring him in
I hope Moyes handles it well - Evra deserves respect and is definitely not ready to be moved out of Old Trafford
Possibly upsetting the balance of a happy and successful dressing room - Evra is a key squad member - this is very different to the Heinze situation
It's a bit short sighted from the club, a bit like RVP. I suppose as long as the money is there we should be able to spend without thinking about value or resale. Rotation will be the key if we bring him in
I hope Moyes handles it well - Evra deserves respect and is definitely not ready to be moved out of Old Trafford
Rvp signing was short sighted?
IF he comes I think people will be pleasantly surprised by his performances
Purely in the respect of his age
Do you remember the don't buy players over 26 rule we seemed to have - think Berbatov was the exception during the 'value' years
Utterly pointless transfer.
It's also a bit shit for Evra, who has made a very good start to the season - and still we're looking for a replacement.
It's also a bit shit for Evra, who has made a very good start to the season - and still we're looking for a replacement.
I don't think anyone is expecting him to not be good here though, it's the fact that there's no need for him and that it'd mean dropping Evra. if we're looking to spend 15m+ on a left sided player, it should be a winger.
One of the most pointless signings I can remember, honestly could not give the tiniest shiny shite if we sign him or not.
Shaw looks class from what little I've seen of him.
What about Clyne? Have read he can play both fullback positions. He too looks a future standout player.
Why are people assuming we'd get Shaw on the cheap?
This, sort of. I would give a shit if we signed him. Utterly pointless and a waste of fecking money
No idea, it would take at least £25m+ for Southampton to at least consider it. They have no reason whatsoever to sell.
No please. A typical overrated English player, I don't think that he'll become even as good as Walker.
Except for money.
It's not a waste of money if Evra plans to leave at the end of the year.
It would mean we have a good quality replacement ready to step in when he goes. There really aren't that many good left-backs out there & Baines is one of the best.
I don't see a downside to him signing for us.
Given how they've spent this summer, money isnt really something they desperately need. Specially for someone like Shaw who's worth will just keep going up with time.
When he places an excellent delivery onto Rooney's head to score people will see the light.
He'll be 30 next season (in December) when Evra leaves. We then should start looking for a replacement of Baines
No they don't need the money, least not how much anyone aside the City or Chelsea would offer in the league.