Evra, Baines, Fabio and Buttner is much more than simply depth.
We're going to have more left backs than midfielders the next season.
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Evra, Baines, Fabio and Buttner is much more than simply depth.
We're going to have more left backs than midfielders the next season.
Evra and Baines alone is overkill. It won't last long if it happens. But then, Moyes may be looking for competition this year, assuming Evra will be gone in a year anyway.
Really? Would people really say so if we weren't linked with him. And how strange that for the best left back in Europe (by default world) there is interested only one club and how the best left back in Europe is playing for Everton, not for one of the European giants.
I don't think that anyone believes that to be fair, not even Baines. It's just that we should overrate anyone we are linked with.
Don't try and be patronising - and capitalising 'Depth' and 'Competition' makes you look thick rather than adding emphasis.
He's not the best left back in Europe, but he's probably the best in England.
Hard to see past Alaba for best left back in Europe
If we get him.. play both him and Evra on the left side.
well done mateI can't think of a less exciting/necessary signing. I'd much rather we sign no one than sign Baines. What could possibly be the point in having both Evra and Baines in the same team?
Yeah I meant QPR.
Are you suggesting QPR played Fabio even when he had niggling injuries? That's some serious shit to enforce your point. Dont you think Fabio would have refused to do it?
Anyways, my point isnt that it would ruin fabio's career, what I was saying was in response to a poster saying Baines and Evra would allow us to rest them and keep them fresh. Its too expensive for that to be the case.
Anyways, if baines comes, I see him taking over the LB slot from Evra, as much as I love Evra, Baines's quality in delivery will tilt things heavily in his favor.
On the bench tonight, probably to be expected anyway.
Buttner will be sold/loaned. Fabio will cover his brother as a right back. We currently have 1 real RB to cover Rafael and he'll probably end up on loan to Boca Juniors.
I said probably. Should have added "one of" 
Alaba at Bayern is supposed to be good but he doesn't want to play LB. Coentrao, Marcelo, Alba, Evra, Baines, Cole are the top left backs in Europe unless I am missing someone. We already have one of the best, no point in adding another.
Alaba at Bayern is supposed to be good but he doesn't want to play LB. Coentrao, Marcelo, Alba, Evra, Baines, Cole are the top left backs in Europe unless I am missing someone. We already have one of the best, no point in adding another.
My thoughts too. If Evra was on his way back to Monaco or wherever, I'd be happy with Baines, but I'd pick Paddy in the left back spot over Baines any day.
Yeah, not surprising but will probably garner media attention from the like of the Daily Mail/Star.
You shouldn't be shocked. I can make a list of young players who were played even when they weren't fit and which ended up hindering/ruining their career. Hargreaves and Owen are two of them and they were players playing with much bigger clubs then QPR. Add to the fact that Fabio was an on loan player playing at a club who was fighting not to get relegated and the stakes get even higher.
Also Fabio is young. At that age its hard to keep the player on the bench rather then play. On one hand the manager got a young player eager to play every single game to prove his manager his worth. On the other hand the team is in shambles and is risking relegation and a potential financial meltdown. The temptation at that stage is real.
I believe that if we get Baines he'll be a first teamer. He'll rotate with Baines with the latter playing the major games. Baines signing will allow us time to assess Fabio in his natural role (rb)+ it will give Buttner and Varela the 1 year first team football they need (on loan). Under such circumstances I wont be surprised if Evra ends up leaving next year which will leave Buttner, Fabio and Varela competing with one another to compete as first team cover for Baines and Rafael.
Is there any proof for this or are you just basing it on conjuncture? Because really, I find it tough to believe that Fabio would have continued to play with niggles thus risking his future specially when he was on loan at another club. I understand why you think its probable, just that I dont buy it.
The rest of your post, well, it fits if Evra is leaving next season but then we'l find it tough to keep them both happy this year and with Evra marginalized this year, we wont get good value for him which costs us millions. Doesnt make sense
This a WC year and Evra isn't assured to be part of the french squad never mind be a starter. If Baines arrives I expect Evra to leave this window and if not surely by the winter window. That is if he has real ambitions for the WC.
Lets say I consider the fact that Fabio was able to play a lot more minutes then in previous years as wishful thinking. I hope I am wrong though. Fabio has great potential and it would be a shame if his career is damaged because he's injury prone. Anyway we still need a quality cover for Rafael. Jones is not a natural RB.
Honestly I cant see Evra staying beyond next year.
I'm with Al. Why not wait for Shaw in a year or two's time when Evra's finished or give the very talented Fabio a run?
Absolutely no need for him if we plan on keeping Evra. I rate Baines higher but we're better off spending the money on a midfielder.feck off Baines stay at Everton.
I'm with Al. Why not wait for Shaw in a year or two's time when Evra's finished or give the very talented Fabio a run?
There is still money to buy one and two midfielders in addition to Baines.
I'm with Al. Why not wait for Shaw in a year or two's time when Evra's finished or give the very talented Fabio a run?
Let's be honest, the money we don't spend this Summer will be reabsorbed into the club, and it won't be saved for next season. If we can get a good left back for a reasonable price (12-15m), then it's not a big deal. We might not need him that much, but we're not spending big bucks anyway, and if that makes Moyes happier about the squad, then I don't see the big problem.
And believe me, even if we don't sign Baines, we're still not signing Ozil.
Betting suspended means jack shit nowadays.
Of course they'll say that. We need to make a bid, and fecking hurry up about it.
Has Baines been tested properly at the top level?
Few games for England and facing Lennon/Valencia/Nani aside
Id be more in favour that we start looking for Evras eventual replacement for next summer
Few games for England and facing Lennon/Valencia/Nani aside
Id be more in favour that we start looking for Evras eventual replacement for next summer
But what about Tibs?
What is thetop level, if it is not playing against the likes of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal?
I think when playing in the champions league you are operating on a different plane on a tactical level - you mention some good sides there though I think in Evra we have a player who has been to World Cups, played in CL later stages with Monaco and United
So we should only buy players with CL experience?
That small competition called Champions League. Also the World Cup.
We play far more games vs top level opposition domestically during a season than in the CL.
Obviously not
I'm just pointing out that it is significant and that Evra is more experienced at playing in those pressure situations chasing titles at the top level
Yep, but if we sign an expensive player who is in his peak and is 28-29 years old surely it would be good to have Champions League experience. No on would have suggested that Shaw should had UCL experience in order to sign him, cause he's young and can only become better and learn from his mistakes. Baines on the other side is relatively old for a signing and likely will only have 5 or less years with us, so in these kind of signings I think that UCL experience should be a must.
yeah, the group stages of the champions league tends to be a lower level than games against the top 6 in the PL
It's romanticism to think that just by playing a game in the CL or a world cup, you have experience of playing vs top class opposition.
Has Baines though?
Everton and Baines were never under the same pressure to win against top opposition as us playing 3 games a week in the run in of a title challenge